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Post by EmRR on Jan 21, 2022 9:11:40 GMT -6
Knee/dick mic usually, a Neumann KM131 omni, usually most of the snare sound. If it's not hard hitting, MK-012 omni. Otherwise a dynamic.
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Post by notneeson on Jan 21, 2022 9:31:13 GMT -6
I actually really like an Earthworks cardioid on snare. I’ve got an SR30 (no longer made) and an SR69 (the original name for the SR30). Just fantastic, IMO. Off axis coloration is minimal. Now they have those gooseneck mics for snare and toms - haven’t heard those. I do some session work with Dave Mattacks from time to time, and he brings one of those gooseneck EWs to sessions for his snare. Sounds quite good, though it's super bright way up in the tippy top end so you need to be particularly mindful of hi hat bleed. Not really a problem with a drummer of Dave's calibre, but I'd think twice about using it as a go-to for my general day-to-day drum recording work. Love his playing, I had the pleasure of working on Joe Boyd's audio book and Dave is all over many of Joe's best productions. |
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Post by svart on Jan 21, 2022 9:43:06 GMT -6
Knee/dick mic usually, a Neumann KM131 omni, usually most of the snare sound. If it's not hard hitting, MK-012 omni. Otherwise a dynamic. I've been rocking a MK012 but with the large diaphragm capsule as my "wurst" mic. Works really well for that extra close room tone that doesn't overpower. |
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Post by drbill on Jan 21, 2022 9:47:57 GMT -6
Of course - the 84 is a classic on snare, but these days, I'll rarely risk one unless I know the drummer well and they are controlled. The 184 can sound great as well. Also, surprisingly, the MXL 991 or 603/604 can sound excellent.
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Post by johneppstein on Jan 21, 2022 10:33:59 GMT -6
KM84 on snare, position on the side of the drum an inch or two sideways from the vent hole;e to avoid blasts. Set the top/bottom balance with the height of the mic on the side of the shell. A 451 EB will work in a pinch, but the 84 is better. Would not use a 451B, although I do like the wooden box it came in.
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Post by the other mark williams on Jan 21, 2022 14:28:25 GMT -6
I've never gotten to use my Soyuz 011FET mics on snare (or any other part of the kit), but I think they would sound pretty kickass.
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Post by drumsound on Jan 21, 2022 17:40:56 GMT -6
Great stuff, folks. Keep 'em coming. I have an extra M295 you could borrow for a bit especially since I am getting ready to send a fresh batch of songs. That would be amazing! |
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Post by notneeson on Jan 21, 2022 18:13:57 GMT -6
I've never gotten to use my Soyuz 011FET mics on snare (or any other part of the kit), but I think they would sound pretty kickass. Mixing a project right now where a 013FET pointed away from the kit is killing it for drum ambience. |
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Post by gwlee7 on Jan 21, 2022 18:14:39 GMT -6
I have an extra M295 you could borrow for a bit especially since I am getting ready to send a fresh batch of songs. That would be amazing! I will send it to you then.  |
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Post by the other mark williams on Jan 21, 2022 18:27:01 GMT -6
I've never gotten to use my Soyuz 011FET mics on snare (or any other part of the kit), but I think they would sound pretty kickass. Mixing a project right now where a 013FET pointed away from the kit is killing it for drum ambience. I own the Soyuz FET SDCs and a Soyuz FET LDC, but I honestly can't keep up with what they're called anymore. They should've gotten their naming convention down before they went to market, methinks... |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jan 21, 2022 19:03:42 GMT -6
I’ve been thinking about trying this route instead of the tried and true 57.
Question, is anyone actually minimizing hi hat bleed to any real level anyway? Why not just make the bleed sound good?
That’s kind of where my head is at. Maybe it’s time to just give up on hi hat bleed and embrace the suck. At least make the bleed sound nice.
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Post by seawell on Jan 21, 2022 19:16:52 GMT -6
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Post by drumsound on Jan 21, 2022 20:32:03 GMT -6
I’ve been thinking about trying this route instead of the tried and true 57. Question, is anyone actually minimizing hi hat bleed to any real level anyway? Why not just make the bleed sound good? That’s kind of where my head is at. Maybe it’s time to just give up on hi hat bleed and embrace the suck. At least make the bleed sound nice. That's not what I'm thinking about here. I generally use hypercardioid mics on snare. I have an MC012 with a hyper cap there right now. Honestly I don't get too crazy about placement, I know a couple good spots. |
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Post by bgrotto on Jan 21, 2022 21:21:10 GMT -6
I do some session work with Dave Mattacks from time to time, and he brings one of those gooseneck EWs to sessions for his snare. Sounds quite good, though it's super bright way up in the tippy top end so you need to be particularly mindful of hi hat bleed. Not really a problem with a drummer of Dave's calibre, but I'd think twice about using it as a go-to for my general day-to-day drum recording work. Love his playing, I had the pleasure of working on Joe Boyd's audio book and Dave is all over many of Joe's best productions. He's a wizard. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 22, 2022 9:24:34 GMT -6
I’ve been thinking about trying this route instead of the tried and true 57. Question, is anyone actually minimizing hi hat bleed to any real level anyway? Why not just make the bleed sound good? That’s kind of where my head is at. Maybe it’s time to just give up on hi hat bleed and embrace the suck. At least make the bleed sound nice. Here ya go! I grabbed a section from a scratch drum track that I laid last night. Bounced out a clip of full kit, snare top only, toms only, and snare/toms only. Earthworks DM20 on snare and toms. Everything is flat in the box, but I generally compress and eq on the way in. RND 5015 pres/comps, snare is hitting an API 550B, toms are going through Alta Moda EQ's. drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Yskw2PZ_CDTdC3XwEgNaXA236-IHAL3h?usp=sharing |
