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Post by notneeson on Sept 8, 2022 18:36:45 GMT -6
It is a bit funny. Ben and I know each other very well. One year at Frankfurt I shared a booth with Ben, Tony Fishman, Fletcher and Jakob Erland. Last night out of the blue he called me just to chat. We talked for about 2 hours. He is busy as a bee (haha) building these things and he sends his regards. Hey Tim, could you invite Ben to stop by the thread and clear up this confusion around the tube?
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Post by guitarheadhunt on Sept 8, 2022 18:43:18 GMT -6
This is Ben's response to me about the tube. After reading this I did send him some pictures and still waiting to find out what tube he is using in mine. It also sounds like he has 3 different versions of this mic and design. His website makes it sound like his new old stock tube is all the rave. Then he tells me they changed the design for lower noise. Does this change the sound. I wouldn't know.
Hi Michael.
Thanks so much for reaching out to us.
Firstly about the power cable. We don’t supply this as there are simply too many variants in use around the world. We decided about 15 years ago that not supplying this meant one stock pile of microphones that can be shipped anywhere in the world rather than the 12 piles we had before that which were region specific.
Next the tube. DOn’t worry, we weren’t trying to stiff you or mis represent. The first batch of Bu67 Microphones which numbered in total just over 80 pieces, had 11 microphones that have the actual EF86 tube. This was done as we needed to have some of these mics to have the exact signal chain as the original u67 to ensure that we didn’t stray from that sound during design and implementation.
We also made one other design change from the gird leaving the top of the tube. The specific variant that we are using has two models (both the same tube but model S is the grid leaving the top and model r is the grid leaving through the pin) we have decided to use Model r as the noise spec is a smidge lower and equates to a better overall result.
Both the Model r and the EF86 are indistinguishable form each other. They both sound amazing.
If you send me a picture of the internal of your microphone, I will let you know whether yours is the Model r or the EF86 version.
Thanks and so sorry if this has caused any confusion.
Ben
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Post by guitarheadhunt on Sept 8, 2022 18:55:57 GMT -6
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Post by drbill on Sept 8, 2022 19:06:49 GMT -6
Does it sound good? Like a U67?
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Post by guitarheadhunt on Sept 8, 2022 19:25:31 GMT -6
Does it sound good? Like a U67? Hopefully I will have some time to put some audio through it this weekend. I will post some files. I don't have a real 67 nor have I ever used one. I do have a wa67 so I will compare to that. I don't really care if it sounds like u67. I did like the examples and the sound of the mic Josh used in his video of this mic. I am curious if the different tube changes the character of this mic. I'm currious as to what tube has been found in others BU67. Especially the mic Josh used. As his video is the basis of my decision to purchase.
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Post by chessparov on Sept 8, 2022 19:42:15 GMT -6
Also gets high marks from Rob Schnapf and Manny Nieto.
Just got off the phone with Manny a half hour ago. (He's planning more sessions with it already)
Manny also loves Ben's 49 version. Chris
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Post by seawell on Sept 8, 2022 19:56:52 GMT -6
Does it sound good? Like a U67? Hopefully I will have some time to put some audio through it this weekend. I will post some files. I don't have a real 67 nor have I ever used one. I do have a wa67 so I will compare to that. I don't really care if it sounds like u67. I did like the examples and the sound of the mic Josh used in his video of this mic. I am curious if the different tube changes the character of this mic. I'm currious as to what tube has been found in others BU67. Especially the mic Josh used. As his video is the basis of my decision to purchase. Hey man…very sorry for any confusion! My tube doesn’t have any markings but sure looks like an EF86 to me. I’ll attach a pic here. I bought mine just based on the initial sound examples Ben posted. I wasn’t even aware of what the tube was supposed to be(I realize this sounds ridiculous since I posted the Facebook link on page 1). I was so blown away that I picked the BU67 in all 3 examples on the blind shootout that I sped right past go and placed an order. Having said all that...I have found Ben to be a great guy so if you wanted an EF86 in yours I bet he’d make it happen!
