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Post by chessparov on Aug 8, 2022 12:11:42 GMT -6
I'm no longer into the "gain stage".
In fact, I've lost another 5 pounds lately.
Despite sometimes being hungry like the wolf.
That's great news Dr. Bill. The mighty U47 is coming back!
No longer just FET up with things.
Chris
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Post by Chad on Aug 8, 2022 16:31:08 GMT -6
I'm no longer into the "gain stage". In fact, I've lost another 5 pounds lately. Despite sometimes being hungry like the wolf. That's great news Dr. Bill. The mighty U47 is coming back! No longer just FET up with things. Chris AKA “The Thread Killer” 😂 (Jk) |
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Post by ericn on Aug 8, 2022 16:33:09 GMT -6
I'm no longer into the "gain stage". In fact, I've lost another 5 pounds lately. Despite sometimes being hungry like the wolf. That's great news Dr. Bill. The mighty U47 is coming back! No longer just FET up with things. Chris AKA “The Thread Killer” 😂 (Jk) That’s mister psycho thread killer, sir 😁 |
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Post by Chad on Aug 8, 2022 16:40:16 GMT -6
That’s mister psycho thread killer, sir 😁 👊🏻😉👍🏻 |
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Post by wiz on Aug 8, 2022 17:04:19 GMT -6
I don't get it. Tons of early and ancient equipment here, no noise sweet spots to chase. Rarely a question, and I do a lot of delicate acoustic music. My headphone path has 10x the hiss of even my 1932 condenser mic. Yeah but you know how to gain stage, the average guy simply asks “ just tell me what knob to turn up and down.” I know it sounds way over simplified but in my gear pimp days that was at least 2 calls a day. Just yesterday I was called out by my brother ... to head over to his ukulele group because their PA had blown up and stopped working. When I got there , they were already using a Roland cube for the leader to talk sing through.. The PA was in a cupboard out the back.... long story short...I tested all their gear.. all their leads and couldn't find a problem. When they had their coffee break I took all the gear back into their performance room.. . and got them to set it up (critical point from my old trouble shooting days ) and they plugged it all in... and turned everything on , and said "see its not working!!"... I said I could see the problem, and asked them if they could have another look and see if they could spot it... After a couple of minutes, they said no... I leaned over and turned the master fader up. cheers Wiz |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2022 17:19:21 GMT -6
Probably trying to find a finance underwriter with competitive rates to shift them going by the current rate of prices. I wouldn't be totally shocked if we saw Neumann Financial Services on the horizon, it'll become akin to selling cars.
Would you like to add Neumann clear coat ultimate protection for $500.00? Uber shockmount pro for $1K? How's about GAP insurance?
I'll stop, I'm probably giving them ideas.
Nah they don’t have to, find me a Neumann dealer without a “house brand “ credit card program. Plus let me tell you pro audio / MI has the highest credit rejection rate, true story! That was a joke Eric but on said topic it's more than common for large manufacturers to create their own credit facilities, it's just a loss of profit if they don't and due to volume (plus some "deals") manufacturers tend to beat generic underwriters like banks. The average rate is 9.9% here which adds up, we're talking about $1700.00 profit roughly gained from a U67 on a 24 month scheme.
It all depends on volume, I keep getting told by retailers that high end audio equipment is a low profit small sales endeavour. However Thomann alone earns on average over a billion a year, if it is squarely prosumer how many Apollo interfaces and T.Bone mic's would you have to sell to earn that sort of dosh? Also according to the purple site 8/10 people have a million dollar studio. 
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Post by Chad on Aug 8, 2022 17:34:54 GMT -6
Nah they don’t have to, find me a Neumann dealer without a “house brand “ credit card program. Plus let me tell you pro audio / MI has the highest credit rejection rate, true story! That was a joke Eric but on said topic it's more than common for large manufacturers to create their own credit facilities, it's just a loss of profit if they don't and due to volume (plus some "deals") manufacturers tend to beat generic underwriters like banks. The average rate is 9.9% here which adds up, we're talking about $1700.00 profit roughly gained from a U67 on a 24 month scheme.
