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Post by bdw42 on Jul 26, 2022 19:18:31 GMT -6
Another shot of the M49V from an engineer who has early access: http://instagram.com/p/CgcKSAFIUjn Also reading from the other site that Neumann is requiring some folks who have pre-ordered to submit biographies, for the purposes of assigning a name to the microphone (they may want the early batches in the hands of heavy hitters) and to avoid studios and collectors hoarding them. |
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Post by teejay on Jul 26, 2022 20:55:10 GMT -6
You guys are great, very supportive  I may call on you next year to sign a petition to hand to Mrs hightenor as to all the logical, musical and investment reasons that a T-Funk 251 E should enter my audio world. But sorry this has got a bit OT, back to the Neumann M49 - a mic I'm embarrassed to say I have no personal experience with. What is the main use for a 49? What's it's go to source to mic? Here's a more current example of an M49 in "live" action. Danny Gokey, 2008 "American Idol" finalist and three-time Grammy nominee. Some background info on the song lyrics is included, so skip to 2:10 if you just want the music. |
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Post by drbill on Jul 26, 2022 21:40:04 GMT -6
What is the main use for a 49? What's it's go to source to mic? Anything really. My favorite, FAVORITE application is in a great sounding room (like Conway - who also happens to have a superb and well maintained pair of M49's), 20-ish feet out in front of a big band in Blumlein. Such power, presence, silk, and sheer size. Really, I could record an 18 piece big band (if they are great and balance themselves) with just those 2 mics and be very happy. Superb. They are also OK on vocals. Also, great mics for orchestral recordings. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 26, 2022 21:40:07 GMT -6
I don't know, I'm not impressed with that sound. My guess is it's over-processed. I never understood the hype surrounding the M49. I foolishly sold my Blackspade UM-17R and it sounded quite like an M49, maybe better actually. Still, I wanted more.. Here's a comparison between the vintage Neumann U47, M49, U67, C-12, Blackspade UM-17R, the Soyuz 0-19 FET. realgearonline.com/thread/5685/high-end-mic-shootout-preview?page=4See how close the Blackspade is to the M49? The Soyuz was actually similar to the U-47, even though it's FET. |
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Post by drbill on Jul 26, 2022 21:44:18 GMT -6
If you have a small project studio used only by yourself, AND if you're crazy careful opening up everything from outer cardboard box, all the way to plastic bag around the mic / cable / etc., you can have it both ways. Use the mic, take special care not to put a mark on her, and then resell it as MINT / near-NOS in 10-20 years. Chad I'd probably do my best to baby it if I had one .. but the whole plan falls apart at the selling it stage If I do get one of these, and like it as much as I hope to, it'll have to be my kids that sell it. I've wanted one (or two) of these for far FAR too long to imagine selling it... but yes to the rest, as much as possible at least, given how much use I imagine it would get. yup. My wife is WAY to hip to fall for those lame "investment" scams. She knows me too well, and knows that great gear never gets sold here. Especially rare, expensive microphones. LOL |
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Post by drbill on Jul 26, 2022 21:48:34 GMT -6
I don't know, I'm not impressed with that sound. My guess is it's over-processed. I never understood the hype surrounding the M49. I foolishly sold my Blackspade UM-17R and it sounded quite like an M49, maybe better actually. Still, I wanted more.. Here's a comparison between the vintage Neumann U47, M49, U67, C-12, Blackspade UM-17R, the Soyuz 0-19 FET. realgearonline.com/thread/5685/high-end-mic-shootout-preview?page=4See how close the Blackspade is to the M49? The Soyuz was actually similar to the U-47, even though it's FET. There's a reason that the U47 ended up as the king of pop/rock/country/etc. vocal mics. M49's are like a lot of vintage mics though - some have the magic, and some don't. The 249 at Capitol HAS IT BIG TIME and is one of the few mics I've ever used that I would do almost anything to won. The pair at Conway are a must use for me any time I'm there. A bunch of the others are not quite there for me. That one reason I'm not chomping at the bit for this new one. Maybe it will have the magic fairy dust. Maybe not. Time will tell. |
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Post by drbill on Jul 26, 2022 21:54:51 GMT -6
we had the U49, and he had not seen that microphone before. Hahaha! No wonder. Miles was discerning I guess. I've never seen a U49 either. . And that weird about the 67. I've never heard anyone describe them as "high pitched" before. |
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Post by sean on Jul 26, 2022 22:10:49 GMT -6
I got to see and hear it at a private event today with about a dozen other engineers. It’s a nice looking and sounding microphone, like the U67 I see where the cost cutting measures are (binder connector, cable, power supply, finish) but I think it’s going to sell incredibly well and if you are seriously interested I’d get an order in because I think once the “official” announcement is made I would expect a rather long wait time.
