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Post by thehightenor on Oct 19, 2022 16:30:49 GMT -6
So, based on everyone's feedback & additions, here is an updated list of current 250/251's (clones, types, etc - 20) being made (some I've never heard of): 3U Warbler AA ADK Bock (now UAD) BSA FleA GAP Heiserman JJ Lawson
Mojave 1000 OPR Pearlman Peluso 22 251 Roswell Colares Stam Studio 39 Telefunken Upton Warm
I wish Mike at Wunder would make one, based on my CM7 and the Wunder CM49 I've heard, I imagine it would be truly amazing. |
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Post by wiz on Oct 19, 2022 16:59:18 GMT -6
So, based on everyone's feedback & additions, here is an updated list of current 250/251's (clones, types, etc - 20) being made (some I've never heard of): 3U Warbler AA ADK Bock (now UAD) BSA FleA GAP Heiserman JJ Lawson
Mojave 1000 OPR Pearlman Peluso 22 251 Roswell Colares Stam Studio 39 Telefunken Upton Warm
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Post by drbill on Oct 19, 2022 17:59:04 GMT -6
There's only a few that slavishly follow the look though and for me that says a lot about the overall dedication to a great product. Cheers, Ross I get that an honestly I kind of agree, but metal work is one of the most expensive components, so if a manufacturer decides to save some coin by using the same bodies for a bunch of products I get that as well. I think more than metalwork, the actual mechanical aspect of the insides of the mic(s) are equally if not more difficult. From what I've seen, only the Heiserman H251 is going for a 1:1 perfect clone of all aspects of the mic from the internal layout, plates, screws, connectors, etc.. At least that's my understanding. There may be other companies attempting this type of recreation, but I'm not aware of them. Is the Tele or Flea a literal internal clone in those respects? Could be. Most are "sounds like" clones. Attachments:
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Post by ericn on Oct 19, 2022 18:15:21 GMT -6
I get that an honestly I kind of agree, but metal work is one of the most expensive components, so if a manufacturer decides to save some coin by using the same bodies for a bunch of products I get that as well. I think more than metalwork, the actual mechanical aspect of the insides of the mic(s) are equally if not more difficult. From what I've seen, only the Heiserman H251 is going for a 1:1 perfect clone of all aspects of the mic from the internal layout, plates, screws, connectors, etc.. At least that's my understanding. There may be other companies attempting this type of recreation, but I'm not aware of them. Is the Tele or Flea a literal internal clone in those respects? Could be. Most are "sounds like" clones. Tele I believe went for historically correct, Flea always tries for close but always makes some changes for cost. |
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Post by OtisGreying on Oct 19, 2022 18:18:08 GMT -6
I get that an honestly I kind of agree, but metal work is one of the most expensive components, so if a manufacturer decides to save some coin by using the same bodies for a bunch of products I get that as well. I think more than metalwork, the actual mechanical aspect of the insides of the mic(s) are equally if not more difficult. From what I've seen, only the Heiserman H251 is going for a 1:1 perfect clone of all aspects of the mic from the internal layout, plates, screws, connectors, etc.. At least that's my understanding. There may be other companies attempting this type of recreation, but I'm not aware of them. Is the Tele or Flea a literal internal clone in those respects? Could be. Most are "sounds like" clones. Flea as sound like clones? As far as I can tell Flea is one of the companies that have gone farthest to match internals of great microphones to a tee. The Heiserman 47 tube that you have has a completely different tube in it than a traditional 47. Also the Serrano 84 wasn’t to your liking because of its external design not matching the original... just trying to understand what exactly it is you’re trying to say other than you really, really like Heiserman |
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Post by ragan on Oct 19, 2022 18:50:32 GMT -6
So, based on everyone's feedback & additions, here is an updated list of current 250/251's (clones, types, etc - 20) being made (some I've never heard of): 3U Warbler AA ADK Bock (now UAD) BSA FleA GAP Heiserman JJ Lawson
Mojave 1000 OPR Pearlman Peluso 22 251 Roswell Colares Stam Studio 39 Telefunken Upton Warm
Which Warbler model? MKIV(D) would be the one that's voiced similarly to a 251, though it's not in any way marketed as a clone. Nice mic though. |
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Post by timcampbell on Oct 19, 2022 20:15:48 GMT -6
