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Post by ab101 on Aug 1, 2022 13:40:15 GMT -6
I would not want to be stuck in cardioid, for instance. (The C Variation.) If they were easy to switch, then why tell the manufacturer which variation to send? I am a little confused here.
I also wonder if Wes Dooley did not revive the old RCA ribbons until this year, would all the clamour be about the r44ce, as an example, a mic that costs about 1/3 of this one and has instant globs of vintage tone albeit more prone to plosives and more cumbersome - though certainly Frank Sinatra and others made it work well!
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Post by mattcollen on Aug 1, 2022 13:52:30 GMT -6
I would not want to be stuck in cardioid, for instance. (The C Variation.) If they were easy to switch, then why tell the manufacturer which variation to send? I am a little confused here. I also wonder if Wes Dooley did not revive the old RCA ribbons until this year, would all the clamour be about the r44ce, as an example, a mic that costs about 1/3 of this one and has instant globs of vintage tone albeit more prone to plosives and more cumbersome - though certainly Frank Sinatra and others made it work well! The cardioid only switch will be standard according to a previous comment from Klaus. I think it will only be a matter of choosing a/c, which will be standard or the b/c option. It may be more nuanced than that though. |
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Post by ab101 on Aug 1, 2022 13:56:35 GMT -6
I would not want to be stuck in cardioid, for instance. (The C Variation.) If they were easy to switch, then why tell the manufacturer which variation to send? I am a little confused here. I also wonder if Wes Dooley did not revive the old RCA ribbons until this year, would all the clamour be about the r44ce, as an example, a mic that costs about 1/3 of this one and has instant globs of vintage tone albeit more prone to plosives and more cumbersome - though certainly Frank Sinatra and others made it work well! The cardioid only switch will be standard according to a previous comment from Klaus. I think it will only be a matter of choosing a/c, which will be standard or the b/c option. It may be more nuanced than that though. That makes sense. I hope you are correct. |
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Post by Vincent R. on Aug 1, 2022 14:05:15 GMT -6
Frankly, a switch on the bottom would have been a really good idea.
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Post by bdw42 on Aug 1, 2022 14:15:34 GMT -6
A little bit more on this right now from Klaus:
"There is only one model of the M49. It has two internal slider switches which are set by Neumann at the time of ordering to what they seem the "default" position: remote controlled pattern active, selection and low-cut engaged.
But a buyer can order the mic with alternative switch settings ex factory: cardioid only and/or flat response way down past 20Hz.
This order option was more of a political decision than anything else: it was thought that some users would not be comfortable opening the mic and flipping a switch or two, which, of course, they are entitled to do, as long as power is off."
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Post by Chad on Aug 1, 2022 14:17:41 GMT -6
Lots of good info here recordinghacks.com/microphones/Neumann/M-49“All M49 models after 1957 had a “cardioid only” switch built in, to achieve a 4dB s/n improvement [as compared to setting the pattern] remotely, from the power supply. — Klaus Heyne“ |
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Post by mattcollen on Aug 1, 2022 14:45:46 GMT -6
A little bit more on this right now from Klaus: "There is only one model of the M49. It has two internal slider switches which are set by Neumann at the time of ordering to what they seem the "default" position: remote controlled pattern active, selection and low-cut engaged. But a buyer can order the mic with alternative switch settings ex factory: cardioid only and/or flat response way down past 20Hz. This order option was more of a political decision than anything else: it was thought that some users would not be comfortable opening the mic and flipping a switch or two, which, of course, they are entitled to do, as long as power is off." I like these options. 😀🔥 |
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Post by Hudsonic on Aug 1, 2022 15:48:55 GMT -6
I was really interested in the new mic and I bet it will be very good. But I'm already a M49 freak with Neumann M49 mics in house here. Also FLEA 49 in house with ac701, special authentic capsule and super transformer.
Without the ac701, the new mic is not really a M49, though is it?
I won't buy a fetish item. Besides there are other tube microphones that I have used that are coming out this fall that I feel will be more useful for my work. Real and genuine in all respects---very old school but with a totally unique capsule. When I'm already getting a great sound, I figured that an unknown mic is not required here. Neumann introduced the mic with a rapper singing. Huddy don't do windows and he don't do that. |
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Post by mattcollen on Aug 1, 2022 16:07:06 GMT -6
I was really interested in the new mic and I bet it will be very good. But I'm already a M49 freak with Neumann M49 mics in house here. Also FLEA 49 in house with ac701, special authentic capsule and super transformer.
Without the ac701, the new mic is not really a M49, though is it?
