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Post by forgotteng on Feb 17, 2022 16:41:46 GMT -6
I'm using that wilkinson clip with an Advanced Audio CM54 and a Heil PR22.
Funny story about the ST31. About 15 years ago I was tracking a demo for a buddy's band at his place. All he had was an ST31 for snare. I was embarrassed to use it because I was clueless. It was one of the best snare drum sounds I ever captured.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Feb 18, 2022 21:31:34 GMT -6
So I've been fiddling with different stuff since this thread started and came to some interesting outcomes. First off, I love that this site has threads like this with intelligent engineers that inspire me to try new things. It's refreshing to not have to deal with "that mic sucks!!!" the whole time when we're trying to have a conversation about something totally different. Those forums know who they are.
Anyway, I tried a bunch of things all week in anticipation of a session tomorrow. Mics all over the room and the drums, experimenting with everything. I thought I nailed what I'm looking for (Doug Sahm drunken feel but perhaps a bit more modern) with TLM 102 and m160 sharing overhead duties in a modified Glyn Johns/Recorderman, UT FET47 on kick with reso head off, Oktava 012 on a wall for room mic, 57 on snare and 635a under snare. Took me a lot to get there. Including a lot of condensers on the snare that sounded great but couldn't blend. Did a recording with SM7b on snare but, just don't feel like having it locked up there. Settled on the 57. Everything damped like an MFer.
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Then I figured I might try a Fig 8 configuration to see if I could null out the hat a bit with a condenser. Threw the Lewitt 441 about 10 inches off the snare, nulls facing kick and hat. And here's what surprised me.
That and the kick drum pretty much just did it. Like that's 85% of what I was looking for. I was shocked. The hat still bled but no worse than with a 57 except it sounded good. Haha. I tilted the 102 more towards the tom/ride angle and did those overheads as a pan and BOOM. Natural sound. And with way less dampening needed on snare.
The test take I did was kick and snare at 0, OH's at -10db panned hard L/R. Easiest drum setup ever. Only took me two years to figure out how to make the drums SOUND like zero effort was put into miking them. Haha.
Anyone else use a similar setup?
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Post by drumsound on Feb 18, 2022 23:53:38 GMT -6
So I've been fiddling with different stuff since this thread started and came to some interesting outcomes. First off, I love that this site has threads like this with intelligent engineers that inspire me to try new things. It's refreshing to not have to deal with "that mic sucks!!!" the whole time when we're trying to have a conversation about something totally different. Those forums know who they are. Anyway, I tried a bunch of things all week in anticipation of a session tomorrow. Mics all over the room and the drums, experimenting with everything. I thought I nailed what I'm looking for (Doug Sahm drunken feel but perhaps a bit more modern) with TLM 102 and m160 sharing overhead duties in a modified Glyn Johns/Recorderman, UT FET47 on kick with reso head off, Oktava 012 on a wall for room mic, 57 on snare and 635a under snare. Took me a lot to get there. Including a lot of condensers on the snare that sounded great but couldn't blend. Did a recording with SM7b on snare but, just don't feel like having it locked up there. Settled on the 57. Everything damped like an MFer. But. Then I figured I might try a Fig 8 configuration to see if I could null out the hat a bit with a condenser. Threw the Lewitt 441 about 10 inches off the snare, nulls facing kick and hat. And here's what surprised me. That and the kick drum pretty much just did it. Like that's 85% of what I was looking for. I was shocked. The hat still bled but no worse than with a 57 except it sounded good. Haha. I tilted the 102 more towards the tom/ride angle and did those overheads as a pan and BOOM. Natural sound. And with way less dampening needed on snare. The test take I did was kick and snare at 0, OH's at -10db panned hard L/R. Easiest drum setup ever. Only took me two years to figure out how to make the drums SOUND like zero effort was put into miking them. Haha. Anyone else use a similar setup? It sounds like you had a fun and informative week. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Feb 19, 2022 0:21:06 GMT -6
It’s amazing how much planning goes into making something feel like it was spontaneous.
