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Post by drumsound on Jan 20, 2022 17:08:43 GMT -6
Let's go simple. Who likes what, and WHY?
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Post by notneeson on Jan 20, 2022 17:23:50 GMT -6
I've done some KM84 on snare in my time, can be really nice as the hat bleed sounds so good.
Have also KM184 and Mk-012 on snare under, but then I started to consistently mute the snare under at mix and stopped tracking with one.
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Post by bgrotto on Jan 20, 2022 17:32:52 GMT -6
I quite like the Sontronics DM1S (*PRETTY* sure that's the name). I initially was pairing it with a 57 on snare top for the dyn/cond thing, but found at mix that i was basically just keeping the 57 muted most of the time, so i switched to just the single condenser on top. But sadly, it broke  Haven't gotten around to getting it serviced yet. It's clear, not too bright, great transient, and the bleed sounds worlds better than what you'll get from a 57 (or any dynamic) |
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Post by subspace on Jan 20, 2022 17:42:11 GMT -6
SM81 on side of shell, albeit I have a penchant for '90s GRAWK! snare tones.
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Post by javamad on Jan 20, 2022 18:30:34 GMT -6
I like a 57 on top and an AKG 314 on bottom.
Lets me compress the bottom snare wire ring into the mix with a certain brightness I just wasn’t getting with a 57.
I also tried an extra condenser on top … never really liked it … it generally just became a HH bleed point…. maybe some special capsule or HH barrier … open to hearing ideas on this thread :-)
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Post by svart on Jan 20, 2022 18:38:30 GMT -6
I did an oktava 219 on snare once and it turned out good.
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Post by drastic on Jan 20, 2022 19:10:30 GMT -6
I tried a Beyerdynamic MC 930 paired with a m201 on top, i5 on btm a few weeks back that sounded pretty cool.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2022 19:43:28 GMT -6
Schoeps's MK4, neutral but not sterile with a hint of compression, does a great job. Best I've ever heard on a kit / percussion etc. is the Gefell M295's.. So damn accurate, detailed, fast and works great on most things in close proximity but I don't hate my wallet enough to buy a pair.. Always wanted to try the M300's as well.
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Post by sean on Jan 20, 2022 20:07:18 GMT -6
Sony C38B or C37P, with its low output, works great on snare (doesn’t overload like some condensers)
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Post by phdamage on Jan 20, 2022 21:55:02 GMT -6
KSM 141/137 all the way! MK012 is decent as well
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2022 22:19:51 GMT -6
KSM 137. Oktavia mk12
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Post by Blackdawg on Jan 20, 2022 22:35:57 GMT -6
Schoeps MK41 or MK4 even. But i usually only do that when Brushes are involved. I find the capsules get slammed too much otherwise.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 20, 2022 23:13:42 GMT -6
Earthworks drum mics are killer on snare and toms.
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Post by the other mark williams on Jan 20, 2022 23:23:22 GMT -6
I actually really like an Earthworks cardioid on snare. I’ve got an SR30 (no longer made) and an SR69 (the original name for the SR30). Just fantastic, IMO. Off axis coloration is minimal.
Now they have those gooseneck mics for snare and toms - haven’t heard those.
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Post by Darren Boling on Jan 20, 2022 23:40:59 GMT -6
Sony C38B or C37P, with its low output, works great on snare (doesn’t overload like some condensers) 38b is one of my favs too. Also like an 84 micing the shell. |
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Post by bgrotto on Jan 20, 2022 23:41:11 GMT -6
I actually really like an Earthworks cardioid on snare. I’ve got an SR30 (no longer made) and an SR69 (the original name for the SR30). Just fantastic, IMO. Off axis coloration is minimal. Now they have those gooseneck mics for snare and toms - haven’t heard those. I do some session work with Dave Mattacks from time to time, and he brings one of those gooseneck EWs to sessions for his snare. Sounds quite good, though it's super bright way up in the tippy top end so you need to be particularly mindful of hi hat bleed. Not really a problem with a drummer of Dave's calibre, but I'd think twice about using it as a go-to for my general day-to-day drum recording work. |
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Post by rowmat on Jan 20, 2022 23:52:35 GMT -6
KM84 is a no brainer for both its sonics (pulled back a little to also capture some of the shell) but, as already stated, the off axis hi-hat bleed doesn’t sound like a cat throwing up.
