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Post by drbill on Feb 3, 2022 18:12:31 GMT -6
Then I'd humbly suggest they ditch the effort. Or choose another mic to revisit. An M49 without a AC701 is not an M49. They could use another tube and call it.....um....an M 149. Oh wait.....  Yeah, the only thing I can think of is doing a Solid State “Decca mod “ reissue. My hunch is the AC701 is what keeps us from getting a solid confirmation. I think Neumann has heard the same stories we all have about large quantities, but when they go to make a deal they don’t exist. You may be right Eric...... |
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Post by aremos on Feb 3, 2022 19:34:19 GMT -6
The U67 (RI2, RI1, Original) is a great all-around mic that can "tame" just about any voice. Definitely surpasses the U87.
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Post by michaelcleary on Feb 3, 2022 20:31:20 GMT -6
Then I'd humbly suggest they ditch the effort. Or choose another mic to revisit. An M49 without a AC701 is not an M49. They could use another tube and call it.....um....an M 149. Oh wait..... Yeah, the only thing I can think of is doing a Solid State “Decca mod “ reissue. My hunch is the AC701 is what keeps us from getting a solid confirmation. I think Neumann has heard the same stories we all have about large quantities, but when they go to make a deal they don’t exist. This, there are not enough AC701 tubes. |
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Post by chessparov on Feb 4, 2022 2:21:58 GMT -6
The U67 (RI2, RI1, Original) is a great all-around mic that can "tame" just about any voice. Definitely surpasses the U87. Unless it's Karen Carpenter and it's stuck on Omni.  Chris |
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Post by phil on Feb 4, 2022 4:51:58 GMT -6
The U67 (RI2, RI1, Original) is a great all-around mic that can "tame" just about any voice. Definitely surpasses the U87. Agree with you! The only thing that sometimes bothers me is the sibilance issues especially when i add a high shelf in my u67 reissue. I still can't get used to how it handles sibilants. Sometimes they sound nicely smoothed, but also sometimes they are very prominent and sound unnatural. Without a high shelf, everything seems to be fine, but the sound is quite dark. I don't know if it's all in my head, but in omni mode the sibilants are even more pronounced. Also, I noticed that the stock tube is more resistant to sibilance than other tubes. |
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Post by Vincent R. on Feb 4, 2022 6:01:28 GMT -6
The U67 (RI2, RI1, Original) is a great all-around mic that can "tame" just about any voice. Definitely surpasses the U87. Agree with you! The only thing that sometimes bothers me is the sibilance issues especially when i add a high shelf in my u67 reissue. I still can't get used to how it handles sibilants. Sometimes they sound nicely smoothed, but also sometimes they are very prominent and sound unnatural. Without a high shelf, everything seems to be fine, but the sound is quite dark. I don't know if it's all in my head, but in omni mode the sibilants are even more pronounced. Also, I noticed that the stock tube is more resistant to sibilance than other tubes. Have you tried an Amperex? I found that to be much smoother than the Telefunken in my MKU67. |
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Post by Vincent R. on Feb 4, 2022 10:17:56 GMT -6
I feel like Neumann should be the company to take the dive, invest in the R&D, and find a tube manufacturer who can recreate the VF14 and AC701k. Can you imagine what that would do for those struggling to keep their vintage mics alive? Or what it would do if Neumann was able to re-release their classics, the U47, M49, and M269? I imagine they are afraid the clone/replica market will prohibit them from making the money they should, as these mics would most likely need to be in the 10K range. I've heard the argument that about the expense of this, but there is obviously a market for these tubes if they could be recreated with even a 90% sonic accuracy. I imagine even a 90% accurate AC701k would be better than a 6S6B-V or 5840.
