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Post by chessparov on Jun 19, 2022 20:43:19 GMT -6
Gee now I feel guilty, putting a 701 in my MXL V69.
Chris
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Post by aremos on Jun 19, 2022 21:32:07 GMT -6
No AC701 is probably a deal killer for me. Klaus or no Klaus. Yes, that would be the main point in deciding! Do you know anything about that MSC2 valve that had been used?
I know Horch, when they first came out with the RM2 (& beginnings of the RM2J), went to a different "mini" valve (forgot the name) when the AC701's were becoming hard to find & before transitioning to an EF86.
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Post by drbill on Jun 20, 2022 0:52:11 GMT -6
No AC701 is probably a deal killer for me. Klaus or no Klaus. Yes, that would be the main point in deciding! Do you know anything about that MSC2 valve that had been used?
I know Horch, when they first came out with the RM2 (& beginnings of the RM2J), went to a different "mini" valve (forgot the name) when the AC701's were becoming hard to find & before transitioning to an EF86.
Nope. I don't know anything about that tube. But I do know that any mic I've ever tried that was tubed with an AC701 (54, 53, 49, 249, 269, etc.) has completely blown me away. I can't consistently say that about a U47 or U67 or any other mic I've tried. The only common denominator was the AC701. Maybe I was just freakishly lucky and those mics were just one off's. Dunno. I want a pair of M49's or 249's that are AC701 legit powered. I'll probably never have them though. Too far out of reach now. The times I've used those at Capitol and Conway and elsewhere have just been magical and inspiring. Almost audio-life-changing. Capitol's M249 up against Frank's U47/8? Pffft. I'll take the 249 all day long and twice on Sunday's....  Conway's M49's out in front of a big band? Better than being in the room right in front of the band. Amazing..... Would love to hear Chris's 701 Powered V69 with HIM singing!! Heh heh |
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Post by chessparov on Jun 20, 2022 2:22:56 GMT -6
Well you asked for it! It's actually a (back in 2020) "one take" V69 Practice Vocal... With a genuine imitation (Chinese) AC701! They're getting better all the time. Chris |
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Post by Chad on Jun 20, 2022 6:17:26 GMT -6
Is it possible that Neumann would release the M49 using the early circuit which used an MSC2 Tube? Klaus Heyne gives details about this on his forum: repforums.prosoundweb.com/index.php?topic=5534.0The MSC2 is the tube that Mike Castoro of Wunder Audio chose for the CM49 Suprema. I chatted with him yesterday, and it is his opinion that the Telefunken Cross Reference MSC2 is superior to the AC701. I can’t debate that last part, as it’s Mike’s opinion. I was just reaching out to him for my personal education from reading Wunder’s own literature about their choice in using the MSC2 tube. ^^^^ aremos on page 5 of this M49 Reissue thread, I brought up the MSC2 Tube. Most likely a dead end, but just wanted to point that out. |
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Post by brenta on Jun 20, 2022 14:28:40 GMT -6
My guess is it will be designed to use a compatible tube so that the end user can choose to put an AC701 tube in there if they choose to.
I’m interested to compare one of these to my M49 clone with Neumann capsule. A custom build with Neumann parts is easily the better value but people want the Neumann marketed product of course.
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Post by ericn on Jun 20, 2022 14:39:40 GMT -6
Yes, that would be the main point in deciding! Do you know anything about that MSC2 valve that had been used?
I know Horch, when they first came out with the RM2 (& beginnings of the RM2J), went to a different "mini" valve (forgot the name) when the AC701's were becoming hard to find & before transitioning to an EF86.
Nope. I don't know anything about that tube. But I do know that any mic I've ever tried that was tubed with an AC701 (54, 53, 49, 249, 269, etc.) has completely blown me away. I can't consistently say that about a U47 or U67 or any other mic I've tried. The only common denominator was the AC701. Maybe I was just freakishly lucky and those mics were just one off's. Dunno. I want a pair of M49's or 249's that are AC701 legit powered. I'll probably never have them though. Too far out of reach now. The times I've used those at Capitol and Conway and elsewhere have just been magical and inspiring. Almost audio-life-changing. Capitol's M249 up against Frank's U47/8? Pffft. I'll take the 249 all day long and twice on Sunday's.... Conway's M49's out in front of a big band? Better than being in the room right in front of the band. Amazing..... Would love to hear Chris's 701 Powered V69 with HIM singing!! Heh heh I’m going to side with Bill on this one but for different reasons. While the 49 has some traction in the pop world it really is found more in the land of scoring, Classical and Jazz. Even with an endorsement from Klaus a remake with a non original tube is going to be looked at in the same way a Flea or other clone is viewed. Even if it says Neumann on it. For the core audience a 49V is probably going to be viewed the same way a AKG VR is, close but not the real deal and at around $9K it’s going to be a hard sell. |
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Post by ml on Jun 20, 2022 15:15:30 GMT -6
Neumann really needs a custom shop where you can configure with special NOS tubes and parts. That would be awesome!