It all depends on volume, I keep getting told by retailers that high end audio equipment is a low profit small sales endeavour. However Thomann alone earns on average over a billion a year, if it is squarely prosumer how many Apollo interfaces and T.Bone mic's would you have to sell to earn that sort of dosh? Also according to the purple site 8/10 people have a million dollar studio.
Who is the largest dealer in the world? Sweetwater Sound did $1.43 Billion in 2021. In comparison, Vintage King did around $83 million that same year (if I read that correctly in a search I did the other day). |
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Post by Ward on Aug 8, 2022 17:35:58 GMT -6
That was a joke Eric but on said topic it's more than common for large manufacturers to create their own credit facilities, it's just a loss of profit if they don't and due to volume (plus some "deals") manufacturers tend to beat generic underwriters like banks. The average rate is 9.9% here which adds up, we're talking about $1700.00 profit roughly gained from a U67 on a 24 month scheme. It all depends on volume, I keep getting told by retailers that high end audio equipment is a low profit small sales endeavour. However Thomann alone earns on average over a billion a year, if it is squarely prosumer how many Apollo interfaces and T.Bone mic's would you have to sell to earn that sort of dosh? Also according to the purple site 8/10 people have a million dollar studio. Who is the largest dealer in the world? Sweetwater Sound did $1.43 Billion in 2021. In comparison, Vintage King did around $83 million that same year (if I read that correctly in a search I did the other day). Thomann's? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2022 17:46:39 GMT -6
Who is the largest dealer in the world? Sweetwater Sound did $1.43 Billion in 2021. In comparison, Vintage King did around $83 million that same year (if I read that correctly in a search I did the other day). I dunno, I guess our Thomman ($1.09 Billion) is like your sweetwater. G4M (another large retailer) did 173 million USD and I couldn't find any details on the rest.
It would be interesting to know how well the U67RI did..
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Post by ericn on Aug 8, 2022 18:05:25 GMT -6
Who is the largest dealer in the world? Sweetwater Sound did $1.43 Billion in 2021. In comparison, Vintage King did around $83 million that same year (if I read that correctly in a search I did the other day). Thomann's? GC year after year, but others make a profit on far less. |
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Post by ericn on Aug 8, 2022 18:19:13 GMT -6
Do realize Sweetwater and my former employer sort of cloud the picture because they both also have wholesale/ distributor divisions.
Sweetwater is Behringers US distributor. These surveys don’t separate that out. In other words if you stop in at the small time local MI dealer and buy a SM57 it probably came from Full Compass.
Also at this point I don’t think anyone in the US MI world is currently publicly traded so they don’t have to report these figures
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Post by mattcollen on Aug 8, 2022 18:53:34 GMT -6
That was a joke Eric but on said topic it's more than common for large manufacturers to create their own credit facilities, it's just a loss of profit if they don't and due to volume (plus some "deals") manufacturers tend to beat generic underwriters like banks. The average rate is 9.9% here which adds up, we're talking about $1700.00 profit roughly gained from a U67 on a 24 month scheme.
It all depends on volume, I keep getting told by retailers that high end audio equipment is a low profit small sales endeavour. However Thomann alone earns on average over a billion a year, if it is squarely prosumer how many Apollo interfaces and T.Bone mic's would you have to sell to earn that sort of dosh? Also according to the purple site 8/10 people have a million dollar studio.
Who is the largest dealer in the world? Sweetwater Sound did $1.43 Billion in 2021. In comparison, Vintage King did around $83 million that same year (if I read that correctly in a search I did the other day). Sweetwater is the largest Neumann distributor in the U.S. |
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Post by michaelcleary on Aug 8, 2022 19:22:27 GMT -6
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Post by ericn on Aug 8, 2022 19:23:47 GMT -6
Nah they don’t have to, find me a Neumann dealer without a “house brand “ credit card program. Plus let me tell you pro audio / MI has the highest credit rejection rate, true story! That was a joke Eric but on said topic it's more than common for large manufacturers to create their own credit facilities, it's just a loss of profit if they don't and due to volume (plus some "deals") manufacturers tend to beat generic underwriters like banks. The average rate is 9.9% here which adds up, we're talking about $1700.00 profit roughly gained from a U67 on a 24 month scheme.