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Post by the other mark williams on Jan 20, 2022 23:54:22 GMT -6
I actually really like an Earthworks cardioid on snare. I’ve got an SR30 (no longer made) and an SR69 (the original name for the SR30). Just fantastic, IMO. Off axis coloration is minimal. Now they have those gooseneck mics for snare and toms - haven’t heard those. I do some session work with Dave Mattacks from time to time, and he brings one of those gooseneck EWs to sessions for his snare. Sounds quite good, though it's super bright way up in the tippy top end so you need to be particularly mindful of hi hat bleed. Not really a problem with a drummer of Dave's calibre, but I'd think twice about using it as a go-to for my general day-to-day drum recording work. I hear ya. I haven’t worked a commercial facility in a few years, which means for the past few years I’ve only recorded drums for/with 2-3 drummer friends locally who are all really good, with great control. It’s not terribly unusual for me to get most of my snare sound from the OHs with them. And I don’t mic the hat at all. If it’s a brighter OH sound, a thicker-sounding snare mic is a nice balance for some body. But if it’s ribbons up top, I do like the Earthworks for the smack. |
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Post by drumsound on Jan 21, 2022 1:21:20 GMT -6
Great stuff, folks. Keep 'em coming.
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Post by bricejchandler on Jan 21, 2022 1:41:37 GMT -6
I'll second or third the Schoeps suggestion though for most players you'll need the pad and even then sometimes they will overload.
I record a lot of soft drum or brush playing so not a huge problem here.
When I'm recording a heavy hitter my go to is the Akg 451, taped to a 57 or 201 depending on the snare, I really like how snappy it sounds.
I actually like it over the KM84 for the way I like my snares. Most of the time I'm using either 4038s or 67s on Oh so I'm already getting a lot of beef from the overhead mics and the 451 is great to fill in some detail and snap.
The E22s is a classic for a reason, it does sound really cool for snare and toms but I never ended up getting one because I couldn't justify getting something that expensive just for snare. I know some people love it for acoustic instruments but next to my Schoeps or 84s, there was just no comparison.
I've even used U87s, U47s when micing really minimal kits and balanced drummers. Actually now that I think about it I've used the 87 quite often on snare, it sounds really full.
I also love condensers on toms and my gotos are the Shure KSM44s!