I think more than metalwork, the actual mechanical aspect of the insides of the mic(s) are equally if not more difficult. From what I've seen, only the Heiserman H251 is going for a 1:1 perfect clone of all aspects of the mic from the internal layout, plates, screws, connectors, etc.. At least that's my understanding. There may be other companies attempting this type of recreation, but I'm not aware of them. Is the Tele or Flea a literal internal clone in those respects? Could be. Most are "sounds like" clones. Tele I believe went for historically correct, Flea always tries for close but always makes some changes for cost. The FLEA is an exact copy and so is the Tele. I believe the GAP is an exact copy but I can't remember if it is in China or Lithuania they are doing their bodies. |
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Post by drbill on Oct 19, 2022 21:04:00 GMT -6
I think more than metalwork, the actual mechanical aspect of the insides of the mic(s) are equally if not more difficult. From what I've seen, only the Heiserman H251 is going for a 1:1 perfect clone of all aspects of the mic from the internal layout, plates, screws, connectors, etc.. At least that's my understanding. There may be other companies attempting this type of recreation, but I'm not aware of them. Is the Tele or Flea a literal internal clone in those respects? Could be. Most are "sounds like" clones. Flea as sound like clones? As far as I can tell Flea is one of the companies that have gone farthest to match internals of great microphones to a tee. The Heiserman 47 tube that you have has a completely different tube in it than a traditional 47. Also the Serrano 84 wasn’t to your liking because of its external design not matching the original... just trying to understand what exactly it is you’re trying to say other than you really, really like Heiserman Respectfully, maybe re-read what I posted again? I know the H47 is not an identical clone. My comment was directed towards 251's not 47's. I've been told that the H251 will be an identical 1:1 clone with great emphasis to the mechanics of the design and thought it germane to the subject since we were discussing over a dozen 251 inspired mics. As for the Serrano, I really, really liked the 87, and love the company. I thought the 87 was very good and said so. The 84 was not as much of a bullseye for me as I have several of my own, and am head over heels in love with what they do. Not sure why were are even discussing these on a 251 thread. My comment was not directed specifically towards Flea, and was not intended to be disparaging to Flea or any of the mics - it was a general comment towards the long list of 251 "clones" that aremos posted - many of which I would define as "sound-alikes" with obviously widely varying pricing. I did mention that Flea and Telefunken may be going for that 1:1 clone on the internals as I am not intimately aware of them. As for any mic that labels itself as a 87, 67, 47, 251, 49, 84, 54, etc. mic - I'd say the gloves come off if you want to play in that sandbox. Otherwise, call it a great mic and give it a new name.  . But we all know that will not happen much in this market. Hope that clears things up. I've got nothing against Flea or Serrano (hope to have 3 or so of the Serrano 87's at some point) and I'd love to have any of the other mentioned mics - virtually all of which I'd be proud to own. Cheers, |
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Post by drbill on Oct 19, 2022 21:04:57 GMT -6
I think more than metalwork, the actual mechanical aspect of the insides of the mic(s) are equally if not more difficult. From what I've seen, only the Heiserman H251 is going for a 1:1 perfect clone of all aspects of the mic from the internal layout, plates, screws, connectors, etc.. At least that's my understanding. There may be other companies attempting this type of recreation, but I'm not aware of them. Is the Tele or Flea a literal internal clone in those respects? Could be. Most are "sounds like" clones. Tele I believe went for historically correct, Flea always tries for close but always makes some changes for cost. Thanks for edjumakatin' me on the Tele & Flea Eric. |
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Post by drbill on Oct 19, 2022 21:06:00 GMT -6
Tele I believe went for historically correct, Flea always tries for close but always makes some changes for cost. The FLEA is an exact copy and so is the Tele. I believe the GAP is an exact copy but I can't remember if it is in China or Lithuania they are doing their bodies. Thanks for the info Tim! Appreciated. Are you speaking of the internal mechanical build as well - or electronically? Appreciate the info. |
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Post by winterland on Oct 19, 2022 21:21:53 GMT -6
