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Post by Vincent R. on Jan 2, 2022 15:27:37 GMT -6
Did I already mention I won’t be able to afford the $7500 it will take to buy this? I keep trying to convince my wife that the mic is less than the therapy I’ll need if I can’t get one😎 I’ve started the conversation over here. It’s all about the details and what I’m willing to sell to make this happen. We shall see how things unfold. |
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Post by Tbone81 on Jan 2, 2022 16:41:01 GMT -6
I keep trying to convince my wife that the mic is less than the therapy I’ll need if I can’t get one😎 I’ve started the conversation over here. It’s all about the details and what I’m willing to sell to make this happen. We shall see how things unfold. Famous last words *wakes up in an ice bath missing a kidney* Lol |
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Post by plinker on Jan 3, 2022 8:27:11 GMT -6
Well in europe at least you can still find the rare deal on originals. 6 months ago I was offered a vintage M49 for 7,700 dollars. I actually turned it down simply because it was a later one with the red dot instead of jewel but it had the original yoke and power supply. For most husbands, the red dot they experience... Will be aimed at their forehead, from their wife's rifle!   Chris Happy New Year, Chris! |
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Post by Chad on Jan 3, 2022 15:39:45 GMT -6
What if Neumann goes down the Mic Modeling route and the mic is a solid state M49 with a Townsend/Slate/UA interface and plugins??
(That would be a real let down in my book.)
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Post by chessparov on Jan 3, 2022 15:49:07 GMT -6
For most husbands, the red dot they experience... Will be aimed at their forehead, from their wife's rifle!   Chris Happy New Year, Chris! Thanks Plinker! You too. Chris |
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Post by Ward on Jan 3, 2022 19:45:59 GMT -6
The institution of marriage certainly has its limitations.
Limitations on our dreams and desires.
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Post by OtisGreying on Jan 3, 2022 20:17:36 GMT -6
What if Neumann goes down the Mic Modeling route and the mic is a solid state M49 with a Townsend/Slate/UA interface and plugins?? (That would be a real let down in my book.) That'd be too bad. UA is trying to become the Apple of recording gear I think, they're getting so big they just want to cash in on everything involving software. Emulation software is so stupidly profitable and an easy sell to most..
"Here's a U47, Elam 251, and C12 for 300$" (they'll sell a ton and then have a V2, V3 and V4 guaranteed for another 300 a piece year after year)
Not to say it won't be useful/good, or it wouldn't be useful if Neumann did it, but it just screams great business and not so great for the person whos stacked up on a bunch of software that they'll be persuaded into upgrading over and over and still not have the real deal and by that time they could have bought some great physical pieces that will stand the test of time, anyway
In any case I dont think Neumann would go that route
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Post by plinker on Jan 3, 2022 21:16:58 GMT -6
The institution of marriage certainly has its limitations. Limitations on our dreams and desires. I was going to be a wildly unsuccessful pornstar...until marriage got in the way. |
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Post by Ward on Jan 3, 2022 22:17:12 GMT -6
The institution of marriage certainly has its limitations. Limitations on our dreams and desires. I was going to be a wildly unsuccessful pornstar...until marriage got in the way. I remember that. Your audition was great! It sucks that Ron Jeremy and Elizabeth Starr weren't interested. But at least that saved your marriage. |
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Post by christophert on Jan 4, 2022 3:48:46 GMT -6
Everyone is frothing over the M49... I just hope that Andreas Grosser or Klaus are hired to refine them up to the great standard that Neumann once was. I don't believe they have the standards they used to have. Either way - if I was to purchase one, I would send it straight to Andreas, Klaus or Gunter Wagner before it came to me  |
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Post by Vincent R. on Jan 4, 2022 5:01:03 GMT -6
What if Neumann goes down the Mic Modeling route and the mic is a solid state M49 with a Townsend/Slate/UA interface and plugins?? (That would be a real let down in my book.) I am not sold on emulation microphones. I think they would be better off with a transformerless tube design with a switch which allowed for a circuitry frequency response change that emulated the M49 or U47 depending on the switch position. I think something like that would work better than plug-in emulations, even if it is a bit on the cleaner side. If you ever open up a TLM67 or TLM49 you can see there is not much to them. I think you could easily add a second circuit, a tube stage for the warmth and intimacy needed, throw in their real K49 capsule, and you could get something very cool. Probably a little different than the originals, but probably very good. |
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Post by plinker on Jan 4, 2022 8:15:25 GMT -6
I was going to be a wildly unsuccessful pornstar...until marriage got in the way. I remember that. Your audition was great! It sucks that Ron Jeremy and Elizabeth Starr weren't interested. But at least that saved your marriage. Elizabeth Starr sucked... |
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Post by Ward on Jan 4, 2022 9:55:16 GMT -6
I remember that. Your audition was great! It sucks that Ron Jeremy and Elizabeth Starr weren't interested. But at least that saved your marriage. Elizabeth Starr sucked... LMAO . . . That might be true, but one of her exes is a member here, so mind your tongue. (no way I'm revealing who, and it ain't me) HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH |
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Post by plinker on Jan 4, 2022 10:11:21 GMT -6
Elizabeth Starr sucked... LMAO . . . That might be true, but one of her exes is a member here, so mind your tongue. (no way I'm revealing who, and it ain't me) HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Well, I was being literal/factual, not a comment on her skills. ...and now, you've opened one-hell-of-a can of worms! |
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Post by Ward on Jan 5, 2022 8:04:18 GMT -6
LMAO . . . That might be true, but one of her exes is a member here, so mind your tongue. (no way I'm revealing who, and it ain't me) HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Well, I was being literal/factual, not a comment on her skills. ...and now, you've opened one-hell-of-a can of worms! shutting up now. |
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Post by musicalnyc on Feb 2, 2022 17:37:09 GMT -6
Any update on this? Tube? Release date?