It all depends on volume, I keep getting told by retailers that high end audio equipment is a low profit small sales endeavour. However Thomann alone earns on average over a billion a year, if it is squarely prosumer how many Apollo interfaces and T.Bone mic's would you have to sell to earn that sort of dosh? Also according to the purple site 8/10 people have a million dollar studio.
The margin is in the lowend of the market, but even the very very high dollar audio is no where as bad as video was in the old days, 7% was high margin on a betacam! Cables and consumables pay the bills. Institional customers provide the volume so you can get the off sheet deals. I have never understood the GC model, one of the biggest and often embarrassing is that GC sales guys don’t see the actual cost of goods, every GC in the beginning learns a hard lesson when a customer walks in with a sweet deal and calls them out because “ we are the biggest dealer and that’s below our cost”. Happened to me once, asked for the manager and showed him the manufacturers price list a rep friend had sent me, first colum was lower than what the GC computer said. Of course GC motivates me to buy while iin GC, one the phone with another dealer! |
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Post by ericn on Aug 8, 2022 19:24:42 GMT -6
Man I used to get a free copy ! |
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Post by Chad on Aug 8, 2022 19:38:55 GMT -6
GC year after year, but others make a profit on far less. , it looks like you were correct. I did a search and saw that Guitar Center did $2.1 billion in 2021, while Sweetwater did close to 1-1/2 billion. PS: ironically, when I was trying to figure out who the largest dealer was, I didn’t even remember that Guitar Center exists. 😂 |
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Post by ericn on Aug 8, 2022 19:47:32 GMT -6
GC year after year, but others make a profit on far less. , it looks like you were correct. I did a search and saw that Guitar Center did $2.1 billion in 2021, while Sweetwater did close to 1-1/2 billion. PS: ironically, when I was trying to figure out who the largest dealer was, I didn’t even remember that Guitar Center exists. 😂 Here they are hard to forget, with a giant Musicians Friend Distro and call center, yet it’s almost impossible to get anything in one day. |
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Post by bluegrassdan on Aug 8, 2022 19:50:20 GMT -6
I don't like the logo badge on the shock mount...
...that is all.
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Post by thehightenor on Aug 9, 2022 1:24:23 GMT -6
I thought these mics were going to be extremely limited?
I got an email from one of the dealers I buy from asking me if I'd like to put my name down for one.
Maybe Neumann will make enough to meet whatever the upfront demand is?
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Post by daniel on Aug 9, 2022 1:45:54 GMT -6
I'm waiting for the comparisons between the vintage and the reissue, why it takes so long? Vintage King please  |
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Post by ab101 on Aug 9, 2022 10:00:19 GMT -6
I'm waiting for the comparisons between the vintage and the reissue, why it takes so long? Vintage King please I also want to hear a comparison between the M49V with the Flea 49 (preferably with the ac701 in the Flea). |
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Post by Vincent R. on Aug 9, 2022 10:03:03 GMT -6
I'm waiting for the comparisons between the vintage and the reissue, why it takes so long? Vintage King please I also want to hear a comparison between the M49V with the Flea 49 (preferably with the ac701 in the Flea). I don't have the AC701 in my FleA, but if someone wants to send their new M49V my way I would be happy to do a shootout. OR If there is someone in the NY Tristate Area I could always arrange to come out to you. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 9, 2022 11:13:17 GMT -6
I can’t even begin to talk about it…because I’m not going to pay $11k for a mic.
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Post by ericn on Aug 9, 2022 12:01:00 GMT -6
I can’t even begin to talk about it…because I’m not going to pay $11k for a mic. mm Back around 2001 there was a guy in Beaumont TX who had a pair for $6700, I was in discussions till the guy said this Canadian guy in New Orleans named Danial was offering $8K for the pair. I figured there was no way I was going to compete with Mr Lanios so bowed out. Seeing these prices it would probably been a great investment. |
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Post by chessparov on Aug 9, 2022 13:32:42 GMT -6
Expensive microphones worth even more than the Bluesmobile!?
Paging Jake and Elwood.
Chris
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