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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2022 16:49:33 GMT -6
The implications of that previous post are that this may just be becoming the new of way of doing business, regardless of chip shortages for cars or not. Not that every manufacture won't go back to the old ways but, if Toyota does it, you can expect others to do it too. I understand the implications but the logic is off. For a start it wrecks the used car market which some dealers rely on to keep going, I visted quite a few who extolled the virtue's of their profitable new position only to go bust a year or two later due to stock shortages.
Also large manufacturers rely on volume and quite a few have took a massive hit during the covid age. Their profit reports are out there for all to see, I understand that leaving cars unsold on the lot draining profit with every passing month might be a thing of the past. Although again, most manufacturers I've come across aren't delaying releases intentionally now they've found their feet again. For any manufacturer who wants to play that game it's simple in my book, buy something else..
The one thing that remains consistent is price hikes, if you can sell a million cars every month at an inflated rate or hold on to them for over a year whilst draining internal profits in the hopes of creating artificial inflation. What you gonna do?
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Post by Quint on Aug 4, 2022 17:01:43 GMT -6
The implications of that previous post are that this may just be becoming the new of way of doing business, regardless of chip shortages for cars or not. Not that every manufacture won't go back to the old ways but, if Toyota does it, you can expect others to do it too. I understand the implications but the logic is off. For a start it wrecks the used car market which some dealers rely on to keep going, I visted quite a few who extolled the virtue's of their profitable new position only to go bust a year or two later due to stock shortages.
Also large manufacturers rely on volume and quite a few have took a massive hit during the covid age. Their profit reports are out there for all to see, I understand that leaving cars unsold on the lot draining profit with every passing month might be a thing of the past. Although again, most manufacturers I've come across aren't delaying releases intentionally now they've found their feet again. For any manufacturer who wants to play that game it's simple in my book, buy something else..
The one thing that remains consistent is price hikes, if you can sell a million cars every month at an inflated rate or hold on to them for over a year whilst draining internal profits in the hopes of creating artificial inflation. What you gonna do?
Dude, I'm not trying to argue. I have no dog in this fight, for or against this means of doing business. It's just a simple observation based on what I see and hear from people trying to buy cars and what I read about in the news. Take it up with Toyota if you don't like it, or don't buy Toyota. I really don't care but, Toyota IS an industry leader and other car manufacturers do tend to follow suit, even if we don't like this particular new way of selling cars. |
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Post by chessparov on Aug 4, 2022 17:52:17 GMT -6
So we can all agree this could be a...
Forerunner of things to come. Maybe even a Prelude!
Of the economic Tundra.
(Is that an oxymoron?)
Chris
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2022 17:55:07 GMT -6
So we can all agree this could be a... I think we can all agree this has gone way off topic and doesn't matter in the slightest. Just an interesting convo and a nice coffee break before we return to the regularly scheduled tube analysis. |
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Post by Hudsonic on Aug 5, 2022 8:43:40 GMT -6
New tube is not anointed.
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Post by Chad on Aug 5, 2022 9:31:07 GMT -6
Well, this is quite an endorsement: “The biggest pleasant surprise: noise floor and most relevant, timbre of the new tube Neumann selected for the reissue cannot be distinguished from that of the AC701, even under the most critical listening conditions.”
Klaus Heyne
From the very bottom of this page: m49v.neumann.com/ |
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Post by teejay on Aug 5, 2022 10:06:42 GMT -6
So we can all agree this could be a... Forerunner of things to come. Maybe even a Prelude! Of the economic Tundra. (Is that an oxymoron?) Chris Just a clarification. 4Runner, Tundra = Toyota Prelude = Honda |
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Post by mattcollen on Aug 5, 2022 10:08:25 GMT -6
Well, this is quite an endorsement: “The biggest pleasant surprise: noise floor and most relevant, timbre of the new tube Neumann selected for the reissue cannot be distinguished from that of the AC701, even under the most critical listening conditions.”
Klaus Heyne
From the very bottom of this page: m49v.neumann.com/Outside of Neumann’s engineers, no other independent mic tech has reviewed or examined the tube (at least publicly acknowledged). I’ll take Klaus’s endorsement over Hudsonic’s dismissals, since Hudsonic hasn’t actually used the mic or examined it according to his own posts (this may have changed in the last couple of days). Everyone is entitled to his/her/their opinions, but some people actually have direct experience with the new mic. So, I’ll give more credence to those people until I get my hands on one. |
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Post by Chad on Aug 5, 2022 10:09:59 GMT -6
Well, this is quite an endorsement: “The biggest pleasant surprise: noise floor and most relevant, timbre of the new tube Neumann selected for the reissue cannot be distinguished from that of the AC701, even under the most critical listening conditions.”