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Post by timcampbell on Feb 2, 2022 18:53:39 GMT -6
What if Neumann goes down the Mic Modeling route and the mic is a solid state M49 with a Townsend/Slate/UA interface and plugins?? (That would be a real let down in my book.) I had a conversation with Neumann engineers the last time I was in Berlin about mic modelling right before I helped with the Antelope modelling mic. Though they weren't sold on the idea they did admit they have the knowledge and experience to do it better than others.
They are caught between a rock and a hard place. If they put out a modelling mic everyone will rant about that there is nothing left of Neumann's former heritage/quality and so they are no better than their competition and if they make a copy of one of their vintage models that deviates in any way from the original they will be branded with making a too expensive clone.
People can't even agree that the U67 re-issue sounds as good as the original and desrves the high price tag.
The scarce availability of AC701 tubes almost guarantees they will have to choose another tube.
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Post by plinker on Feb 2, 2022 20:57:31 GMT -6
We shot-out a brand new U67 reissue against a large number of good, great, decent mics on vocals -- the 67 was a turd. One of those, "maybe it'll sound perfect on EG with some EQ." According to mythology, that's not what how that mic should be described.
Maybe it was just that mic. Maybe the rest of us didn't understand what we should appreciate.
But it sounded like dull poop that would need a helping of EQ.
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Post by Ward on Feb 3, 2022 10:17:23 GMT -6
We shot-out a brand new U67 reissue against a large number of good, great, decent mics on vocals -- the 67 was a turd. One of those, "maybe it'll sound perfect on EG with some EQ." According to mythology, that's not what how that mic should be described. Maybe it was just that mic. Maybe the rest of us didn't understand what we should appreciate. But it sounded like dull poop that would need a helping of EQ. It's just a natural honest capture. I would call it un-hyped. Un-Chinese. Un-Behr-----r. It's a beautiful microphone on all the voices it suits. But it doesn't give you the excitement of a Telefunken AR251, for example. |
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Post by plinker on Feb 3, 2022 10:29:23 GMT -6
We shot-out a brand new U67 reissue against a large number of good, great, decent mics on vocals -- the 67 was a turd. One of those, "maybe it'll sound perfect on EG with some EQ." According to mythology, that's not what how that mic should be described. Maybe it was just that mic. Maybe the rest of us didn't understand what we should appreciate. But it sounded like dull poop that would need a helping of EQ. It's just a natural honest capture. I would call it un-hyped. Un-Chinese. Un-Behr-----r. It's a beautiful microphone on all the voices it suits. But it doesn't give you the excitement of a Telefunken AR251, for example. Thanks, Ward. So, it's a flat-ish response mic that takes EQ well, while providing tooby goodness? |
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Post by Vincent R. on Feb 3, 2022 11:24:59 GMT -6
It's just a natural honest capture. I would call it un-hyped. Un-Chinese. Un-Behr-----r. It's a beautiful microphone on all the voices it suits. But it doesn't give you the excitement of a Telefunken AR251, for example. Thanks, Ward. So, it's a flat-ish response mic that takes EQ well, while providing tooby goodness? Yeah, the U67 in general is perfect for a big, bright, forward sounding soprano voice like my wife's, but dull on a warm, full voice like mine. I only have a modded MK U67 here, but its close enough for the comparison. Funny enough, I use it often when recording pop styled vocals, when I let more air in my voice and lighten it up. I do tend to give it a little push with EQ though when mixing though; a little air, a little presence. Still I can't tell you how many session vocals I've done where it was chosen over my U87ai and FleA 49 after I provided samples. |
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Post by drbill on Feb 3, 2022 12:04:45 GMT -6
The scarce availability of AC701 tubes almost guarantees they will have to choose another tube.
Then I'd humbly suggest they ditch the effort. Or choose another mic to revisit. An M49 without a AC701 is not an M49. They could use another tube and call it.....um....an M 149. Oh wait..... |
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Post by stevenlmorgan on Feb 3, 2022 12:29:35 GMT -6
Since we are onto the U67 Reissue topic and some experiences don’t match mine, I am dropping in this link to a 67 Reissue vocal mix with no EQ, full chain is called out. For this vocal with Johanna the 67 beat my Josephson C725 which usually wins on her vocals. Female vocal 67 Reissue > Pueblo JR > SOC-M -6 dB +6 dB > SOC-M -2 dB +2 dB Male vocal 67 Reissue > Pueblo JR > DBC-M -6 dB +6 dB > SOC-M -2 dB +2 dB M7 in parallel - Troy Hall > Pueblo stereo attenuator All summed to Pueblo SideWinder All via Aurora(n) 96/24 soundcloud.app.goo.gl/azreLMH2k2PdSfR29 |
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Post by chessparov on Feb 3, 2022 13:12:28 GMT -6
Soyuz 017 Tube, is in the "lush" family.
Tube and the "tighter" FET are modern Classics IMHO.
Chris
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Post by ericn on Feb 3, 2022 14:59:19 GMT -6
The scarce availability of AC701 tubes almost guarantees they will have to choose another tube.
Then I'd humbly suggest they ditch the effort. Or choose another mic to revisit. An M49 without a AC701 is not an M49. They could use another tube and call it.....um....an M 149. Oh wait..... Yeah, the only thing I can think of is doing a Solid State “Decca mod “ reissue. My hunch is the AC701 is what keeps us from getting a solid confirmation. I think Neumann has heard the same stories we all have about large quantities, but when they go to make a deal they don’t exist. |
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