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Post by chessparov on Jun 20, 2022 16:07:45 GMT -6
I guess the M49V, might also mean it's best with...
A 49 Volt phantom power supply
AND a a compartment for 9 Volt batteries.
(Like those ancient 87's)
Then I could take it to the beach!
Especially if it's USB. Hopefully, batteries included.
Chris
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Post by chessparov on Jun 23, 2022 12:07:59 GMT -6
Latest word via Thrill...
Expect availability to drop to around 10/month, due to supply issues.
(Partly the War in Ukraine)
It won't be like the U67 Reissue, much more low key marketing.
Chris
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Post by Chad on Jun 23, 2022 13:09:19 GMT -6
Latest word via Thrill... Expect availability to drop to around 10/month, due to supply issues. (Partly the War in Ukraine) It won't be like the U67 Reissue, much more low key marketing. Chris Thanks, chessparov! Question: How reliable of a source is "Thrill"? |
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Post by chessparov on Jun 23, 2022 14:57:41 GMT -6
Sure!  Quite reliable. In my other life... Was a residential real estate agent. On our Multiple Listing printouts it read... "Reliable but not guaranteed".  BTW as mentioned earlier, personally am in the "inspired by"/eventually budget for" category on some of these icons. Short list includes 49 and 67/269 styles |
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Post by michaelcleary on Jun 23, 2022 16:43:23 GMT -6
Latest word via Thrill... Expect availability to drop to around 10/month, due to supply issues. (Partly the War in Ukraine) It won't be like the U67 Reissue, much more low key marketing. Chris Just to clarify, he said "1. Originally the idea was to produce 25 mics a month and now the number will be much, much, much less. 10 mics for the entire US is what Ive been told now, that's right just 10 mics. Why? Because the war between Russia and Ukraine has made obtaining some parts in those countries impossible now." The plan is to produce 25 mics/month worldwide. The americas will get 10 mics/month so that includes Canada, the US and South America. he also said "If someone in the US thinks they might want one, the smart thing is to contact your dealer now and put the order in from what I heard. Once the first 10 orders in that's it for a long time, unless you live in a different country and there are smaller amounts in those places." which is sage advice but then he makes it sound like the US is only getting 10 mics, which isn't correct. It's kind of like that game of telephone where info gets slightly altered as it goes down the line.... |
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Post by ericn on Jun 23, 2022 16:49:05 GMT -6
Latest word via Thrill... Expect availability to drop to around 10/month, due to supply issues. (Partly the War in Ukraine) It won't be like the U67 Reissue, much more low key marketing. Chris Just to clarify, he said "1. Originally the idea was to produce 25 mics a month and now the number will be much, much, much less. 10 mics for the entire US is what Ive been told now, that's right just 10 mics. Why? Because the war between Russia and Ukraine has made obtaining some parts in those countries impossible now." The plan is to produce 25 mics/month worldwide. The americas will get 10 mics/month so that includes Canada, the US and South America. he also said "If someone in the US thinks they might want one, the smart thing is to contact your dealer now and put the order in from what I heard. Once the first 10 orders in that's it for a long time, unless you live in a different country and there are smaller amounts in those places." which is sage advice but then he makes it sound like the US is only getting 10 mics, which isn't correct. It's kind of like that game of telephone where info gets slightly altered as it goes down the line.... No Dealer is going to take an order till there is firm information. |
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Post by chessparov on Jun 23, 2022 17:05:25 GMT -6
Thanks Michael.