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Post by guitarheadhunt on Sept 8, 2022 20:15:47 GMT -6
Hopefully I will have some time to put some audio through it this weekend. I will post some files. I don't have a real 67 nor have I ever used one. I do have a wa67 so I will compare to that. I don't really care if it sounds like u67. I did like the examples and the sound of the mic Josh used in his video of this mic. I am curious if the different tube changes the character of this mic. I'm currious as to what tube has been found in others BU67. Especially the mic Josh used. As his video is the basis of my decision to purchase. Hey man…very sorry for any confusion! My tube doesn’t have any markings but sure looks like an EF86 to me. I’ll attach a pic here. I bought mine just based on the initial sound examples Ben posted. I wasn’t even aware of what the tube was supposed to be(I realize this sounds ridiculous since I posted the Facebook link on page 1). I was so blown away that I picked the BU67 in all 3 examples on the blind shootout that I sped right past go and placed an order. Having said all that...I have found Ben to be a great guy so if you wanted an EF86 in yours I bet he’d make it happen! If you look at a few post back you will see a picture of mine. It too looks like an ef86. Totally different than your ef86. It seems as if he is using random ef86 tubes. I told him he should change the description on his website. He is advertising as using a tube that the input comes in from the top. Similar to the ac701k. His website goes into detail how this tube is much better than the ef86 tube on the market today. I am waiting his response to an email. He asked me to send pictures as to verify if I have the ef86 or the other tube. Which he then said some were input from the top and others redesigned to go through the pin. I believe all the confusion comes from his information he has posted on his website. Thanks for the picture. If it is the ef86 at least we can easily replace them if they go bad.
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Post by ab101 on Sept 8, 2022 20:16:54 GMT -6
Hopefully I will have some time to put some audio through it this weekend. I will post some files. I don't have a real 67 nor have I ever used one. I do have a wa67 so I will compare to that. I don't really care if it sounds like u67. I did like the examples and the sound of the mic Josh used in his video of this mic. I am curious if the different tube changes the character of this mic. I'm currious as to what tube has been found in others BU67. Especially the mic Josh used. As his video is the basis of my decision to purchase. Hey man…very sorry for any confusion! My tube doesn’t have any markings but sure looks like an EF86 to me. I’ll attach a pic here. I bought mine just based on the initial sound examples Ben posted. I wasn’t even aware of what the tube was supposed to be(I realize this sounds ridiculous since I posted the Facebook link on page 1). I was so blown away that I picked the BU67 in all 3 examples on the blind shootout that I sped right past go and placed an order. Having said all that...I have found Ben to be a great guy so if you wanted an EF86 in yours I bet he’d make it happen! Sure looks like an ef86 tube to me.
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Post by chessparov on Sept 8, 2022 20:27:58 GMT -6
It's an EF'n tube all right. Chris
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Post by guitarheadhunt on Sept 8, 2022 20:28:38 GMT -6
It appears Josh and I both got one with an ef86. Ben emailed me and said he basically has 3 versions of this mic.
Model s which has the grid supplied through the top of the tube as in the picture on page 1
Model R which has the grid supplied through the bottom pin.
EF86 model which uses an EF86 tube.
Wordering what everyone else has received. He said out of 80 only 11 has an actual EF86 tube.
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Post by guitarheadhunt on Sept 8, 2022 20:34:36 GMT -6
I will say the mic is built very nicely. I like the fact the body is made from solid brass. I also like the smaller form. The shock mount is very nice. I love the extra large thumb screw. It feels more substantial than most stock shock mounts. As far as the thumb screw goes. No worries of making sure the shock mount is tight enough. The power supply does not have a light but thats not a big deal. Pictures and videos on the web do not do the body and looks justice. It has a nice Matte finish but also has some metal flakes in the paint.
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Post by recordingengineer on Sept 8, 2022 21:29:05 GMT -6
His website goes into detail how this tube is much better than the ef86 tube on the market today. If I’m not mistaken, I’d imagine that would be “EF86” tubes made today, like the JJ EF806S… However, I’m not sure, as it seems Ben is on top of this one and has already changed his site? It’s seems much clearer to me now.
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Post by guitarheadhunt on Sept 8, 2022 21:35:26 GMT -6
His website goes into detail how this tube is much better than the ef86 tube on the market today. If I’m not mistaken, I’d imagine that would be “EF86” tubes made today, like the JJ EF806S… However, I’m not sure, as it seems Ben is on top of this one and has already changed his site. ! would assume.
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Post by guitarheadhunt on Sept 8, 2022 21:46:31 GMT -6
I just got an email from Ben after he saw my pictures. He did say that mine is the version they will be rolling with from here on out. The tube that is in it is the Mullard/Brimar tube. He made a distinction between this an a EF86. He sent this to me in an email.
