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Post by crillemannen on Jul 24, 2022 12:07:37 GMT -6
“… and will be extremely limited” - what does that even mean? If it’s anything as presented here, I truly could care less and shame on Neumann! They will reveal the exact number in their press release. They will make as many as the staff is able to produce/ month. Which will be a very small batch. Expect to wait 1-2y if you're not lucky heh ✌️ |
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Post by olionajudah on Jul 24, 2022 12:08:54 GMT -6
“… and will be extremely limited” - what does that even mean? If it’s anything as presented here, I truly could care less and shame on Neumann! Maybe it's a marketing gimmick to see how the market reacts? If it has a different tube, I see no reason to make it extremely limited. Wasn't the 47 fet initially introduced as a limited run? ..at least until initial sales justified full production.. though I could have a mistaken impression here. My read of that instagram post is that it may be production capacity that is limited (all hand-built by one of only 3 techs), which may mean long wait times rather than a strictly limited run. I can't recall them doing a limited production run since those u67 SLO ("special limited offer") editions in 1991 using NOS parts ... and with a new tube, I just can't think of any good reason, short of weak demand, to limit these. Might just be wishful thinking on my part.. but hoping they make enough for me to get one. |
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Post by recordingengineer on Jul 24, 2022 12:48:54 GMT -6
Expect to wait 1-2y if you're not lucky heh ✌️ If that’s the case, that’s cool. So be it… As long as people don’t give Neumann a pass (just because it’s Neumann) after endlessly criticizing others. |
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Post by chessparov on Jul 24, 2022 12:54:21 GMT -6
I'm too much of a lazy boy for that "falling over" thang.
But now the new M49 has to come with a mandatory warning...
Plus a 7 day waiting period in California and New York.
(Texas and Florida however, will allow open carry)
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Post by ericn on Jul 24, 2022 13:24:26 GMT -6
“… and will be extremely limited” - what does that even mean? If it’s anything as presented here, I truly could care less and shame on Neumann! Translation, this is not going to be a mad market product. They will make them in small batches while they can get parts and there is demand. In other words made to order, don’t be expecting a dealer to have a bunch on the shelf with a deep discount. |
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Post by paulcheeba on Jul 24, 2022 16:00:17 GMT -6
At the moment they are targeting people to sell them to as the numbers will likely be small. I am excited I got an order in so fingers crossed.
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Post by ab101 on Jul 24, 2022 20:57:49 GMT -6
When we find out the tube they are using, that may be indicative of how many will get "manufactured" over the next several years.
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Post by Hudsonic on Jul 25, 2022 7:27:42 GMT -6
Marketing speak from Neumann is suspect and leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I say this because it smacks of the way a luxury product is marketed including "aspirational pricing."
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Post by ericn on Jul 25, 2022 7:40:11 GMT -6
Marketing speak from Neumann is suspect and leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I say this because it smacks of the way a luxury product is marketed including "aspirational pricing." Unfortunately my friend we have become a fashion industry, it’s sad but true. |
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Post by Chad on Jul 25, 2022 11:21:48 GMT -6
“… and will be extremely limited” - what does that even mean? If it’s anything as presented here, I truly could care less and shame on Neumann! Maybe it's a marketing gimmick to see how the market reacts? If it has a different tube, I see no reason to make it extremely limited. Except... Most tubes (that I'm aware of) are coming out of Russia, and... That may be their biggest challenge... Geopolitical problems. |
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Post by Vincent R. on Jul 25, 2022 11:42:10 GMT -6
Maybe it's a marketing gimmick to see how the market reacts? If it has a different tube, I see no reason to make it extremely limited. Except... Most tubes (that I'm aware of) are coming out of Russia, and... That may be their biggest challenge... Geopolitical problems. That is my thought as well. |
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Post by ab101 on Jul 25, 2022 19:13:30 GMT -6
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Post by Chad on Jul 25, 2022 22:13:23 GMT -6
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Post by Vincent R. on Jul 26, 2022 6:32:03 GMT -6
My FleA 49s use a 6S-6BV Tube. Most custom builds us the 5840. RMS Audioworks uses a 5703 tube also. That's what my RMS 269 had as well. I doubt Neumann would go with an electronic tube. |
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Post by thehightenor on Jul 26, 2022 6:54:56 GMT -6
Obviously you need the capital handy, but you cannot go wrong buying these high end tube mics - they are truly inflation busting.
I bought an early Wunder CM7 12+ years ago for 3K and just recently someone offered me 5K for it as they're now nearly 7K new!
I mean a family holiday for 4 abroad in the sun, staying in a decent hotel for a week is 5K or 6K with spending money and that's over in the blink of an eye!
A tube mic will be in use for decades and then after that you'll get at least your money back but highly likely a profit.