I won't buy a fetish item. Besides there are other tube microphones that I have used that are coming out this fall that I feel will be more useful for my work. Real and genuine in all respects---very old school but with a totally unique capsule. When I'm already getting a great sound, I figured that an unknown mic is not required here. Neumann introduced the mic with a rapper singing. Huddy don't do windows and he don't do that. The new one is an M49 (the correct capsule and transformer from what I am told). Additionally it has switches for the settings of all three variants (high pass, cardioid only, etc.). Even more it can take an AC701. You just have to flip an internal switch and you’re good to go. Once the AC701 switch is flipped a person may use the new, old, or other power supplies that power vintage M49s. |
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Post by ericn on Aug 1, 2022 17:09:38 GMT -6
I was really interested in the new mic and I bet it will be very good. But I'm already a M49 freak with Neumann M49 mics in house here. Also FLEA 49 in house with ac701, special authentic capsule and super transformer.
Without the ac701, the new mic is not really a M49, though is it?
I won't buy a fetish item. Besides there are other tube microphones that I have used that are coming out this fall that I feel will be more useful for my work. Real and genuine in all respects---very old school but with a totally unique capsule. When I'm already getting a great sound, I figured that an unknown mic is not required here. Neumann introduced the mic with a rapper singing. Huddy don't do windows and he don't do that. [/quote ] The new one is an M49 (the correct capsule and transformer from what I am told). Additionally it has switches for the settings of all three variants (high pass, cardioid only, etc.). Even more it can take an AC701. You just have to flip an internal switch and you’re good to go. Once the AC701 switch is flipped a person may use the new, old, or other power supplies that power vintage M49s. Note the man said “very special original capsule “ not original capsule. Now if we to get into the meaning of original one could argue that would mean M7, the K47 transition was later, appropriate would be a much better discrpition. While you can have a a M49 v modded to take an AC701 you can order it that way from Flea. If memory serves me He went with Flea at the time because they were willing to work with him and match what he already owned, not their idea of what it should be! That’s a very big deal when you consider that they will probably find use as a system. Also do you think without Fleas success would we even see this mic? |
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Post by brenta on Aug 1, 2022 17:15:13 GMT -6
So it looks like Neumann is going to try to keep the tube they are using a secret? Seems like a weird strategy this day in age. Regardless, the fact that an AC701k can be used in the mic without changing the circuit renders all the complaining about the tube moot. If you don’t think it’s a real M49 without an AC701k, simply source one yourself and put it in there.
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Post by Chad on Aug 1, 2022 17:19:08 GMT -6
So it looks like Neumann is going to try to keep the tube they are using a secret? Seems like a weird strategy this day in age. Regardless, the fact that an AC701k can be used in the mic without changing the circuit renders all the complaining about the tube moot. If you don’t think it’s a real M49 without an AC701k, simply source one yourself and put it in there. I was told that all details will be rolled out in time. |
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Post by drbill on Aug 1, 2022 17:49:25 GMT -6
So it looks like Neumann is going to try to keep the tube they are using a secret? Seems like a weird strategy this day in age. Regardless, the fact that an AC701k can be used in the mic without changing the circuit renders all the complaining about the tube moot. If you don’t think it’s a real M49 without an AC701k, simply source one yourself and put it in there. I was told that all details will be rolled out in time. I thought Aug.1 WAS the time.  Maybe they haven't' figured out what tube they are using yet, and still need to research it?? To even give the option of putting in an AC701 pretty much tells me what I need to know. <thumbsup> |
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Post by aremos on Aug 1, 2022 18:06:30 GMT -6
15 pages & don't think anyone here has had the mic in their hands or heard it?
It'll all boil down to what I hear. Have one on order & will try it as soon as it gets here & if I like it I'll buy it. If not my dealer is sure he'll sell it right away.
After I work with it (& possibly A/B it to a "vintage" one), will it matter what tube is inside? I'm either going to like it or not.
Maybe Neumann has, with help from people like Klaus, been able to reproduce the sound with another mini-tube out there. It's not just one tube. it's a Neumann capsule & the rest of the electronics involved that they supposedly still have the papers from and their interaction with each other.
We'll see (hear).