I would put the Stam SA-251 in there too. Tim Campbell capsule also. I have one with another coming. I have been very happy with it. Will be A/Bing soon to a Telefunken USA and possibly a vintage Telefunken 251. How long did it take you to receive it from the date you put the order in? My issue with anything STAM is my inability to wait one or two years for a product to arrive - I struggle with next day delivery I understand the feeling. I was out of lip balm last night and ordered a 4 pack on Amazon and it was delivered today before noon. The Stam SA-251 I have came fairly fast as it was in stock at the time. Less than a week. I think it was an extra stock after all the pre orders were delivered. I have waited about 90 days for the other one in process which supposedly is the last run. Was told possibly shipping next week. Will be nice to have a pair. Overheads, room mics, choirs, piano etc. Keep an eye out, maybe they will have some extras after orders are sent out. |
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Post by timcampbell on Oct 20, 2022 4:12:29 GMT -6
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Post by thehightenor on Oct 20, 2022 7:04:58 GMT -6
How long did it take you to receive it from the date you put the order in? My issue with anything STAM is my inability to wait one or two years for a product to arrive - I struggle with next day delivery I understand the feeling. I was out of lip balm last night and ordered a 4 pack on Amazon and it was delivered today before noon. The Stam SA-251 I have came fairly fast as it was in stock at the time. Less than a week. I think it was an extra stock after all the pre orders were delivered. I have waited about 90 days for the other one in process which supposedly is the last run. Was told possibly shipping next week. Will be nice to have a pair. Overheads, room mics, choirs, piano etc. Keep an eye out, maybe they will have some extras after orders are sent out. Wow, less than a week, that must be a record for a STAM product - well done! |
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Post by timcampbell on Oct 22, 2022 18:44:01 GMT -6
Apparently they sold 50 of these the day the announcement came out so I think I will be a little busy |
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Post by ericn on Oct 22, 2022 19:17:56 GMT -6
Apparently they sold 50 of these the day the announcement came out so I think I will be a little busy Good to hear your going to be busy Tim. |
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Post by reddirt on Oct 23, 2022 0:24:50 GMT -6
When's Tim not busy?
Cheers, Ross
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Post by ericn on Oct 23, 2022 12:45:40 GMT -6
When's Tim not busy? Cheers, Ross When graces us with his insight?😁 |
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Post by Ward on Oct 23, 2022 13:05:45 GMT -6
When's Tim not busy? Cheers, Ross When graces us with his insight?😁 That's a very fair point! I appreciate that when @tcampbell isn't overwhelmed with work, he comes by to add FACT and sense to threads! And even when he is busy, he still maintains an eye on the discussions he can add to. Well done, timcampbell. |
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Post by chessparov on Oct 23, 2022 14:27:47 GMT -6
But too many FACTS...
Confuserate me.
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Post by timcampbell on Oct 23, 2022 17:24:58 GMT -6
"I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying." - Oscar Wilde
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Post by Ward on Oct 24, 2022 7:56:49 GMT -6
"I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying." - Oscar Wilde I love self-deprecating humor. |
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Post by chessparov on Oct 24, 2022 8:18:38 GMT -6
Just don't deprecate any Graves...
Unless you're in the Grateful Undead Uncover band.
Chris
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Post by ericn on Oct 24, 2022 8:49:54 GMT -6
Just don't deprecate any Graves... Unless you're in the Grateful Undead Uncover band. Chris I still worship at the coffin of the dead, well the audio version my ideal alter is an ATA with Gamble / Crest EX56! Really wish I could have justified the cost of the one Clearwing Sold a couple of months ago. |
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Post by ab101 on Oct 24, 2022 18:46:14 GMT -6
Good humor is healing. And by the way, taking it back to the topic, with a name like Flea, it has to be good! (And I love the Flea people and their mics.)
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Post by chessparov on Oct 24, 2022 19:03:29 GMT -6
Definitely front line material. Especially for the Vets here.
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. But we all know that will not happen much in this market.