I wonder how many people will buy this "limited edition" mic and leave it mint in box to sell on in the future - inflation is currently reducing the value of money
in the bank to the tune of 9% per annum in my part of the world!
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Post by olionajudah on Jul 26, 2022 9:28:29 GMT -6
I wonder how many people will buy this "limited edition" mic and leave it mint in box to sell on in the future - inflation is currently reducing the value of money in the bank to the tune of 9% per annum in my part of the world! Just seems like a shame to me, with limited production capacity and so many wanting one (or two) to actually use. It also seems like there are significantly better places to invest your money, eg: Real Estate, which obviously requires a lot more capital, but even the stock market should perform quite a bit better over time. That said, I bought a pair of km84s with the vintage shock mounts 3 years ago for ~2600. Reverb's own price graph makes it look like that was on the lower end, but I imagine reverb's price data skews high, with most of these changing hands between individual buyers. The same chart seems to indicate these have appreciated by ~50-80% in that time, though I expect 84s (and 86s) are at the upper end of the spectrum. I've still done significantly better with some investments, and significantly worse with others, particularly when accounting for the cost, not to mention the risks of ownership, but it ain't bad.
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Post by thehightenor on Jul 26, 2022 12:22:05 GMT -6
I wonder how many people will buy this "limited edition" mic and leave it mint in box to sell on in the future - inflation is currently reducing the value of money in the bank to the tune of 9% per annum in my part of the world! Just seems like a shame to me, with limited production capacity and so many wanting one (or two) to actually use. It also seems like there are significantly better places to invest your money, eg: Real Estate, which obviously requires a lot more capital, but even the stock market should perform quite a bit better over time. That said, I bought a pair of km84s with the vintage shock mounts 3 years ago for ~2600. Reverb's own price graph makes it look like that was on the lower end, but I imagine reverb's price data skews high, with most of these changing hands between individual buyers. The same chart seems to indicate these have appreciated by ~50-80% in that time, though I expect 84s (and 86s) are at the upper end of the spectrum. I've still done significantly better with some investments, and significantly worse with others, particularly when accounting for the cost, not to mention the risks of ownership, but it ain't bad.
Still. I very much hope that these end up in the hands of actual users well before the speculators. I'm with you on this - buy the mic - use the mic to make music. I just need to make sure I don't let my wife see your post about sinking money into shares (please stop making sensible suggestions  ) you see .... I've been buttering her up in preparation for my 60th birthday next year as I've long, long wanted a Telefunken ELA M 251 E. |
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Post by olionajudah on Jul 26, 2022 13:36:39 GMT -6
Just seems like a shame to me, with limited production capacity and so many wanting one (or two) to actually use. It also seems like there are significantly better places to invest your money, eg: Real Estate, which obviously requires a lot more capital, but even the stock market should perform quite a bit better over time. That said, I bought a pair of km84s with the vintage shock mounts 3 years ago for ~2600. Reverb's own price graph makes it look like that was on the lower end, but I imagine reverb's price data skews high, with most of these changing hands between individual buyers. The same chart seems to indicate these have appreciated by ~50-80% in that time, though I expect 84s (and 86s) are at the upper end of the spectrum. I've still done significantly better with some investments, and significantly worse with others, particularly when accounting for the cost, not to mention the risks of ownership, but it ain't bad.
Still. I very much hope that these end up in the hands of actual users well before the speculators. I'm with you on this - buy the mic - use the mic to make music. I just need to make sure I don't let my wife see your post about sinking money into shares (please stop making sensible suggestions ) you see .... I've been buttering her up in preparation for my 60th birthday next year as I've long, long wanted a Telefunken ELA M 251 E. Well, In case she does, it's only fair to share that I lost nearly 70% on netflix shares I bought less than a year ago. That ain't likely happening with an ELA M 251 E ...drool.. 60 is a nice number. Congrats! You deserve it my friend. You can probably see me in your rear view! ..and Not EVERYTHING in life has to be 'sensible' SOME things should be based purely on love. I have no real name, profile or "clout" to speak of, which I'm starting to think may impede my access, but I would LOVE an M49V (ok two!) .. and Neumann can be *damn sure* it would get used, not resold.. or sold *at all* if we're being honest .. at least as long as I'm around. I've got records to make! Can I still tell my wife it's an investment though? Best of luck to us both! |
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Post by Chad on Jul 26, 2022 14:43:18 GMT -6
I wonder how many people will buy this "limited edition" mic and leave it mint in box to sell on in the future - inflation is currently reducing the value of money in the bank to the tune of 9% per annum in my part of the world! Just seems like a shame to me, with limited production capacity and so many wanting one (or two) to actually use. It also seems like there are significantly better places to invest your money, eg: Real Estate, which obviously requires a lot more capital, but even the stock market should perform quite a bit better over time. That said, I bought a pair of km84s with the vintage shock mounts 3 years ago for ~2600. Reverb's own price graph makes it look like that was on the lower end, but I imagine reverb's price data skews high, with most of these changing hands between individual buyers. The same chart seems to indicate these have appreciated by ~50-80% in that time, though I expect 84s (and 86s) are at the upper end of the spectrum. I've still done significantly better with some investments, and significantly worse with others, particularly when accounting for the cost, not to mention the risks of ownership, but it ain't bad.
