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Post by mattcollen on Aug 2, 2022 20:24:12 GMT -6
I am holding out to hear what Klaus Heyne has to say about the new M49V. Being the owner of a U87Ai which has been modified by him (circuit and capsule), plus a U67 that has been modified by him (circuit and capsule), I feel like I can “hear what he hears” now (and I like what he hears, I must add!). There is nothing sub par about either of those microphones. In fact, they are two of the best sounding microphones I own. That said... If he breaks this M49V down and dissects it just the way he did the U 67 Reissue a couple of years ago, and if he is able to highlight its strengths and weaknesses, and things balance out in a mostly positive direction from his perspective, I would definitely trust him and procure one for myself. Despite my disappointment with any variation from the original, and as a buyer of the U47FET and U67 reissues, I really really REALLY REALLY want this to work out! Me too, and I can’t imagine it won’t. Also we seem to forget that for three years the AC701 wasn’t used in the M49. “The no AC701, no M49” people don’t have the full and original tube history of this mic on their side. It is much bigger than that tube, and people who want to use that tube can in the new mic. I am quite excited to see what Neumann has done with the new tube. |
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Post by mythundreamt on Aug 2, 2022 20:59:00 GMT -6
Right? All about the tube. Starting to sound just like my Prom Night. Chris |
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Post by Chad on Aug 2, 2022 21:07:29 GMT -6
Despite my disappointment with any variation from the original, and as a buyer of the U47FET and U67 reissues, I really really REALLY REALLY want this to work out! Me too, and I can’t imagine it won’t. Also we seem to forget that for three years the AC701 wasn’t used in the M49. “The no AC701, no M49” people don’t have the full and original tube history of this mic on their side. It is much bigger than that tube, and people who want to use that tube can in the new mic. I am quite excited to see what Neumann has done with the new tube. M49a circuit had the Hiller MSC2 for a short season. |
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Post by chessparov on Aug 2, 2022 21:16:37 GMT -6
Was the Hiller as good as the AC701?
(I mean were the tubes tied?)
Chris
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Post by Chad on Aug 2, 2022 21:19:33 GMT -6
Was the Hiller as good as the AC701? (I mean were the tubes tied?) Chris , I’m voting you change your screenname to ‘Attila the PUN’. 👊🏻😉 |
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Post by Vincent R. on Aug 3, 2022 5:17:04 GMT -6
Me too, and I can’t imagine it won’t. Also we seem to forget that for three years the AC701 wasn’t used in the M49. “The no AC701, no M49” people don’t have the full and original tube history of this mic on their side. It is much bigger than that tube, and people who want to use that tube can in the new mic. I am quite excited to see what Neumann has done with the new tube. M49a circuit had the Hiller MSC2 for a short season. I believe Wunder uses the Hiller MSC2 in their CM49, because of this fact. |
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Post by olionajudah on Aug 3, 2022 10:36:55 GMT -6
Man.. the sentiment in this thread swings so wildly, even amongst those who seem to have had favorable experiences with the other recent 'reissues' (u67 and 47fet). I remain hopeful of course, but I'm excited for some of you to get them into your studios and start providing first hand impressions. I'm also looking forward to Klaus' full tear-down.
Soon hopefully!
For those who've already ordered, my wish is for this mic to be everything you hope it will be! ..especially at these prices. Keep us in the loop if you will!