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Post by aremos on Feb 4, 2022 11:05:37 GMT -6
The U67 (RI2, RI1, Original) is a great all-around mic that can "tame" just about any voice. Definitely surpasses the U87. Agree with you! The only thing that sometimes bothers me is the sibilance issues especially when i add a high shelf in my u67 reissue. I still can't get used to how it handles sibilants. Sometimes they sound nicely smoothed, but also sometimes they are very prominent and sound unnatural. Without a high shelf, everything seems to be fine, but the sound is quite dark. I don't know if it's all in my head, but in omni mode the sibilants are even more pronounced. Also, I noticed that the stock tube is more resistant to sibilance than other tubes. Absolutely! Agree 100% with you & it’s also been my experience. End up sometimes pasting “S’s” from other mics. |
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Post by ericn on Feb 4, 2022 12:00:55 GMT -6
I feel like Neumann should be the company to take the dive, invest in the R&D, and find a tube manufacturer who can recreate the VF14 and AC701k. Can you imagine what that would do for those struggling to keep their vintage mics alive? Or what it would do if Neumann was able to re-release their classics, the U47, M49, and M269? I imagine they are afraid the clone/replica market will prohibit them from making the money they should, as these mics would most likely need to be in the 10K range. I've heard the argument that about the expense of this, but there is obviously a market for these tubes if they could be recreated with even a 90% sonic accuracy. I imagine even a 90% accurate AC701k would be better than a 6S6B-V or 5840. The problem is for the investment there is long term return. Both The AC701 and VF14 are pretty much exclusively used in mics and in singles. If you look at the tubes that either the Russians or Chinese have put back in production have uses other than pro audio ( consumers) and are used in multiples so there is a market. Add in the fact that you have to get it right, it just ain’t going to happen. |
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Post by recordingengineer on Feb 4, 2022 12:20:50 GMT -6
To take your words, Vincent R, I feel like Neumann should be the company to take the dive, invest in the R&D and manufacturing of solid-state “tubes” to recreate the true sounds of the VF14 and AC701k, as pretty-well already mentioned. I believe that’s a better and more likely scenario anyhow. Plus, it keeps Neumann moving-forward, which is clear, that’s what they’re interested in and keeps them with a solid leg in their legacy.
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Post by Vincent R. on Feb 4, 2022 13:22:34 GMT -6
I feel like Neumann should be the company to take the dive, invest in the R&D, and find a tube manufacturer who can recreate the VF14 and AC701k. Can you imagine what that would do for those struggling to keep their vintage mics alive? Or what it would do if Neumann was able to re-release their classics, the U47, M49, and M269? I imagine they are afraid the clone/replica market will prohibit them from making the money they should, as these mics would most likely need to be in the 10K range. I've heard the argument that about the expense of this, but there is obviously a market for these tubes if they could be recreated with even a 90% sonic accuracy. I imagine even a 90% accurate AC701k would be better than a 6S6B-V or 5840. The problem is for the investment there is long term return. Both The AC701 and VF14 are pretty much exclusively used in mics and in singles. If you look at the tubes that either the Russians or Chinese have put back in production have uses other than pro audio ( consumers) and are used in multiples so there is a market. Add in the fact that you have to get it right, it just ain’t going to happen. True, but if they were actively produced they could be introduced into new tube based products. Hey, I realize I'm a dreamer. It's why I do what I do. |
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Post by ericn on Feb 4, 2022 14:25:48 GMT -6
The problem is for the investment there is long term return. Both The AC701 and VF14 are pretty much exclusively used in mics and in singles. If you look at the tubes that either the Russians or Chinese have put back in production have uses other than pro audio ( consumers) and are used in multiples so there is a market. Add in the fact that you have to get it right, it just ain’t going to happen. True, but if they were actively produced they could be introduced into new tube based products. Hey, I realize I'm a dreamer. It's why I do what I do. Of course you do have to realize They have never made a tube or Semi conductor. They would have to hire the department staff, the staff to develop production, and production staff. Sorry that isn’t going to happen. |
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Post by Chad on Jun 4, 2022 12:38:42 GMT -6
Is it possible that Neumann would release the M49 using the early circuit which used an MSC2 Tube? Klaus Heyne gives details about this on his forum: repforums.prosoundweb.com/index.php?topic=5534.0The MSC2 is the tube that Mike Castoro of Wunder Audio chose for the CM49 Suprema. I chatted with him yesterday, and it is his opinion that the Telefunken Cross Reference MSC2 is superior to the AC701. I can’t debate that last part, as it’s Mike’s opinion. I was just reaching out to him for my personal education from reading Wunder’s own literature about their choice in using the MSC2 tube. |
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Post by EmRR on Jun 5, 2022 12:53:27 GMT -6
Seems unlikely, another rare and expensive tube.
