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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 1, 2022 23:42:45 GMT -6
The gain on the 102 is so much lower than the 103, it just didn't feel like a Neumann to me. When I briefly compared them both to each other and to a U87ai, the 103 was closer to the 87. Of course, the U87 was in a different league. My friend just bought a 103, so I'll get to see how he does with it.
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Post by Ward on Oct 2, 2022 10:59:14 GMT -6
I generally prefer the TLM 102 over it. Less bright/fuller Mid Range IMHO. For le$$. Chris The 102 is Fabulous percussion mic as well for hand Perc, congas and timbales. And works like a charm on Femvox. |
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Post by chessparov on Oct 2, 2022 14:46:44 GMT -6
Sounds like it would be a good mic, for more percussive singing.
Ala Rap/Hip Hop.
VO?
Chris
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Post by mike on Oct 2, 2022 15:32:44 GMT -6
M49V vs. M49C vs. TLM103 on acoustic guitar:
Thanks for sharing. I agree with Ward about how telling a vocal shootout will be and look forward to that video when they do one.
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Post by bdw42 on Oct 26, 2022 15:21:47 GMT -6
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Post by Ward on Oct 26, 2022 15:50:37 GMT -6
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Post by darthvidar on Oct 26, 2022 16:24:52 GMT -6
Hi, this is my first post ever. Thanks to everyone for great info in this thread. I was out of the blue able to get my hands on one of these M49 V’s this week, #161. I sold off a Flea 47 that didn’ get enough mileage to fund it. It has been a busy week, but I tracked both nylon and steel string acoustic guitars for a client with it yesterday. Worked out great. It is truly a quality product. I can’t compare it to vintage Neumanns, but I do have access to a U67 reissue which I love. I know many want to hear vocals through the M49 V. I am a rock drummer with chronic sinus problems, but tonight I recorded a short good night song for my 4yr old since I am going away for a few nights. I put up the two Neumanns mentioned next to each other for fun to record this. Not scientific, cell phone noise, warts n’all :-)…… The M49 V needed a little more gain than the U67RI. They are both factory standard congigurations. Preamps are the same, and the performance is the same. Completely dry/raw files. I dubbed my lower voice underneath the main line as you will hear if interested. It is all good fun, take care. Vidar Pictures: ibb.co/gW1JygJibb.co/Prd7XMHibb.co/F6y6h44ibb.co/zrpFtN7Sound: filebin.net/ob7e82u8q7c9cl6v |
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Post by darthvidar on Oct 26, 2022 16:26:49 GMT -6
And now I don’t get how to get files posted😂
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 26, 2022 16:30:00 GMT -6
And now I don’t get how to get files posted😂 Hey welcome! Try SoundCloud or Google drive. Or - filebin.net/ |
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 26, 2022 16:30:55 GMT -6
I’m sure it’s great! (Looks at price) |
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Post by bdw42 on Oct 26, 2022 21:02:53 GMT -6
Hi, this is my first post ever. Thanks to everyone for great info in this thread. I was out of the blue able to get my hands on one of these M49 V’s this week, #161. I sold off a Flea 47 that didn’ get enough mileage to fund it. It has been a busy week, but I tracked both nylon and steel string acoustic guitars for a client with it yesterday. Worked out great. It is truly a quality product. I can’t compare it to vintage Neumanns, but I do have access to a U67 reissue which I love. I know many want to hear vocals through the M49 V. I am a rock drummer with chronic sinus problems, but tonight I recorded a short good night song for my 4yr old since I am going away for a few nights. I put up the two Neumanns mentioned next to each other for fun to record this. Not scientific, cell phone noise, warts n’all :-)…… The M49 V needed a little more gain than the U67RI. They are both factory standard congigurations. Preamps are the same, and the performance is the same. Completely dry/raw files. I dubbed my lower voice underneath the main line as you will hear if interested. It is all good fun, take care. Vidar Pictures: ibb.co/gW1JygJibb.co/Prd7XMHibb.co/F6y6h44ibb.co/zrpFtN7Sound: filebin.net/ob7e82u8q7c9cl6vWelcome! Thanks for sharing these photos and clips; I enjoyed your recordings! As someone also with a U67 RI, it's great to hear the differences between the two microphones. Both sound fantastic. It seems more and more like Neumann absolutely nailed this reissue. |
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Post by darthvidar on Oct 27, 2022 2:57:18 GMT -6
Thank you, glad to finally be a forum member.