Cheers
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Post by Omicron9 on Aug 3, 2022 11:02:46 GMT -6
Which brings me to some head scratching. They say the circuit is identical - however they have a new tube? Did they not make accommodations for the new tube and the way it sounds / reacts? You can't have it both ways. If you can swap out to an AC701k and it's designed for the new tube, the AC701k tubed version is not going to sound like a vintage model. If you designed for a non equipped AC701k, and the tube is not IDENTICAL to an AC701k - how can the new tube be as good as it can be - or as good as the AC701k? I'm puzzled. Everyone seems to think that this ability to go back to an AC701k is the greatest thing, but IMO, it sure looks like compromise. I can't see it any other way. I'd rather see it fully designed for the new tube if that's what they have committed to, and forget the AC701k, or alternatively, have a well documented set of mods to bring the 701 back to old school stock. Honestly, I don't see how they can choose a new tube, and make the rest of the circuit identical and still have it sound like a vintage mic. PS - FYI, looks like the average going rate for an AC701k is now topping $3,000. Probably in no small part because of this mic's ability to implement one. $#@!#$%#@!!!! Last time I looked - about when the rumors started, AC701k's were going for about half that. Just a couple months ago.... The DR Nailed it. What will be interesting to see is what used Flea 49’s are going for and if the next Reissue is an M50! I think the only Neumann reissue that would raise my eyebrows would be a KM-84. -09 |
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Post by ab101 on Aug 3, 2022 11:08:18 GMT -6
I think the only Neumann reissue that would raise my eyebrows would be a KM-84. -09 Agreed - and it can have multiple capsules available. (I liked the Km83 too.) |
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Post by Ward on Aug 4, 2022 6:21:40 GMT -6
Despite my disappointment with any variation from the original, and as a buyer of the U47FET and U67 reissues, I really really REALLY REALLY want this to work out! Me too, and I can’t imagine it won’t. Also we seem to forget that for three years the AC701 wasn’t used in the M49. “The no AC701, no M49” people don’t have the full and original tube history of this mic on their side. It is much bigger than that tube, and people who want to use that tube can in the new mic. I am quite excited to see what Neumann has done with the new tube. The Hiller MSC2 ? www.radiomuseum.org/tubes/tube_msc2.html |
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Post by phil on Aug 4, 2022 11:13:22 GMT -6
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Post by Vincent R. on Aug 4, 2022 11:23:29 GMT -6
"Selected the best tube we ever found."
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Post by ab101 on Aug 4, 2022 11:39:54 GMT -6
"Selected the best tube we ever found." Best for what? Noise, microphonics, tone, longevity, photogenic   I would prefer a marketing approach where they make about 5 or 10 of these and get them in the hands of the best people around and have people like Klaus, write reviews. Why is there such a push to get orders in without the product in the hands of dealers, without identifying the tube, and when there is supposed to be a limited supply? Such marketing does not correlate with such a work of art. |
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Post by Chad on Aug 4, 2022 11:42:08 GMT -6
"Selected the best tube we ever found." "We are calling it... the You-Tube... and we believe we are the first to use that brand name." -Neumann Marketing Dept. |
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Post by olionajudah on Aug 4, 2022 12:04:07 GMT -6
"Selected the best tube we ever found." is this just trolling ?  |
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Post by chessparov on Aug 4, 2022 13:04:05 GMT -6
Tubey or not tubey? Whether tis noblest to put thine AC701 in thy holy appointed M49? Or tryest in vain to circumvate mob mockery whilst thrusting another upon it? Is the fault not in the stars, but in ourselves. (And Neuheiser marketing) I do ask you, good citizens of Rome-ahem RGO! Chris |
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Post by spindrift on Aug 4, 2022 13:34:13 GMT -6
I can’t wait to take out the AC701s in my M49s and replace them with the new better tube!
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Post by Chad on Aug 4, 2022 13:48:41 GMT -6
I can’t wait to take out the AC701s in my M49s and replace them with the new better tube!  |
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Post by aremos on Aug 4, 2022 15:49:15 GMT -6
s = scarcity?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2022 15:53:53 GMT -6
Neumann is discovering the law of scarcity. I was recently sitting with a guy I know well in financing here at a local Toyota dealership, and he told me... "Even if there is no scarcity of parts, Toyota Corporate will NEVER go back to the old way of selling cars. They are now making record profits, and the 'waiting game' is working for them. People putting their name in for a car they are told they'll have to wait 6-18 months for is working far better than having cars just sitting out on lots and hoping people will come in and buy one on a Saturday afternoon. Cars will never be sold that way again, pandemic or no pandemic, shortages or no shortages."Well there's a good reason never to buy a Toyota, if you can wait 6 - 18 months for a car you don't really need one in the first place. Built to order is fine (which takes 3 - 6 weeks?) but that's just crazy..
Looking forward to hearing some clips of the M49..
