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Post by thehightenor on Aug 19, 2022 14:00:05 GMT -6
Interesting, it the capsule or housing red in some way? It’s just how Thirsch distinguishes the 2 different diaphragm materials. Yes I checked their website, the housing has a ring of colour - Red or Blue. That’s interesting as my M7 has no coloured ring at all, therefore it might something different. I do love a bit of intrigue  I may email Mike and ask him - direct from the horses mouth so to speak. I’m sure with my serial number he’ll be able to tell me the provenance of my CM7 M7. I noticed the Wunder 49 a MSC2 tube and the same M7 cap as the CM7. Mike describes the MSC2 as an upgrade to the AC701. It seems it’s a case of pick your mic expert to follow and trust! I think I’m going to organise a demo of a 49. This thread has tweaked my interest. |
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Post by michaelcleary on Aug 31, 2022 15:09:19 GMT -6
FYI, The first batch of M49 will be shipping from Germany soon and probable landing late next week, early the following week.
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Post by chessparov on Aug 31, 2022 15:57:38 GMT -6
RE: categorizing the AC701 as neutral or not having that much impact on the sound of the vintage Neumann's..... My experience is pretty much the opposite. I have tried / used / owned a lot of vintage Neumann's in the studio's (I have not owned a U47 though), and my impression is that the AC701 absolutely brings an intangible to the party that cannot be understated. This mystery push to make the unidentified tube the sonic equal of an AC701 definitely leaves me suspicious. -- Kla** or no Kla**. I respect the man immensely, but too much of this smells like marketing to me. I would be SOOOOO happy to be proved wrong, but I honestly don't think so. If this new tube is the equivalent to an AC701, why have so many of the classic Neumann DOA mics not been retrofitted with this *new* tube in the past? If it's a complete match with no change of transformer or other circuitry, Neumann should be proud of their find and should be retrofitting vintage 50's, 49's, 269's, 53's, 54's, etc. with these new (old) equivalent tubes. If that question can be answered to a satisfaction, my doubts may be assuaged - a bit. Until then, I remain wishfully optimistic, but experientially cautious. thehightenor - re: the eventual re-release to the U47 and a VF14 "replacement".... unless I'm mistaken, Kla** has already mentioned that there IS no "acceptable" replacement for the VF14 available. So that would preclude Neumann from a 47 re-release that was a legit "clone" of the original. That or you and Klaus are really in complete agreement, the tone you love is his transparency, and you might like this tube🥸 Who knows ? When it becomes common knowledge you will have to try one. My take, first it will be interesting to see if all 49’s have capsules tensioned to Klaus’s preferred tension and if this becomes standard for K47/49 capsules. Second I think while maybe not dead on copies I think for the money we will realize the Flea is a bargain. So your saying then the FLEA might become a Frontline prescription, for the Vets among us? Chris |
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Post by michaelcleary on Sept 19, 2022 12:23:31 GMT -6
FYI, the first batch of M49 have landed and they are on their way to dealers this week.
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Post by chessparov on Sept 19, 2022 14:51:24 GMT -6
All 2 of them?
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Post by aremos on Sept 19, 2022 17:17:35 GMT -6
FYI, the first batch of M49 have landed and they are on their way to dealers this week. Landed where? |
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Post by michaelcleary on Sept 19, 2022 17:33:48 GMT -6
FYI, the first batch of M49 have landed and they are on their way to dealers this week. Landed where? Landed at Sennheiser/Neumann USA. |
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Post by mics on Sept 19, 2022 18:43:42 GMT -6
Testing these tubes is quite simple. For us at Beesneez, we have a test unit made up that the tube legs clip straight into. We can test up to 4 tubes at a time and it takes 3-4 hours to test each batch. It sounds like a long time but it isn’t really as over the period of a week, we can easily test 100 or so tubes. Regardless of what others are saying, Neumann absolutely are using this tube in the re-issue. Scratching off the print doesn’t make it a different tube It is a great sounding tube so I am not surprised. In average testing, we seem to be QC passing 70 - 80% of these tubes. This is quite a high pass ratio. cheers. If Neumann is really hand picking these tubes, how are they testing them? What is happening to the rejects? Are the rejects back out on the market? Are they soldering them into mics and listening as part of the test? If that is the case, then if someone really wants to know if their tube is as good as the one Klaus says is indistinguishable from the AC701, then it seems that it makes sense to contact Klaus. Another option might be buying the tube from Beesneez or Flea who uses this tube in their mics. But unless they are testing the tube they are selling in a microphone, then I am not sure it is going to be on the level of the hand picked Neumann tube. And yes, Neumann may actually be selecting some tubes and rejecting others. I remember talking to a mic manufacturer about a particular tube, and it was interesting how many were rejected. I am not sure how this applies to the particular tube at issue, in terms of reject rate. As I understand from reading, even some AC701s get rejected. |
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Post by ryguydrum on Sept 19, 2022 18:56:03 GMT -6
They're heeeerrrreee
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Post by michaelcleary on Sept 19, 2022 19:00:14 GMT -6
Sweet. Just curious, where did you order them from? Did they come from the dealer or were they drop shipped directly to you? |
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Post by ryguydrum on Sept 19, 2022 19:03:40 GMT -6
Sweet. Just curious, where did you order them from? Did they come from the dealer or were they drop shipped directly to you? Through the dealer. In my case GC Pro. They shipped to the office here and I went and picked them up this afternoon. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Sept 19, 2022 21:19:41 GMT -6
Wow. Welcome to the forum ryeguydrum and mics !