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Post by gwlee7 on Jan 21, 2022 3:38:48 GMT -6
Great stuff, folks. Keep 'em coming. I have an extra M295 you could borrow for a bit especially since I am getting ready to send a fresh batch of songs. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2022 5:33:05 GMT -6
I'll second or third the Schoeps suggestion though for most players you'll need the pad and even then sometimes they will overload. I record a lot of soft drum or brush playing so not a huge problem here. When I'm recording a heavy hitter my go to is the Akg 451, taped to a 57 or 201 depending on the snare, I really like how snappy it sounds. I actually like it over the KM84 for the way I like my snares. Most of the time I'm using either 4038s or 67s on Oh so I'm already getting a lot of beef from the overhead mics and the 451 is great to fill in some detail and snap. The E22s is a classic for a reason, it does sound really cool for snare and toms but I never ended up getting one because I couldn't justify getting something that expensive just for snare. I know some people love it for acoustic instruments but next to my Schoeps or 84s, there was just no comparison. I've even used U87s, U47s when micing really minimal kits and balanced drummers. Actually now that I think about it I've used the 87 quite often on snare, it sounds really full. I also love condensers on toms and my gotos are the Shure KSM44s! Agreed and I've always used the AKG "premium" drum kit set (it was just easier) with an MD441 on snare.. The MK4 with a CMC has an SPL of 131dB whereas the AKG 451B has an SPL of 155dB. In reality due to sensitivity even the AKG 451B can get a bit hairy.. So with the Schoep's I use them like "close overhead" mics next to the HH position directly above the snare about half a foot off with a 20dB pad on the preamp, then I moved the hi-hat closer to the toms and have the Schoep's facing away from it. I'm sure that would annoy a lot of players but I'm used to dodgy positioning due to e-drum kits and double bass pedals with different floorboards. It was a fun experiment if not finicky but given the choice again I'd just use a 441.. It sounds great, I'm not lacking anything by avoiding a condenser and it has very good cancellation, sure it's bulky and expensive but sincerely awesome so.. The best "condenser" for me is a dynamic (in this situation, let's not start this again.. LOL). |
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Post by bricejchandler on Jan 21, 2022 5:52:36 GMT -6
I'll second or third the Schoeps suggestion though for most players you'll need the pad and even then sometimes they will overload. I record a lot of soft drum or brush playing so not a huge problem here. When I'm recording a heavy hitter my go to is the Akg 451, taped to a 57 or 201 depending on the snare, I really like how snappy it sounds. I actually like it over the KM84 for the way I like my snares. Most of the time I'm using either 4038s or 67s on Oh so I'm already getting a lot of beef from the overhead mics and the 451 is great to fill in some detail and snap. The E22s is a classic for a reason, it does sound really cool for snare and toms but I never ended up getting one because I couldn't justify getting something that expensive just for snare. I know some people love it for acoustic instruments but next to my Schoeps or 84s, there was just no comparison. I've even used U87s, U47s when micing really minimal kits and balanced drummers. Actually now that I think about it I've used the 87 quite often on snare, it sounds really full. I also love condensers on toms and my gotos are the Shure KSM44s! Agreed and I've always used the AKG "premium" drum kit set (it was just easier) with an MD441 on snare.. The MK4 with a CMC has an SPL of 131dB whereas the AKG 451B has an SPL of 155dB. In reality due to sensitivity even the AKG 451B can get a bit hairy.. So with the Schoep's I use them like "close overhead" mics next to the HH position directly above the snare about half a foot off with a 20dB pad on the preamp, then I moved the hi-hat closer to the toms and have the Schoep's facing away from it. I'm sure that would annoy a lot of players but I'm used to dodgy positioning due to e-drum kits and double bass pedals with different floorboards. It was a fun experiment if not finicky but given the choice again I'd just use a 441.. It sounds great, I'm not lacking anything by avoiding a condenser and it has very good cancellation, sure it's bulky and expensive but sincerely awesome so.. The best "condenser" for me is a dynamic (in this situation, let's not start this again.. LOL). Interesting I've never tried the Schoeps in that position, I'll have to try it. Yeah the 441 is amazing on snare, hard to position but it really does give great sounds. Recently I've also liked the M81 by Telefunken on snare, good cancellation and a pretty even tone, not uber bright like the M80 which I hated. I agree that dynamics always work great on rock snare, the only time I can't make them work is when recording brushes, it just ends up sounding too filtered and lacking in dynamics ( I'm trying very hard not to use the word lo-fi here haha) compared to Schoeps or KM84S. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 21, 2022 6:42:30 GMT -6
I'm using the gooseneck dm20s. They have the nicest bleed of any drum mics that I've used. Can probably post a sample later today.
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Post by drastic on Jan 21, 2022 7:52:17 GMT -6
I'm using the gooseneck dm20s. They have the nicest bleed of any drum mics that I've used. Can probably post a sample later today. Still haven’t tried those on snare! They’ve been living on my toms though, sound great. |
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Haven't gotten around to getting it serviced yet.