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Post by drumsound on Jan 22, 2022 9:39:30 GMT -6
I will send it to you then.  You are very kind and generous! I’ve been thinking about trying this route instead of the tried and true 57. Question, is anyone actually minimizing hi hat bleed to any real level anyway? Why not just make the bleed sound good? That’s kind of where my head is at. Maybe it’s time to just give up on hi hat bleed and embrace the suck. At least make the bleed sound nice. Here ya go! I grabbed a section from a scratch drum track that I laid last night. Bounced out a clip of full kit, snare top only, toms only, and snare/toms only. Earthworks DM20 on snare and toms. Everything is flat in the box, but I generally compress and eq on the way in. RND 5015 pres/comps, snare is hitting an API 550B, toms are going through Alta Moda EQ's. drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Yskw2PZ_CDTdC3XwEgNaXA236-IHAL3h?usp=sharingThis is awesome! I'm bringing this to the studio today. Hopefully I'll have time to listen before my brother's band shows up for mix revisions. |
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Post by drumrec on Jan 22, 2022 11:55:52 GMT -6
Funny thread. Sounds great about your clips jcoutu1 You can never get tired of different ways to get a good snare sound. This is nothing new and Andrew Scheps does it all the time. But have been using a Vanguard V4 aimed at snare body lately. Then I run mic saturation in BB105 KIT Plugin. Voila, that's all. Lovely dirty snare sound to blend in with taste.  |
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Post by Ward on Jan 22, 2022 19:47:31 GMT -6
Favorite by far: AKG C460 with the ring adapter and a CK1 capsule. Rejects bleed and captures the snare sound like you hear it when your playing it.
KM84 is also great, of course.
Beyer 930 is good on top or bottom.
Neumann TLM102 also pretty good, but bleed isn't pleasant
BLUE Kiwi in hypercardioid aimed at the snare from over the kick drum is also beautiful... great as a crotch mic.
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Post by bricejchandler on Jan 23, 2022 3:39:09 GMT -6
Favorite by far: AKG C460 with the ring adapter and a CK1 capsule. Rejects bleed and captures the snare sound like you hear it when your playing it. KM84 is also great, of course. Beyer 930 is good on top or bottom. Neumann TLM102 also pretty good, but bleed isn't pleasant BLUE Kiwi in hypercardioid aimed at the snare from over the kick drum is also beautiful... great as a crotch mic. That's my preferred setup too. Akg ( I've used the 460, 452, 451) with the CK1 capsule. I feel like that mic has the right amount of brightness while slightly getting rid of some mids. On a really thin sounding snare I might prefer the 84 because the mids are more pronounced. |
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Post by johneppstein on Jan 23, 2022 11:04:46 GMT -6
I’ve been thinking about trying this route instead of the tried and true 57. Question, is anyone actually minimizing hi hat bleed to any real level anyway? Why not just make the bleed sound good? That’s kind of where my head is at. Maybe it’s time to just give up on hi hat bleed and embrace the suck. At least make the bleed sound nice. I have never been really satisfied with a 57 on snare.
Problem one is the average sounding tone.
Problem 2 is that one hit to the front and the end of your capsule flies off. This problem doesn't exist with a SDC because it isn't necessary to get the mic even close to the danger zone.
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Post by recordingengineer on Jan 23, 2022 15:21:36 GMT -6
Jim Williams turned me on to a stock ST31 for snare. I picked one up a while ago, but haven’t tried it yet. Funny thing is, just last week, I had the perfect session to try it on snare, but I had forgotten I had it until this post!
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Post by drbill on Jan 24, 2022 10:01:21 GMT -6
Jim Williams turned me on to a stock ST31 for snare. I picked one up a while ago, but haven’t tried it yet. Funny thing is, just last week, I had the perfect session to try it on snare, but I had forgotten I had it until this post! Just picked one up for $85. Going to give it a try on Snare and save the 84's for other duties..... Thx. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jan 24, 2022 23:31:58 GMT -6
Jim Williams turned me on to a stock ST31 for snare. I picked one up a while ago, but haven’t tried it yet. Funny thing is, just last week, I had the perfect session to try it on snare, but I had forgotten I had it until this post! Just picked one up for $85. Going to give it a try on Snare and save the 84's for other duties..... Thx. While we're talking out of the box low(er) end... anyone ever use a stage condenser on snare? I've got an RE510 that I like to use for live acoustic gigs with a supercardiod pattern. I just rigged it up on my snare but it's too late to try it tonight. Curious if any of y'all have gone this route with good results. |
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Post by christophert on Jan 25, 2022 4:14:52 GMT -6
Not many condensers have done it for me in the past , sometimes a 451EB taped to a Beyer 201, even though it is killer, I won't let my KM84i near a snare drum any more.
Sometimes a 57 just works with the right music (with the TAB/AMI transformer)
Lately the TUL SNR1 mic has been the bomb for me.
A mic built specifically for snare duties.
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Post by drumsound on Jan 25, 2022 12:50:00 GMT -6
Not many condensers have done it for me in the past , sometimes a 451EB taped to a Beyer 201, even though it is killer, I won't let my KM84i near a snare drum any more. Sometimes a 57 just works with the right music (with the TAB/AMI transformer) Lately the TUL SNR1 mic has been the bomb for me. A mic built specifically for snare duties. Looks like the SNR1 is either not made anymore, or new and hasn't made their website yet. What can you tell us about it? |
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