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Post by jono3 on Aug 1, 2022 22:18:09 GMT -6
And to think...I thought my mic lust was satiated after getting a Soyuz 017 Tube... The trick I tried was to get a 017 tube and fet. 🤷♂️ |
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Post by Omicron9 on Aug 2, 2022 7:07:11 GMT -6
I never checked specs on the original. the equivalent noise seems pretty high for a LDC, but what do I know? Yes, that jumped out at me as well. Surprising and not in a good way. For me, it's moot as I'll never buy one, but I did notice that spec. -09 |
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Post by ericn on Aug 2, 2022 7:49:03 GMT -6
I never checked specs on the original. the equivalent noise seems pretty high for a LDC, but what do I know? Yes, that jumped out at me as well. Surprising and not in a good way. For me, it's moot as I'll never buy one, but I did notice that spec. -09 Wonder if it has to do with the tube they choose and their supply? |
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Post by EmRR on Aug 2, 2022 8:00:05 GMT -6
Better noise than tape or vinyl
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Post by jeremygillespie on Aug 2, 2022 8:45:06 GMT -6
Might be a bit off topic concerning this mic, and is something many of you already know, but what I found working in a studio with 2 real 47’s with the right tube, 3 67’s in great condition, 2 different 49’s, a 269, 3 87’s, etc etc etc
You can put up any one of those mics that you think will sound great and on certain singers it just doesn’t work. Even with a pristine vintage example of any of those mics, sometimes they go back in the locker and you pick a Soyuz or a Bock. I know it sounds odd coming from somebody with just as much gear lust as any of you, but you’ve got to know you’re purchasing a mic that while it could be very very cool, it isn’t going to be great 40% of the time, and sometimes something you own already will be better for a particular singer.
I could think of many ways to spend nearly 9k on a bunch of stuff that would make a pretty cool difference in production or mixing.
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Post by chessparov on Aug 2, 2022 9:12:05 GMT -6
But 60% of the time.
It works every time.
Chris
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Post by mattcollen on Aug 2, 2022 9:21:28 GMT -6
Might be a bit off topic concerning this mic, and is something many of you already know, but what I found working in a studio with 2 real 47’s with the right tube, 3 67’s in great condition, 2 different 49’s, a 269, 3 87’s, etc etc etc You can put up any one of those mics that you think will sound great and on certain singers it just doesn’t work. Even with a pristine vintage example of any of those mics, sometimes they go back in the locker and you pick a Soyuz or a Bock. I know it sounds odd coming from somebody with just as much gear lust as any of you, but you’ve got to know you’re purchasing a mic that while it could be very very cool, it isn’t going to be great 40% of the time, and sometimes something you own already will be better for a particular singer. I could think of many ways to spend nearly 9k on a bunch of stuff that would make a pretty cool difference in production or mixing. I completely agree. No mic will be the best mic every single time on every single source. However, competent and professional tools, such as mics of this caliber, will be professional and competent tools for pro records 100% of the time (unless out of spec or broken). |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2022 10:42:31 GMT -6
However, competent and professional tools, such as mics of this caliber, will be professional and competent tools for pro records 100% of the time (unless out of spec or broken). Are we sure? I'd go for 70% of the time everytime, maybe 50 if I'm hungry.
Edit: Ahh crap, I just noticed Chris beat me to it. Apologies Yoda, I'll take my old jokes back to my neatly trimmed lawn.
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Post by Omicron9 on Aug 2, 2022 11:06:15 GMT -6
Yes, that jumped out at me as well. Surprising and not in a good way. For me, it's moot as I'll never buy one, but I did notice that spec. -09 Wonder if it has to do with the tube they choose and their supply? , that did cross my mind. But I always seem to be the only one bothered by self-noise, so it likely won't be an issue for or noticed by the M49v buyers. FWIW: the EIN specs isn't one of my 9,000 reasons for not buying one. -09 |
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Post by chessparov on Aug 2, 2022 11:58:36 GMT -6
Hey, if you recorded Roseanne Barr with the perfect 49, like on the US National Anthem... Self noise can be a killer. Barr none! Chris P.S. She made Sgt. Frank Drebin/Leslie Nielson's "Naked Gun" rendition, sound like Pavarotti for the Dodgers! |
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Post by ericn on Aug 2, 2022 12:10:42 GMT -6
Wonder if it has to do with the tube they choose and their supply? , that did cross my mind. But I always seem to be the only one bothered by self-noise, so it likely won't be an issue for or noticed by the M49v buyers. FWIW: the EIN specs isn't one of my 9,000 reasons for not buying one. -09 I suspect the other reasons are the same here they all begin with $. While the noise spec looks high if indeed the circuit is the original with a simple tube substitution I’m surprised it measures as well. The amplifier needs to be designed around the tube. |
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Maybe they haven't' figured out what tube they are using yet, and still need to research it?? 