Still. I very much hope that these end up in the hands of actual users well before the speculators. If you have a small project studio used only by yourself, AND if you're crazy careful opening up everything from outer cardboard box, all the way to plastic bag around the mic / cable / etc., you can have it both ways. Use the mic, take special care not to put a mark on her, and then resell it as MINT / near-NOS in 10-20 years. Chad |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2022 15:28:50 GMT -6
I'm with you on this - buy the mic - use the mic to make music. I just need to make sure I don't let my wife see your post about sinking money into shares (please stop making sensible suggestions ) you see .... I've been buttering her up in preparation for my 60th birthday next year as I've long, long wanted a Telefunken ELA M 251 E. Do it, do it, do it.. Not trying to nudge you but they are sublime mic's and as you said an "investment" plus all of those other self persuading reasons you can think of. Let me demonstrate, you only live once, you work hard so why not? And so on.. 
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Post by thehightenor on Jul 26, 2022 17:01:10 GMT -6
You guys are great, very supportive I may call on you next year to sign a petition to hand to Mrs hightenor as to all the logical, musical and investment reasons that a T-Funk 251 E should enter my audio world. But sorry this has got a bit OT, back to the Neumann M49 - a mic I'm embarrassed to say I have no personal experience with. What is the main use for a 49? What's it's go to source to mic? |
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Post by chessparov on Jul 26, 2022 17:22:08 GMT -6
Think Steve Perry's voice thy High Tenor. I know Klaus sold him at least one a while back, based on his posts. Klaus' that is.  Based on where I know a 49 was used over a K47 47... Has a "sweeter" sound over the more Rock n Roll 47. Unless it had a M7 Ala Ricky Nelson's 50's/early 60's hits. Feel free to correct me 47/49 Mavens! Chris |
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Post by bossanova on Jul 26, 2022 17:57:33 GMT -6
You guys are great, very supportive I may call on you next year to sign a petition to hand to Mrs hightenor as to all the logical, musical and investment reasons that a T-Funk 251 E should enter my audio world. But sorry this has got a bit OT, back to the Neumann M49 - a mic I'm embarrassed to say I have no personal experience with. What is the main use for a 49? What's it's go to source to mic? I know you can see it used on Rex Harrison recording the Cast album for My Fair Lady. It was also the go-to for Miles Davis for many years. Rex could definitely shout on some of those songs, so I’m wondering if they used it for sources that they wanted to warm up or take some edge off. I’d be interested to know if someone has info along those lines regarding a 49 being preferred over a 47 for certain situations back then, pre U67s, or if it was just a question of what a studio had in the locker. |
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Post by olionajudah on Jul 26, 2022 18:35:34 GMT -6
Just seems like a shame to me, with limited production capacity and so many wanting one (or two) to actually use. It also seems like there are significantly better places to invest your money, eg: Real Estate, which obviously requires a lot more capital, but even the stock market should perform quite a bit better over time. That said, I bought a pair of km84s with the vintage shock mounts 3 years ago for ~2600. Reverb's own price graph makes it look like that was on the lower end, but I imagine reverb's price data skews high, with most of these changing hands between individual buyers. The same chart seems to indicate these have appreciated by ~50-80% in that time, though I expect 84s (and 86s) are at the upper end of the spectrum. I've still done significantly better with some investments, and significantly worse with others, particularly when accounting for the cost, not to mention the risks of ownership, but it ain't bad.
Still. I very much hope that these end up in the hands of actual users well before the speculators. If you have a small project studio used only by yourself, AND if you're crazy careful opening up everything from outer cardboard box, all the way to plastic bag around the mic / cable / etc., you can have it both ways. Use the mic, take special care not to put a mark on her, and then resell it as MINT / near-NOS in 10-20 years. Chad I'd probably do my best to baby it if I had one .. but the whole plan falls apart at the selling it stage If I do get one of these, and like it as much as I hope to, it'll have to be my kids that sell it. I've wanted one (or two) of these for far FAR too long to imagine selling it. .. but yes to the rest, as much as possible at least, given how much use I imagine it would get. |
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Post by bossanova on Jul 26, 2022 18:53:42 GMT -6
From Frank Laico at Blue Note: “By the time I began working with Miles (1956, recording Round Midnight), we had the U49, and he had not seen that microphone before. I said, ‘I’d like to try this for you. It’s got a nice full sound, whereas the 67s are very high‑pitched mics.’”
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