Klaus Heyne
From the very bottom of this page: m49v.neumann.com/Outside of Neumann’s engineers, no other independent mic tech has reviewed or examined the tube (at least publicly acknowledged). I’ll take Klaus’s endorsement over Hudsonic’s dismissals, since Hudsonic hasn’t actually used the mic or examined it according to his own posts (this may have changed in the last couple of days). Everyone is entitled to his/her/their opinions, but some people actually have direct experience with the new mic. So, I’ll give more credence to those people until I get my hands on one. Mega ditto, mattcollen |
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Post by seawell on Aug 5, 2022 11:57:40 GMT -6
Well, this is quite an endorsement: “The biggest pleasant surprise: noise floor and most relevant, timbre of the new tube Neumann selected for the reissue cannot be distinguished from that of the AC701, even under the most critical listening conditions.”
Klaus Heyne
From the very bottom of this page: m49v.neumann.com/WOW! This carries a lot of weight for me. |
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Post by Chad on Aug 5, 2022 12:15:11 GMT -6
Well, this is quite an endorsement: “The biggest pleasant surprise: noise floor and most relevant, timbre of the new tube Neumann selected for the reissue cannot be distinguished from that of the AC701, even under the most critical listening conditions.”
Klaus Heyne
From the very bottom of this page: m49v.neumann.com/WOW! This carries a lot of weight for me. Yep, me too. His voice speaks to me through three mics I own that have his handywork. (Two of those being fully KH-modded.) |
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Post by ab101 on Aug 5, 2022 12:39:35 GMT -6
I have this philosophy that if one has something good to say about someone, they should say it. I do not want to embarass Klaus here, but I have been reading his posts for years and he is a hero to me. Sometimes by accident I run into a Klaus post because I am searching for the answer to a particular question. Klaus provides a lot of great advice to many people over the years and he is a class act with high integrity. To be that knowledgeable and yet considerate with all sorts of people on all different levels of knowledge, is a great example of a human being. And we need that today. We need heros. Neumann must know Klaus's character, and it is a tribute to Neumann that they wanted his opinion before "closing" their design stage. His statement in the Neumann website is specific and the better part of Neumann's marketing. I am really looking forward to his detailed review and then I hope Neumann will figure out a way to make more microphones per month without sacrificing quality.
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Post by Chad on Aug 5, 2022 12:41:03 GMT -6
I have this philosophy that if one has something good to say about someone, they should say it. I do not want to embarass Klaus here, but I have been reading his posts for years and he is a hero to me. Sometimes by accident I run into a Klaus post because I am searching for the answer to a particular question. Klaus provides a lot of great advice to many people over the years and he is a class act with high integrity. To be that knowledgeable and yet considerate with all sorts of people on all different levels of knowledge, is a great example of a human being. And we need that today. We need heros. Neumann must know Klaus's character, and it is a tribute to Neumann that they wanted his opinion before "closing" their design stage. His statement in the Neumann website is specific and the better part of Neumann's marketing. I am really looking forward to his detailed review and then I hope Neumann will figure out a way to make more microphones per month without sacrificing quality. Here here! Well spoken, ab101 |
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Post by thehightenor on Aug 5, 2022 12:49:47 GMT -6
Well, this is quite an endorsement: “The biggest pleasant surprise: noise floor and most relevant, timbre of the new tube Neumann selected for the reissue cannot be distinguished from that of the AC701, even under the most critical listening conditions.”
Klaus Heyne
From the very bottom of this page: m49v.neumann.com/WOW! This carries a lot of weight for me. Was he involved in the re-issue process with Neumann? I seem to remember reading he was, I might be wrong though. |
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Post by chessparov on Aug 5, 2022 13:27:49 GMT -6
New tube is not anointed. I have one sure fire way to make everyone happy... How can you make holy water out of tap water? First you have to boil the hell out of it! Voila! "Anointed".  (Drops Mic) Chris |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2022 14:49:07 GMT -6
New tube is not anointed. I have one sure fire way to make everyone happy... Chris It's rare ability to make someone laugh and facepalm at the same time LOL.. |
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Post by chessparov on Aug 5, 2022 17:16:35 GMT -6
Hopefully well done.
Sometimes...
Chris
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Post by Blackdawg on Aug 5, 2022 17:43:20 GMT -6
We ordered a pair. Not sure when I'll use them or for what. But probably have a pair "soon"
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Post by christopher on Aug 5, 2022 18:14:41 GMT -6
We ordered a pair. Not sure when I'll use them or for what. But probably have a pair "soon" Wow, awesome! Hopefully the answers are “always” and “everything” |
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Post by michaelcleary on Aug 6, 2022 8:40:14 GMT -6
Surprisingly most of the orders request one of the BTO options so this will slow things up a little bit. If ordered standard one will see it sooner.