Right now I’m trying to decide if I want to jump into ATMOS…which would cost even more than a M49V unfortunately…so I’m probably not a buyer right now
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2022 22:11:17 GMT -6
I never understood the hype surrounding the M49. It's not my bag either but that's primarily subjective, I'm one of those rare few that gets along with the C800 although I understand why some engineers don't like it. I see the M49 / 251 / C800 etc. as specialist mic's with their own followings.
Although there are a lot of mic's for a fraction of the price that'll do a similar job. I guess it depends if nothing but the exact original sound will do (even though that varies from mic to mic, especially in the vintage arena), personally I'm a bit flexible in those regards so a decent approximation covers it and my wallet thanks me in kind. Not always though..
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Post by ab101 on Jul 26, 2022 23:01:04 GMT -6
I have always wondered if Miles would have used the 49 today? There are so many options, including ribbons. Samar has that slight sweetness of a ribbon with a lot of detail. AEA A-440s love brass, winds and strings. Actually, I used the gefell um70s on a symphony *no politics*etter and it was amazing. Now, a gefell um70 reissue (with the transformer) would interest me! (Guess it gives a no politics warning when I mention a particular brass instrument. ) |
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Post by chessparov on Jul 26, 2022 23:03:57 GMT -6
we had the U49, and he had not seen that microphone before. Hahaha! No wonder. Miles was discerning I guess. I've never seen a U49 either. . And that weird about the 67. I've never heard anyone describe them as "high pitched" before. Also weird is Laico's timeline... U67 was introduced in 1960. Not earlier. Maybe he meant "47" or a typo in the original writing.  Chris P.S. My spidey-sense is the 49 is a "anything" mic, like Dr. Bill said. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 26, 2022 23:21:40 GMT -6
It's not my bag either but that's primarily subjective, I'm one of those rare few that gets along with the C800 although I understand why some engineers don't like it. I see the M49 / 251 / C800 etc. as specialist mic's with their own followings.
Although there are a lot of mic's for a fraction of the price that'll do a similar job. I guess it depends if nothing but the exact original sound will do (even though that varies from mic to mic, especially in the vintage arena), personally I'm a bit flexible in those regards so a decent approximation covers it and my wallet thanks me in kind. Not always though..
That's the best description of the 251, M49 and C800 I've read yet Shadow. Of course they're wonderful mics, but they do seem to be much more in need of being a perfect fit for a specific person. Think about the U67. Every time you see a photo of Dylan, The Beatles, The Stones, and so many other classic rock musicians, you're bound to see a U67 there with them. That thing is about as right as any mic has ever been. |
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Post by Blackdawg on Jul 27, 2022 2:21:02 GMT -6
Would love a pair. Where I work could afford it. But not sure if we'd use them enough to justify it.
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Post by christophert on Jul 27, 2022 3:43:22 GMT -6
I would love one, but skeptical that it will be as good as an original with a different tube.
There are plenty of great sounding mics in the world - even more so when they are run through great tube preamps.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2022 6:59:16 GMT -6
That's the best description of the 251, M49 and C800 I've read yet Shadow. Of course they're wonderful mics, but they do seem to be much more in need of being a perfect fit for a specific person. Think about the U67. Every time you see a photo of Dylan, The Beatles, The Stones, and so many other classic rock musicians, you're bound to see a U67 there with them. That thing is about as right as any mic has ever been. As soon as I heard the M49 I thought classic crooner mic. There's a difference between self recording and an engineering approach where in the former you're looking for what works for you, the latter is for potential clients working across multiple genre's not just rock. Now I've been out of the game for a while I forget that sometimes but it is why studio's have variations.. If I were recording Sam Smith (hypothetically) for example an M49 is probably one of the first mic's I'd try.
Another example (none hypothetically), I'm not a fan of Shure dynamics but as I recorded nothing but metal they got used more than any other mic in my studio. That's the aesthetic they were after so that's what I gave them.. A few wanted super polished shiny pop rock and that's when the U87 or 67 would appear.