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Post by Quint on Aug 4, 2022 15:59:00 GMT -6
Neumann is discovering the law of scarcity. I was recently sitting with a guy I know well in financing here at a local Toyota dealership, and he told me... "Even if there is no scarcity of parts, Toyota Corporate will NEVER go back to the old way of selling cars. They are now making record profits, and the 'waiting game' is working for them. People putting their name in for a car they are told they'll have to wait 6-18 months for is working far better than having cars just sitting out on lots and hoping people will come in and buy one on a Saturday afternoon. Cars will never be sold that way again, pandemic or no pandemic, shortages or no shortages."Well there's a good reason never to buy a Toyota, if you can wait 6 - 18 months for a car you don't really need one in the first place. Built to order is fine (which takes 3 - 6 weeks?) but that's just crazy..
Looking forward to hearing some clips of the M49..
I think that's where everything is headed or already is, regardless of the car maker. At least here in the US. I've been hearing of a lot of people complaining about wait times, regardless of make/model of vehicle. Which sucks, because what if you get in a wreck and your car is totalled? Are you gonna wait a year to get a new car, which meets your specific needs and desires, or just buy whatever you can find? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2022 16:07:33 GMT -6
I think that's where everything is headed or already is, regardless of the car maker. At least here in the US. I've been hearing of a lot of people complaining about wait times, regardless of make/model of vehicle. That's mainly due to chip / parts shortages though, it's still affecting other markets outside of the industry who are actively trying to combat scalping due to scarcity. I needed a new car recently and things for the most part have eased up (a bit). VW is still 12 - 18 months for a Golf and BMW isn't much better but Seat / Hyundai / Kia / Ford / Nissan / Mazda / Vauxhall / Genesis / Tesla etc. you can get a brand new one in about four to six weeks. There's a ton of Audi's in stock for some reason.. |
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Post by ab101 on Aug 4, 2022 16:13:05 GMT -6
This is why some people are paying above MSRP. And some people are even buying cars/trucks and selling them for more than what they paid. It is not true that every vehicle depreciates once it is driven off the lot, at least not every vehicle. I have also heard that there are numerous vehicles in storage waiting for chips, and the one a person orders may be difficult to get out of the middle of that storage scenario. (Personally, I consider the practice of buying to resell to be risky.)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2022 16:24:33 GMT -6
This is why some people are paying above MSRP. And some people are even buying cars/trucks and selling them for more than what they paid. It is not true that every vehicle depreciates once it is driven off the lot, at least not every vehicle. I have also heard that there are numerous vehicles in storage waiting for chips, and the one a person orders may be difficult to get out of the middle of that storage scenario. (Personally, I consider the practice of buying to resell to be risky.) That's been happening for years now, cost of living is getting pricey lately. It affects everything from food to houses, cars, electricity bills you name it.. There's backlog to consider also, whilst we might be catching up in some area's people seem to be buying at exponentially higher prices so even if there's extra stock why would a company lower their prices if people are willing to pay extra?
This isn't the first time its happened, over here it just lead to a complete economic crash in the end. 100% mortgages, tons of loans etc. to offset the spiral of economic incline, it doesn't often end well.
Yeah, so the M49.. Cool mic. Sorry for de-railing (again).
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Post by Quint on Aug 4, 2022 16:26:37 GMT -6
I think that's where everything is headed or already is, regardless of the car maker. At least here in the US. I've been hearing of a lot of people complaining about wait times, regardless of make/model of vehicle. That's mainly due to chip / parts shortages though, it's still affecting other markets outside of the industry who are actively trying to combat scalping due to scarcity. I needed a new car recently and things for the most part have eased up (a bit). VW is still 12 - 18 months for a Golf and BMW isn't much better but Seat / Hyundai / Kia / Ford / Nissan / Mazda / Vauxhall / Genesis / Tesla etc. you can get a brand new one in about four to six weeks. There's a ton of Audi's in stock for some reason.. The implications of that previous post are that this may just be becoming the new of way of doing business, regardless of chip shortages for cars or not. Not that every manufacture won't go back to the old ways but, if Toyota does it, you can expect others to do it too. |
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