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Post by olionajudah on Aug 6, 2022 9:47:06 GMT -6
Surprisingly most of the orders request one of the BTO options so this will slow things up a little bit. If ordered standard one will see it sooner. Regarding these BTO options, conversation up here (and "other" sites) have made it seem as if these options can be easily toggled by users savvy enough to open the body to access the two (?) switches. ..but the Neumann product page indicates they do not consider them user accessible: "In the default delivery state, the high-pass filter is set to 30 Hz and pattern switching is activated. The internal switches should not be operated by the user, but only by Neumann Service. The M 49 V can be ordered in the desired switch configuration through Neumann sales partners and dealers (Made To Order)." Sounds likely accessing these would void the warranty, which looks to be 2 years... so I suppose after that it wouldn't matter, assuming you knew what you were doing and didn't damage anything.. Curious what others think of this. Ordered mine stock. Don't need anything <30hz, and definitely plan to use the various patterns... would, at some point, be interested to try to Card only mode, but I doubt that's going to feel urgent, esp. given Neumann's position on users operating the internal switches. |
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Post by olionajudah on Aug 6, 2022 9:50:04 GMT -6
Surprisingly most of the orders request one of the BTO options so this will slow things up a little bit. If ordered standard one will see it sooner. .. curious about where you gotten your insights into existing orders and the prevalence of BTO options requested. Are you working with Neumann or a major distributor? Not casting doubts about your info, just curious really. Would love to know what BTO options are most commonly being requested. I'd also think a simple switch setting wouldn't hold up ordering.. but I clearly have no idea about any of this. thanks! |
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Post by michaelcleary on Aug 6, 2022 10:30:19 GMT -6
Surprisingly most of the orders request one of the BTO options so this will slow things up a little bit. If ordered standard one will see it sooner. .. curious about where you gotten your insights into existing orders and the prevalence of BTO options requested. Are you working with Neumann or a major distributor? Not casting doubts about your info, just curious really. Would love to know what BTO options are most commonly being requested. I'd also think a simple switch setting wouldn't hold up ordering.. but I clearly have no idea about any of this. thanks! I know a guy that knows a guy...I do not know what the most common options are, but if you have a pallet of mics in standard configuration ready to ship, but during the allocation process you find that you have to take some of these mics off to reconfig, and then allocate to the correct customer/dealer etc, it slows things down. Otherwise you can ship the mics to wherever you like as is. Make sense? |
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Post by michaelcleary on Aug 6, 2022 10:31:15 GMT -6
Surprisingly most of the orders request one of the BTO options so this will slow things up a little bit. If ordered standard one will see it sooner. Regarding these BTO options, conversation up here (and "other" sites) have made it seem as if these options can be easily toggled by users savvy enough to open the body to access the two (?) switches. ..but the Neumann product page indicates they do not consider them user accessible: "In the default delivery state, the high-pass filter is set to 30 Hz and pattern switching is activated. The internal switches should not be operated by the user, but only by Neumann Service. The M 49 V can be ordered in the desired switch configuration through Neumann sales partners and dealers (Made To Order)." Sounds likely accessing these would void the warranty, which looks to be 2 years... so I suppose after that it wouldn't matter, assuming you knew what you were doing and didn't damage anything.. Curious what others think of this. Ordered mine stock. Don't need anything <30hz, and definitely plan to use the various patterns... would, at some point, be interested to try to Card only mode, but I doubt that's going to feel urgent, esp. given Neumann's position on users operating the internal switches. I'm sure most will crack the hood on these when they land. The issue is, if you mess it up, it wont be covered under warranty and thats why it is being discouraged. |
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Post by olionajudah on Aug 6, 2022 11:38:27 GMT -6
.. curious about where you gotten your insights into existing orders and the prevalence of BTO options requested. Are you working with Neumann or a major distributor? Not casting doubts about your info, just curious really. Would love to know what BTO options are most commonly being requested. I'd also think a simple switch setting wouldn't hold up ordering.. but I clearly have no idea about any of this. thanks! I know a guy that knows a guy...I do not know what the most common options are, but if you have a pallet of mics in standard configuration ready to ship, but during the allocation process you find that you have to take some of these mics off to reconfig, and then allocate to the correct customer/dealer etc, it slows things down. Otherwise you can ship the mics to wherever you like as is. Make sense? Ah That makes sense. I guess I hadn't considered that they had a supply of these ready to ship, but if I think about them all boxed up ready to fly I can see why they'd maybe wait for the next wave to start prepping alt BTO setups. I guess they'd set these before sealing up the mics in the first place, rather than re-open a finished mic, nevermind reopening sealed boxes. Sorry for being a bit daft. This might explain why I've been told to expect mine within 3 months and not a year, given my total lack of 'clout', cred, name, or social presence. Glad I wanted the default config! Thanks! |
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