Chris
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Post by michaelcleary on Jun 23, 2022 17:56:21 GMT -6
Just to clarify, he said "1. Originally the idea was to produce 25 mics a month and now the number will be much, much, much less. 10 mics for the entire US is what Ive been told now, that's right just 10 mics. Why? Because the war between Russia and Ukraine has made obtaining some parts in those countries impossible now." The plan is to produce 25 mics/month worldwide. The americas will get 10 mics/month so that includes Canada, the US and South America. he also said "If someone in the US thinks they might want one, the smart thing is to contact your dealer now and put the order in from what I heard. Once the first 10 orders in that's it for a long time, unless you live in a different country and there are smaller amounts in those places." which is sage advice but then he makes it sound like the US is only getting 10 mics, which isn't correct. It's kind of like that game of telephone where info gets slightly altered as it goes down the line.... No Dealer is going to take an order till there is firm information. FYI, Dealers already have a bunch on order. Pricing already went out but there is an embargo until August. Keeping the scarcity in mind, it makes sense that some dealers are planning to get some committed before the official launch. |
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Post by aremos on Jun 23, 2022 20:12:12 GMT -6
So, let's place an order on something that isn't described or defined? We still don't know anything about the tube or other specifics?
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Post by Quint on Jun 23, 2022 20:17:12 GMT -6
So, let's place an order on something that isn't described or defined? We still don't know anything about the tube or other specifics? Yeah, there will be a mad scramble anyway, amongst dentists and collectors, but there's no way I'd want to put up that kind of money ahead of time without knowing anything about the specifics of the build. Also, as much as I'd like to own one for romantic reasons, I can't actually justify spending that kind of money. Or I should say, I don't "think" I can justify spending that kind of money. I guess you never know. I'd certainly have to sell some shit. $9k-ish is a lot for ONE mic. |
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Post by recordingengineer on Jun 24, 2022 2:40:23 GMT -6
To be honest, this all smells terrible, all the way around. Everything about it, I’ve got to pinch my nose. Should all this turn out to be true, I just may puke. You’d think this is a one-man operation with a business plan of targeting nothing but the absolute highest of all elites, worldwide. Have at it. I won’t even pretend to participate. Let us know when it’s time to get serious.
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Post by chessparov on Jun 24, 2022 12:50:07 GMT -6
IMHO I'm glad Neumann coming out with the 49 again. More people will experience it. If/when any hit the used market over time... At least they'll be more of them around. Well maybe. Chris |
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Post by Vincent R. on Jun 24, 2022 15:15:07 GMT -6
In the mean time I’ll be over here recording with my beautiful sounding pair of FleA 49s.
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Post by ji43 on Jun 27, 2022 12:55:04 GMT -6
Very interested to learn about the tube. What I've heard so far is that there will be a switch to take out the 30hz HPF (and have it go down to 12hz) - is this essentially an S2 switch? I know that snipping the S2 wire in the U67 was recommended, so it sounds Neumann is now putting the HPF on a switch.
Also I heard there will be a switch for cardiod that will give it 2db more output and 3db less noise from the traditional multipattern cardiod setting.
Didn't hear anything about the tube choice.
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Post by michaelcleary on Jun 27, 2022 14:14:58 GMT -6
Very interested to learn about the tube. What I've heard so far is that there will be a switch to take out the 30hz HPF (and have it go down to 12hz) - is this essentially an S2 switch? I know that snipping the S2 wire in the U67 was recommended, so it sounds Neumann is now putting the HPF on a switch. Also I heard there will be a switch for cardiod that will give it 2db more output and 3db less noise from the traditional multipattern cardiod setting. Didn't hear anything about the tube choice. Yes, this is an S2 wire and both of these options will be factory mods that would have to be requested when ordering. |
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Post by ji43 on Jun 27, 2022 15:02:45 GMT -6
Very interested to learn about the tube. What I've heard so far is that there will be a switch to take out the 30hz HPF (and have it go down to 12hz) - is this essentially an S2 switch? I know that snipping the S2 wire in the U67 was recommended, so it sounds Neumann is now putting the HPF on a switch. Also I heard there will be a switch for cardiod that will give it 2db more output and 3db less noise from the traditional multipattern cardiod setting. Didn't hear anything about the tube choice. Yes, this is an S2 wire and both of these options will be factory mods that would have to be requested when ordering. From my understanding they are switchable options that will come standard with the M49v and not options that must be requested. |
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Post by michaelcleary on Jun 27, 2022 15:26:15 GMT -6
Yes, this is an S2 wire and both of these options will be factory mods that would have to be requested when ordering. From my understanding they are switchable options that will come standard with the M49v and not options that must be requested. Nope. I would get in trouble for posting unreleased marketing info so just trust me on this. I just want to correct any misinformation. |
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Conway's M49's out in front of a big band? Better than being in the room right in front of the band. Amazing.....
Quite reliable. In my other life...