At least to me, they are great microphones. There are so many great choices these days in various price categories, but I am very happy with these « investments».
They are expensive of course, but at least I was lucky to get a great deal and a good payment plan on mine. I didn’ t have a proper preorder.
Hope to be able to post more recordings with it😉.
Have a great day😃!
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Post by paulcheeba on Oct 29, 2022 19:40:39 GMT -6
Still loving my consecutive pair. So deep and chocolatey. Just before I got then I bought some Fleas in a deal and switched the capsules for K49’s. I thought they sounded and felt great but the M49V has some magic in the circuit that softened and LP the tone into magic. The Flea were close but were sharper which was a huge paradigm shift from the F7 which were muddy.
I’ve had BSA m49’s and Horch’s for a few years and they are brighter than the others too depending on the tube etc. but the M49V’s just need switching on and they sound great.
Neumann are on a roll. I just hope they nail the U47 now as they have some magicians up in there.
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Post by ab101 on Oct 29, 2022 20:15:20 GMT -6
I have to say that the Heiserman with the H7 capsule is very smooth, velvetty, silky. I was really surprised. This was the only time I heard my voice with any kind of velvet-silk effect except for an AEA 44 type mic. And I am more of a deep baritone voice and I do not want any more than what the Heiserman does. I am happy I bought the Heiserman with both caps. Both my flea F7 mics are for sale.
I am not sure how Heiserman did it, but based on other 47s I have tried, I doubt the Neumann 47 reissue can be much better, but I am sure it will be a lot more expensive.
I suspect that Heiserman are just real masters at making caps and/or perhaps some other component I do not understand.
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Post by bdw42 on Oct 30, 2022 11:12:35 GMT -6
New vocal shootout between the M49s V & C and TLM 103:
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Post by chessparov on Oct 30, 2022 12:01:38 GMT -6
TLM 103 for the (nice) sounding mic, for the price. (I still would prefer the MG M930 as just one example) 49's for the win!  Chris P.S. He sounds a lot like Barry Gibb. |
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Post by ericn on Oct 30, 2022 13:09:41 GMT -6
TLM 103 for the (nice) sounding mic, for the price. (I still would prefer the MG M930 as just one example) 49's for the win! Chris P.S. He sounds a lot like Barry Gibb. TLM103 is like the SM58 everybody knows it as a reference point and they are consistent as hell |
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Post by recordingengineer on Oct 30, 2022 14:31:53 GMT -6
I still somewhat soon want to feed high constant-current to a 103 to see if it still reacts the same way as my old 4K-5k serial numbered 103s reacted the way they did many years back with a friend. Sound was literally twice as big, but the high-frequency hiss was insane. Then, if it still reacts the same, it’s a matter of looking into whether the 103 can be modded to deal with the noise and still have the same massive sound… Maybe we’ll get to all that sometime next year.
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Post by recordingengineer on Oct 30, 2022 14:33:00 GMT -6
I still somewhat soon want to feed high constant-current to a 103 to see if it still reacts the same way as my old 4K-5k serial numbered 103s reacted the way they did many years back with a friend. Sound was literally twice as big, but the high-frequency hiss was insane. Then, if it still reacts the same, it’s a matter of looking into whether the 103 can be modded to deal with the noise and still have the same massive sound… Maybe we’ll get to all that sometime next year.
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Post by Ward on Oct 31, 2022 5:23:35 GMT -6
Is there any truth to the rumor I just started that the quiet word on the street is a possible U47V or U48V in 2026?
Kidding. I've actually heard this being discussed but doubt it's anything more than just speculation at this point!