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Post by ericn on Sept 19, 2022 21:34:25 GMT -6
Landed at Sennheiser/Neumann USA. [br Can you convince Greg it would make a great birthday gift! |
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Post by bdw42 on Sept 30, 2022 11:03:04 GMT -6
M49V vs. M49C vs. TLM103 on acoustic guitar:
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Post by chessparov on Sept 30, 2022 12:33:34 GMT -6
Throwing the 103 in, appeals to my warped sense of humor. Chris |
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Post by ericn on Sept 30, 2022 13:03:34 GMT -6
Throwing the 103 in, appeals to my warped sense of humor. Chris For better or worse every one knows what a 103 sounds like so it works a a point of reference. |
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Post by chessparov on Sept 30, 2022 13:37:56 GMT -6
And they have my sincere condolences.  Chris |
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Post by Ward on Sept 30, 2022 19:16:17 GMT -6
M49V vs. M49C vs. TLM103 on acoustic guitar: What I take from this is that if you take the new M49V and add a bit of the TLM103 to ir, you might get an M49c. Cos there's this great big ball of BEAUTIFUL 950hz centered mid in the M49C that makes your damned ears pop open! But eh V sounds beautiful and Lord knows I love a bit of V |
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Post by chessparov on Oct 1, 2022 11:18:02 GMT -6
In fairness, the TLM 103 sounded nice (but thinner) to me.
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Post by Ward on Oct 1, 2022 12:19:26 GMT -6
In fairness, the TLM 103 sounded nice (but thinner) to me. Chris Surprised me as well. But then, a shoot out on vocals can tell you an awful lot. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 1, 2022 13:46:08 GMT -6
I'd love to hear the same comparison on male vocals. I always thought the TLM 103 sounded like a Neumann should. It is a bit thin, but I bet you could find lots of uses for it. Sometimes a little thin on acoustic guitar in a song with lots of tracks is just what's needed.
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Post by ericn on Oct 1, 2022 14:10:05 GMT -6
I'd love to hear the same comparison on male vocals. I always thought the TLM 103 sounded like a Neumann should. It is a bit thin, but I bet you could find lots of uses for it. Sometimes a little thin on acoustic guitar in a song with lots of tracks is just what's needed. On a full bodied male it can work with a Neve style pre with the right transformers, or a Tube pre that is all about boom in the lower vocal range. The thing is it reveals its warts with the pres trying to be a straight wire with gain, basic IC pres, and starved plate tube pres. The last 2 are what ends up being used because of price point. You can make it almost useable in many cases but you really have to work at it. |
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Post by chessparov on Oct 1, 2022 16:54:13 GMT -6
I generally prefer the TLM 102 over it.
Less bright/fuller Mid Range IMHO.
For le$$.
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Post by michaelcleary on Oct 1, 2022 20:52:52 GMT -6
I generally prefer the TLM 102 over it. Less bright/fuller Mid Range IMHO. For le$$. Chris This. I much prefer the TLM 102 as it works well on a variety of sources. I had a 103 for a minute long ago and it just wasn't right for my voice but it worked great on an acoustic in a dense mix as Martin had mentioned. |
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Post by ericn on Oct 1, 2022 21:03:31 GMT -6
I generally prefer the TLM 102 over it. Less bright/fuller Mid Range IMHO. For le$$. Chris This. I much prefer the TLM 102 as it works well on a variety of sources. I had a 103 for a minute long ago and it just wasn't right for my voice but it worked great on an acoustic in a dense mix as Martin had mentioned. I haven’t had the 102, being the full co alum I bought a used 103 monolith for a song, turned it for a profit because again I’m a full co alum. |
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