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Post by Vincent R. on Jul 27, 2022 7:46:23 GMT -6
You guys are great, very supportive I may call on you next year to sign a petition to hand to Mrs hightenor as to all the logical, musical and investment reasons that a T-Funk 251 E should enter my audio world. But sorry this has got a bit OT, back to the Neumann M49 - a mic I'm embarrassed to say I have no personal experience with. What is the main use for a 49? What's it's go to source to mic? For those unfamiliar with the 49 sound, I did a comparison between the FleA 47 and FleA 49, and while neither is an original, FleA does a darn good job with both mics. This should still give you an idea of how the mic sounds. What I will say is both FleAs while are a little light in the low end when compared to the real deal. Samples start about 6 mins in. I did a pretty big shoot out at a couple of studios and while the M49 could be a touch dark in my middle voice, the top end when I really let rip is just amazing. An M49C at Barbershop Studios stopped both myself and jeremygillespie big time, and was the clear winner over the M269 & U67. But, I'm a classical crossover guy who also croons. I have found for more rock recordings that the U67 or U47 is a touch better suited, at least on my voice and the few people I have over at my studio. I think it really works on tenor vocals. One of the big applications for the M49 was classical vocals before the industry shifted to SDCs and a "capture the sound as purely as possible" approach to recording Opera. Jussi Bjorling, Franco Corelli, Maria Callas, Giuseppe DiStefano, can all be seen in photos recording through an M49. Early legit Broadway casts recordings like My Fair Lady, Camelot, etc use them as well. drbill funny enough I totally get the comment about the U67 vs the M49 for Miles Davis. The U67 may not have the top end lift the M49 has, but it also doesn't have the low mid beef, giving the U67 more clarity and focus. When I did a sax recording for my Christmas album I had both my MK U67 and FleA 49 up. It was pretty clear to me if the sax had been the featured instrument the FleA 49 would have been the ticket, but for our song it was a supporting instrument and my wife's vocal was the feature, so we used the MK U67. Funny enough the FleA 49 can make my wife's voice a little too much bigger than life, so she ended up on the MK U67 too. |
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Post by chessparov on Jul 27, 2022 9:45:16 GMT -6
It's not my bag either but that's primarily subjective, I'm one of those rare few that gets along with the C800 although I understand why some engineers don't like it. I see the M49 / 251 / C800 etc. as specialist mic's with their own followings.
Although there are a lot of mic's for a fraction of the price that'll do a similar job. I guess it depends if nothing but the exact original sound will do (even though that varies from mic to mic, especially in the vintage arena), personally I'm a bit flexible in those regards so a decent approximation covers it and my wallet thanks me in kind. Not always though..
That's the best description of the 251, M49 and C800 I've read yet Shadow. Of course they're wonderful mics, but they do seem to be much more in need of being a perfect fit for a specific person. Think about the U67. Every time you see a photo of Dylan, The Beatles, The Stones, and so many other classic rock musicians, you're bound to see a U67 there with them. That thing is about as right as any mic has ever been. Bob Ohlsson's positive posts regarding the (unmodded) U67, also has been a big influence on me. Chris |
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Post by drbill on Jul 27, 2022 10:22:18 GMT -6
Another shot of the M49V from an engineer who has early access: http://instagr.am/p/CgcKSAFIUjn Also reading from the other site that Neumann is requiring some folks who have pre-ordered to submit biographies, for the purposes of assigning a name to the microphone (they may want the early batches in the hands of heavy hitters) and to avoid studios and collectors hoarding them. Honestly, I have to say I'm a little disappointed by the "look" of the new 49. I was expecting something more traditional, and less like their modern offerings. No comment on the sound yet. Has anyone mentioned what tube is in it yet? |
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Post by chessparov on Jul 27, 2022 10:36:24 GMT -6
Same one as a C800G? Chris |
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Post by Vincent R. on Jul 27, 2022 10:42:30 GMT -6
Honestly, I have to say I'm a little disappointed by the "look" of the new 49. I was expecting something more traditional, and less like their modern offerings. No comment on the sound yet. Has anyone mentioned what tube is in it yet? As of right now the tube choice is unknown. I kind of like the look. It looks essentially the same as the older one, but with the newer finish. I do prefer the Jewel to the Neumann logo though. I imagine it looks a lot like their TLM 49. TLM 49 next to my FleA 49: http://instagr.am/p/CUJf5D9twlc |
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Post by ab101 on Jul 27, 2022 10:57:44 GMT -6
I would love one, but skeptical that it will be as good as an original with a different tube. There are plenty of great sounding mics in the world - even more so when they are run through great tube preamps. You bring up a good point. Of course, the source is important as well as the mic. But some preamps can really make a difference too. I love my Locomotive 286a pre when I want that rich tubey sound - and yet have some control about the amount of it. |
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Post by sean on Jul 27, 2022 11:10:26 GMT -6
The tube is a subminiature tube and according the Neumann representative last night it’s “a tube used in another one of our current microphones”…which could only be what’s in the M149/M150 I believe
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Post by Vincent R. on Jul 27, 2022 12:10:13 GMT -6
I believe they use the 6111 tube currently in the M149. As a spare part it comes soldered to the circuit board for the M149.
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Post by ab101 on Jul 27, 2022 12:28:32 GMT -6
I believe they use the 6111 tube currently in the M149. As a spare part it comes soldered to the circuit board for the M149. And in the M147. I was expecting a more creative option for some reason. |
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Post by dreamsambas on Jul 27, 2022 13:16:32 GMT -6
Could it be an EF86? I chatted with Klaus briefly, years ago, about doing a DIY build inspired by an M49.
Klaus hated the idea (haha). But he suggested that, if I did do it, to use a tube like an EF86, that was worthy of being in a mic.
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