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Post by chessparov on Jun 19, 2022 13:16:27 GMT -6
Word just in via Thrill Factor/Another website... Expected availability of M49 RI, around August. Around $8500 Street. Interested deemed reliable, but nor guaranteed. Chris |
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Post by drbill on Jun 19, 2022 13:58:28 GMT -6
Word just in via Thrill Factor/Another website... Expected availability of M49 RI, around September. Around $8500 Street. Interested deemed reliable, but nor guaranteed.  Chris any news on the tube Chris? If it was/is AC701, that is killer! |
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Post by Quint on Jun 19, 2022 14:04:02 GMT -6
Word just in via Thrill Factor/Another website... Expected availability of M49 RI, around September. Around $8500 Street. Interested deemed reliable, but nor guaranteed. Chris Damn.... I might have to sell some shit. |
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Post by chessparov on Jun 19, 2022 15:03:27 GMT -6
If I wasn't figuring out my potential hospital expenses... Had my eye on some things around 10% of the Reissue cost.  Guessing they have a tube stockpile. Klaus hinted they may, on that particular thread. As in "don't be surprised" kinda vibe. Of course, I still have all those mint NOS VF-14's! Chris |
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Post by michaelcleary on Jun 19, 2022 17:36:05 GMT -6
If I wasn't figuring out my potential hospital expenses... Had my eye on some things around 10% of the Reissue cost. Guessing they have a tube stockpile. Klaus hinted they may, on that particular thread. As in "don't be surprised" kinda vibe. Of course, I still have all those mint NOS VF-14's! Chris There is no AC701 stockpile. As mentioned earlier that will not be the tube due to scarcity. But, Klaus has been involved with the development of this mic from the beginning so it will be up to his specs. |
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Post by chessparov on Jun 19, 2022 18:11:10 GMT -6
Hmm... Sounds like Klausified information then. BTW model name is M49V. Planned distribution is 25 microphones per month-World wide. Price is "Introductory". Main US dealer to be Sweetwater. Seems like a Low Supply/Extreme Demand scenario to me. Chris |
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Post by aremos on Jun 19, 2022 18:44:24 GMT -6
Word just in via Thrill Factor/Another website... Expected availability of M49 RI, around August. Around $8500 Street. Interested deemed reliable, but nor guaranteed. Chris Plz elaborate. I know you joke around, & you're good at it (great sarcastic "shots"), but is this serious? |
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Post by michaelcleary on Jun 19, 2022 18:55:03 GMT -6
Word just in via Thrill Factor/Another website... Expected availability of M49 RI, around August. Around $8500 Street. Interested deemed reliable, but nor guaranteed. Chris Plz elaborate. I know you joke around, & you're good at it (great sarcastic "shots"), but is this serious? he's not joking. |
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Post by michaelcleary on Jun 19, 2022 19:12:23 GMT -6
Hmm... Sounds like Klausified information then. BTW model name is M49V. Planned distribution is 25 microphones per month-World wide. Price is "Introductory". Main US dealer to be Sweetwater. Seems like a Low Supply/Extreme Demand scenario to me. Chris Yes and no. More will be revealed. |
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Post by chessparov on Jun 19, 2022 20:16:10 GMT -6
Thanks Michael. M49 and Neumann U47 w/M7, along with U67 & 269... Are among my top "Fantasy Mics". Am hoping a studio in South OC, will snag a M49V. Chris P.S. Thanks Aremos, but don't worry. I'll be back on goofball mode soon enough! |
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Post by drbill on Jun 19, 2022 20:33:22 GMT -6
No AC701 is probably a deal killer for me. Klaus or no Klaus.
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