" Hi Mike. No it is a cv5086 so it is an improvement on the ef86 design but the pinout is different as it is a lower noise tube" This was him telling me I can not use an EF86 tube in the mic. The one Josh has is more than likely an EF86 but he might want to verify that with Ben. If yours looks like mine in the pics I posted earlier than this is the tube you have the cv5086.
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Post by guitarheadhunt on Sept 8, 2022 22:00:44 GMT -6
I am waiting a reply from Ben.I looked up the cv5086 and it is the 1 that has the input on the top of the tube. My tube says cv2135. This might the revision of the same tube that has the input on the bottom like most tubes do. There is a little bit of confusion. I am just trying to figure this out if me or anyone else owns this mic and needs a replacement tube then we know what to look for. So to recap the cv5086 is the tube that has the input on the top. The cv2135 has the input on the bottom. neither of which shares the same pinout as the ef86.
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Post by recordingengineer on Sept 8, 2022 22:10:57 GMT -6
All getting clearer. In all, he’s being extremely selective with tubes, which is a win-win.
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Post by guitarheadhunt on Sept 8, 2022 22:25:10 GMT -6
Ok. So I got more clarification from Ben. The CV5086 sbs7 was the first tube he was using which has the input on the top of the tube. He then switched to the CV2135 sbr7 which is the same tube just the input is on the bottom of the tube. Neither one shares the same pin out as the EF86. he did say there are about 11 that has an ef86 and that the ones with the ef86 and the cv2135 sound identical. The good news is he has plenty of these tubes and if one goes bad we can easily get one from him.
Ben was very patient in answering all my questions. Now at least I know exactly what tube is in my particular mic. He also said this is the tube that he will be using hence forth in all the builds.
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Post by guitarheadhunt on Sept 8, 2022 22:39:22 GMT -6
All getting clearer. In all, he’s being extremely selective with tubes, which is a win-win. Yes, in fact I just had a conversation with him. He wants to keep the tube numbers secret in fear that the competition gets wind of what he is doing. I understand that completely being a business owner myself. I will probably redact some of this info. So anyone sees this info take note of this. You can also contact Ben. If you send him a pic he can identify which version you have and which tube you need.
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Post by indiehouse on Sept 9, 2022 10:32:20 GMT -6
Curiosity got the better of me, got a second hand BU67 coming in.
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Post by OtisGreying on Sept 9, 2022 13:24:51 GMT -6
How is Beesneez with response time for you guys? I’m dealing with an Ebony Baker and getting an email back is like pulling teeth. Waiting 2 weeks for tracking/shipping Info on a capsule...
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Post by guitarheadhunt on Sept 9, 2022 14:03:33 GMT -6
How is Beesneez with response time for you guys? I’m dealing with an Ebony Baker and getting an email back is like pulling teeth. Waiting 2 weeks for tracking/shipping Info on a capsule... They are slow for sure. I found its better to use the contact form on the website. I ordered mine on the 26th of August. It took them 7 days to send it out and that was after I used the contact form to ask where my tracking was or if the mic had been shipped. My mic finally shipped on the 2nd of September. I received it yesterday on the 8th. You also have to remember they are like 14 hours ahead of the USA. At least here on the east coast anyway. It's already 6am there. Use the contact form right about now. Then again they are probably closed on Saturday.
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Post by reddirt on Sept 9, 2022 17:38:07 GMT -6
6 days from post to receive is literally quicker than we'd get it in Australia unless sent priority. Cheers, Ross
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Post by guitarheadhunt on Sept 9, 2022 19:48:03 GMT -6
6 days from post to receive is literally quicker than we'd get it in Australia unless sent priority. Cheers, Ross Yeah once they sent it out it was here in no time considering it was coming from Austrailia. It just took them 7 days to send it out. As responding to OtisGreying's question yes they are slow to respond and slow to ship. Here in the states we are spoiled. Most of the time when I order something I have it in 2 days, 4 days tops. So yeah pretty impressed with the speed in which my mic arrived once it actually shipped.
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Post by the other mark williams on Sept 9, 2022 21:22:13 GMT -6
This is one of the admittedly ridiculous things here in the US: Because of Amazon, I'm getting used to the idea of ordering something and having it here the next day. Or maybe even the same day.
It might be terrible for smaller retailers, it might be terrible for the planet, but I admit I'm getting used to it...
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