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Post by gwlee7 on Feb 19, 2022 8:20:22 GMT -6
It’s amazing how much planning goes into making something feel like it was spontaneous. Man that improvised solo was so simple and elegant!! Yeah, I spent two weeks removing the overplayed notes till I got it just right. |
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Post by drumsound on Feb 19, 2022 10:25:45 GMT -6
It’s amazing how much planning goes into making something feel like it was spontaneous. Man that improvised solo was so simple and elegant!! Yeah, I spent two weeks removing the overplayed notes till I got it just right. I've sat across from guitar players and done just that before. |
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Post by gwlee7 on Feb 19, 2022 11:21:12 GMT -6
Man that improvised solo was so simple and elegant!! Yeah, I spent two weeks removing the overplayed notes till I got it just right. I've sat across from guitar players and done just that before. I always struggle with playing “too much”. I ain’t trying to be Eric Johnson or Steve Vai. I want to be like Mike Campbell. He is amazingly perfect at, well, being perfect. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Feb 19, 2022 11:31:15 GMT -6
I've sat across from guitar players and done just that before. I always struggle with playing “too much”. I ain’t trying to be Eric Johnson or Steve Vai. I want to be like Mike Campbell. He is amazingly perfect at, well, being perfect. In fact, the whole Tom Petty crew was great at nailing the "we're not really trying" vibe. Which is hilarious because Petty was an obsessive perfectionist. Whatever they did, it certainly worked out. |
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Post by notneeson on Feb 19, 2022 12:41:52 GMT -6
I always struggle with playing “too much”. I ain’t trying to be Eric Johnson or Steve Vai. I want to be like Mike Campbell. He is amazingly perfect at, well, being perfect. In fact, the whole Tom Petty crew was great at nailing the "we're not really trying" vibe. Which is hilarious because Petty was an obsessive perfectionist. Whatever they did, it certainly worked out. There's a Wild Flowers doc that's free on youtube. Just watched it. Benmont Tench says at one point that Rick Rubin's mantra was "play less." Not saying that he's the originator of their approach, but I found it interesting they would need to hear that so deep into doing their thing. On the other hand, that record was a kind of renewal of full band takes after the Jeff Lynne way of working. |
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Post by drumsound on Feb 19, 2022 23:54:19 GMT -6
I've sat across from guitar players and done just that before. I always struggle with playing “too much”. I ain’t trying to be Eric Johnson or Steve Vai. I want to be like Mike Campbell. He is amazingly perfect at, well, being perfect. He really is! One of my favorites. I always struggle with playing “too much”. I ain’t trying to be Eric Johnson or Steve Vai. I want to be like Mike Campbell. He is amazingly perfect at, well, being perfect. In fact, the whole Tom Petty crew was great at nailing the "we're not really trying" vibe. Which is hilarious because Petty was an obsessive perfectionist. Whatever they did, it certainly worked out. Totally old school method of just doing takes, and then more takes, finding the right vibe, and then finding the right take.In fact, the whole Tom Petty crew was great at nailing the "we're not really trying" vibe. Which is hilarious because Petty was an obsessive perfectionist. Whatever they did, it certainly worked out. There's a Wild Flowers doc that's free on youtube. Just watched it. Benmont Tench says at one point that Rick Rubin's mantra was "play less." Not saying that he's the originator of their approach, but I found it interesting they would need to hear that so deep into doing their thing. On the other hand, that record was a kind of renewal of full band takes after the Jeff Lynne way of working. With a band like the Heartbreakers, why would anyone not want them to play as a band? |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Feb 20, 2022 1:21:48 GMT -6
In fact, the whole Tom Petty crew was great at nailing the "we're not really trying" vibe. Which is hilarious because Petty was an obsessive perfectionist. Whatever they did, it certainly worked out. There's a Wild Flowers doc that's free on youtube. Just watched it. Benmont Tench says at one point that Rick Rubin's mantra was "play less." Not saying that he's the originator of their approach, but I found it interesting they would need to hear that so deep into doing their thing. On the other hand, that record was a kind of renewal of full band takes after the Jeff Lynne way of working. I saw that too, very interesting. There are so many Rick Rubin haters out there and I kind of get it. But man, he's been involved with so many great projects. And all those people seem to give him a ton of credit. It's totally unclear what his skillset actually is, but the guy makes good records by and large. |
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Post by drumsound on Feb 21, 2022 17:46:52 GMT -6
I'm using the gooseneck dm20s. They have the nicest bleed of any drum mics that I've used. Can probably post a sample later today. Is a sample still possible? |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 21, 2022 18:59:54 GMT -6
I'm using the gooseneck dm20s. They have the nicest bleed of any drum mics that I've used. Can probably post a sample later today. Is a sample still possible? I posted on page 2. Nobody commented, so I guess they weren't very good. 😂😂 |