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Post by Vincent R. on Oct 31, 2022 6:28:32 GMT -6
Is there any truth to the rumor I just started that the quiet word on the street is a possible U47V or U48V in 2026? Kidding. I've actually heard this being discussed but doubt it's anything more than just speculation at this point! Obviously the big hurdle is the VF14 tube. Neumann was able to take a note from FleA's playbook for the M49V and use the 6S6B-V tube, but there really is no replacement for VF14. They could go with the Russian made 6SJ7 which is an equivalent to the EF14 (not VF14). You find those in the Pearlman TM-47 and Peluso 2247SE. That wouldn't be plug and play with the old VF14 tubes though. They could follow Telefunken's route and use a casing for a glass tube with the same specs at the VF14. Who knows? Whatever they do, they'd better make sure it's darn close sonically. There are too many really good replicas to screw it up. |
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Post by Ward on Oct 31, 2022 6:51:36 GMT -6
TLM 103 for the (nice) sounding mic, for the price. (I still would prefer the MG M930 as just one example) 49's for the win! Chris P.S. He sounds a lot like Barry Gibb. TLM103 is like the SM58 everybody knows it as a reference point and they are consistent as hell like an SM7b. If enough people think it's a good mic, it has to be (rolls stomach here) </sarcasm> |
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Post by Ward on Oct 31, 2022 6:55:30 GMT -6
Is there any truth to the rumor I just started that the quiet word on the street is a possible U47V or U48V in 2026? Kidding. I've actually heard this being discussed but doubt it's anything more than just speculation at this point! Obviously the big hurdle is the VF14 tube. Neumann was able to take a note from FleA's playbook for the M49V and use the 6S6B-V tube, but there really is no replacement for VF14. They could go with the Russian made 6SJ7 which is an equivalent to the EF14 (not VF14). You find those in the Pearlman TM-47 and Peluso 2247SE. That wouldn't be plug and play with the old VF14 tubes though. They could follow Telefunken's route and use a casing for a glass tube with the same specs at the VF14. Who knows? Whatever they do, they'd better make sure it's darn close sonically. There are too many really good replicas to screw it up. How much you wanna speculate that when Sennheiser bought Neumann Berlin, a treasure trove of goodies were found like a crate of unused OG VF14m metal tubes? Maybe 100? Could be . . . that is a real story that has been passed around for a long time. I don't believe it's fact, but would not surprise me if it happened to be the case. |
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Post by Vincent R. on Oct 31, 2022 7:17:14 GMT -6
Obviously the big hurdle is the VF14 tube. Neumann was able to take a note from FleA's playbook for the M49V and use the 6S6B-V tube, but there really is no replacement for VF14. They could go with the Russian made 6SJ7 which is an equivalent to the EF14 (not VF14). You find those in the Pearlman TM-47 and Peluso 2247SE. That wouldn't be plug and play with the old VF14 tubes though. They could follow Telefunken's route and use a casing for a glass tube with the same specs at the VF14. Who knows? Whatever they do, they'd better make sure it's darn close sonically. There are too many really good replicas to screw it up. How much you wanna speculate that when Sennheiser bought Neumann Berlin, a treasure trove of goodies were found like a crate of unused OG VF14m metal tubes? Maybe 100? Could be . . . that is a real story that has been passed around for a long time. I don't believe it's fact, but would not surprise me if it happened to be the case. I'm sure there is some truth to that. They probably do have some spares around. How many is debatable. There are also rumors of high end clients having a brand new pair of U47s made from those spares. I still doubt they would do a limited run like that. I think if they rerelease a U47 reissue they will do what they've done for the U67 and M49V and figure out a way to bring it back for the foreseeable future. There is too much money to be made if Neumann can reintroduce there great mics back to the market. Just look at FleA, Wunder, Telefunken, now Heiserman. They won't be for everyone, but the big studios or even guys like me who want one or two big name mics around. Luckily my FleA 49s stound stellar. Still, I'd love to hear them next to one the the M49Vs. That could be an expensive prospect though. |
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Post by ericn on Oct 31, 2022 8:05:35 GMT -6
TLM103 is like the SM58 everybody knows it as a reference point and they are consistent as hell like an SM7b. If enough people think it's a good mic, it has to be (rolls stomach here) </sarcasm> Just a point of reference that you can walk into any GC and hear. |
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