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Post by the other mark williams on Feb 21, 2022 19:40:23 GMT -6
Is a sample still possible? I posted on page 2. Nobody commented, so I guess they weren't very good. 😂😂 you know, I never even noticed you had posted the clip! I was so distracted by the picture of your amazing console - wowzers. |
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Post by drumsound on Feb 22, 2022 8:46:57 GMT -6
Is a sample still possible? I posted on page 2. Nobody commented, so I guess they weren't very good. 😂😂 I'm a Space Cadet. I even commented on planning to listen, and then it slipped my mind. These sound great. Thanks a heap. I'm really interested in those mics. |
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Post by Ward on Feb 25, 2022 7:58:42 GMT -6
There are so many Rick Rubin haters out there and I kind of get it. But man, he's been involved with so many great projects. And all those people seem to give him a ton of credit. It's totally unclear what his skillset actually is, but the guy makes good records by and large. Great records because he knows how to stay out of the way. Going as far as leaving the band alone and lying down on the control room couch and just listening. There's nothing wrong with that and nothing hate-worthy there. Have you seen McCartney 1-2-3? Rubin is acutely aware of everything happening even when he seems not to be. |
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Post by drumsound on May 25, 2022 16:17:53 GMT -6
Jim Williams turned me on to a stock ST31 for snare. I picked one up a while ago, but haven’t tried it yet. Funny thing is, just last week, I had the perfect session to try it on snare, but I had forgotten I had it until this post! Jim Williams turned me on to a stock ST31 for snare. I picked one up a while ago, but haven’t tried it yet. Funny thing is, just last week, I had the perfect session to try it on snare, but I had forgotten I had it until this post! Just picked one up for $85. Going to give it a try on Snare and save the 84's for other duties..... Thx. I'm using that wilkinson clip with an Advanced Audio CM54 and a Heil PR22. Funny story about the ST31. About 15 years ago I was tracking a demo for a buddy's band at his place. All he had was an ST31 for snare. I was embarrassed to use it because I was clueless. It was one of the best snare drum sounds I ever captured. I've been kind of keeping an eye out for an ST31 and I got one for $62 bucks on dBay. It should be here tomorrow. Are they end address or side address? |
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Post by forgotteng on May 25, 2022 18:56:41 GMT -6
I'm using that wilkinson clip with an Advanced Audio CM54 and a Heil PR22. Funny story about the ST31. About 15 years ago I was tracking a demo for a buddy's band at his place. All he had was an ST31 for snare. I was embarrassed to use it because I was clueless. It was one of the best snare drum sounds I ever captured. I've been kind of keeping an eye out for an ST31 and I got one for $62 bucks on dBay. It should be here tomorrow. Are they end address or side address? They are end address. I think you will dig it. |
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Post by mjau on May 25, 2022 19:54:59 GMT -6
Have some recorded drum tracks with Josephson e22’s on top and bottom of a brushed snare. Really beautiful lifelike representation of the drum.
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Post by drumsound on May 25, 2022 22:55:36 GMT -6
I've been kind of keeping an eye out for an ST31 and I got one for $62 bucks on dBay. It should be here tomorrow. Are they end address or side address? They are end address. I think you will dig it. I'm excited to try. I love a good hidden gem! Have some recorded drum tracks with Josephson e22’s on top and bottom of a brushed snare. Really beautiful lifelike representation of the drum. Yeah, I think I saw those a couple week ago. |
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Post by crillemannen on May 26, 2022 4:06:12 GMT -6
The Audio technica Atm450 works great on both toms and snare. It's super snappy So using it in conjunction with say an sm57 you can get a great snare sound. Small, and quite cheap too! KM84 ofc but they're so expensive so I would be afraid to use them on snare top these days.
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Post by mcirish on May 26, 2022 8:30:50 GMT -6
I often use an Oktava MC-012 with an Audix i5 on snare. They each do their own thing and the combination gives me good results. I do use the -10dB pad on the MC-012. I also have a bottom snare mic that I jump between condenser and dynamic. Most often, it's so low in the mix that it wouldn't matter what it was.
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Post by jacobamerritt on May 26, 2022 8:46:37 GMT -6
AKG 535 can be cool.
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Post by drumsound on May 26, 2022 11:03:36 GMT -6
I often use an Oktava MC-012 with an Audix i5 on snare. They each do their own thing and the combination gives me good results. I do use the -10dB pad on the MC-012. I also have a bottom snare mic that I jump between condenser and dynamic. Most often, it's so low in the mix that it wouldn't matter what it was. I'm the same way with the bottom mic. I feel, if low in the mix, it does add something, and the mic isn't crucial. I've had good luck with EV RE10 lately I know nothing about this mic. Off to Google... |
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Post by Coil Audio on May 26, 2022 12:45:51 GMT -6
Totally OT but a recent discovery is a Stager SR-5 on snare. Pretty tasty.
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