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Post by superwack on Aug 6, 2021 17:44:02 GMT -6
Congrats but I admit I'm a bit sad I never got a response to my pre-order days ago... sigh I don't see a PM from you. I emailed back everyone that emailed me. If you emailed, please forward it to me. Thanks! Thanks, I emailed you at info@serranoaudio.com and just forwarded that email to you again. I understand if I've missed it and appreciate the follow-up but totally understand if I have to wait til they are released. |
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Post by cserrano on Aug 6, 2021 18:27:13 GMT -6
superwack I don't see a PM from you. I emailed back everyone that emailed me. If you emailed, please forward it to me. Thanks! Thanks, I emailed you at info@serranoaudio.com and just forwarded that email to you again. I understand if I've missed it and appreciate the follow-up but totally understand if I have to wait til they are released. I had you down. My confirmation email must of went to your spambox. |
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Post by superwack on Aug 6, 2021 19:26:03 GMT -6
Thanks, I emailed you at info@serranoaudio.com and just forwarded that email to you again. I understand if I've missed it and appreciate the follow-up but totally understand if I have to wait til they are released. I had you down. My confirmation email must of went to your spambox. Thanks excellent news (but I've checked my spam - both yesterday and today - and there isn't anything from you in there. Can you resend?) |
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Post by vintagetubelug on Aug 8, 2021 20:56:30 GMT -6
These look great! If I didn't already have some KM84s I would jump on it. I'm holding out hope that your next venture is a Serrano 67!
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Post by the other mark williams on Aug 8, 2021 23:03:13 GMT -6
These look great! If I didn't already have some KM84s I would jump on it. I'm holding out hope that your next venture is a Serrano 67! I hope it is, too! |
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Post by OtisGreying on Sept 4, 2021 22:22:08 GMT -6
I think they sound pretty close. The KM84 is a bit tighter in the low end (the low end blooms more on the Serrano) and the mids at like 2k-5k are a little different. The Serrano sounds like a nice mic though. Congrats! I agree with this. It sounds like theres slightly more sizzle in the high midrange on the Neumann and the lows dont resonate quite as much. Really splitting hairs but maybe Carlos could accommodate a slight tuning adjustment if requested in this regard? |
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Post by Chad on Sept 5, 2021 6:21:28 GMT -6
I own two Neumann KM84’s. In the one acoustic guitar trial recording I did with them right after I traded for them 3 years ago, they both sounded great, but with different frequencies standing out in the mids. They each sound good, but they’re definitely not a matched pair. My guess is they’re probably a decade apart in manufacturing dates (I should write to Neumann and find out).
To my point: Basically, my two KM84’s each have a sound that is farther apart from each other than this Serrano 84 is from the KM84 it went up against.
So... Based on that experience of my own KM’s, I’m impressed with the Serrano 84 i’m hearing in these clips.
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Post by cserrano on Sept 5, 2021 13:32:48 GMT -6
I think they sound pretty close. The KM84 is a bit tighter in the low end (the low end blooms more on the Serrano) and the mids at like 2k-5k are a little different. The Serrano sounds like a nice mic though. Congrats! I agree with this. It sounds like theres slightly more sizzle in the high midrange on the Neumann and the lows dont resonate quite as much. Really splitting hairs but maybe Carlos could accommodate a slight tuning adjustment if requested in this regard? Thank you all for your comments. Very recently, I've been able to extend the low end in the Serrano 84 to match closer to the Neumann KM84. It's not exact but it's super close! But as Chad mentioned, two vintage Neumann KM84's will usually sound different. Here are some new recordings in which you can compare the two. Levels are close but not exactly matched. You can also download the file below to load in your DAW. Direct download: Neumann File
Serrano Filehttps%3A//soundcloud.com/user-519312203/neumann-km84-test-2%3Fin%3Duser-519312203/sets/serrano-84-vs-neumann-84-test-2https%3A//soundcloud.com/user-519312203/serrano-84-test-2%3Fin%3Duser-519312203/sets/serrano-84-vs-neumann-84-test-2
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Post by vintagetubelug on Sept 6, 2021 12:44:16 GMT -6
I agree with this. It sounds like theres slightly more sizzle in the high midrange on the Neumann and the lows dont resonate quite as much. Really splitting hairs but maybe Carlos could accommodate a slight tuning adjustment if requested in this regard? Thank you all for your comments. Very recently, I've been able to extend the low end in the Serrano 84 to match closer to the Neumann KM84. It's not exact but it's super close! But as Chad mentioned, two vintage Neumann KM84's will usually sound different. Here are some new recordings in which you can compare the two. Levels are close but not exactly matched. You can also download the file below to load in your DAW. Direct download: Neumann File
Serrano File
Your 84 is sounding really great Carlos. PM sent |
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Post by craigmorris74 on Sept 7, 2021 7:31:56 GMT -6
Pretty impressive!
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Post by superwack on Sept 7, 2021 12:17:35 GMT -6
The tweak in the low-end really helped and these are sounding even better! After a lot of A/B'ing I agree with what was said above, the biggest difference now is in 2-5k making the Serrano 84 seem a little murkier and less even than the Neumann, if that could be brought up a tiny bit, it would be amazing.
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Post by nick8801 on Sept 7, 2021 13:04:09 GMT -6
The tweak in the low-end really helped and these are sounding even better! After a lot of A/B'ing I agree with what was said above, the biggest difference now is in 2-5k making the Serrano 84 seem a little murkier and less even than the Neumann, if that could be brought up a tiny bit, it would be amazing. Agree....It's super close but missing a little of that presence that the Neumann brings. Still very nice sounding! |
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Post by gouge on Sept 7, 2021 15:14:14 GMT -6
im kinda excited by the tweaks. cant wait to hear where it leads.
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Post by ragan on Sept 7, 2021 16:28:28 GMT -6
Sounds nice, less of a major difference in the low end for sure.
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Post by OtisGreying on Sept 7, 2021 19:34:45 GMT -6
The direct comparisons coming straight from Carlos really does attest to how good the work is and how confident he is in the sound. I’ve seen MANY clone companies not willing to take that step which communicates a lot just by their inaction there.
My 87s sounds tremendous so I’m definitely excited for these 84s and Carlos’s future endeavors!
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Post by Ward on Sept 8, 2021 5:49:24 GMT -6
The tweak in the low-end really helped and these are sounding even better! After a lot of A/B'ing I agree with what was said above, the biggest difference now is in 2-5k making the Serrano 84 seem a little murkier and less even than the Neumann, if that could be brought up a tiny bit, it would be amazing. That appears to be transient response as well as phase issues related to venting differences. Minute differences, but it matters a great deal to us pickier than most folks kind of audio guys. Agree....It's super close but missing a little of that presence that the Neumann brings. Still very nice sounding! There are some differences in the lower mud-range area also, which is affecting acute listeners. Many microphones suffer from mud accumulation in the 200-350 range, and it is something you can carve out with EQ but never seems to solve the issue. The direct comparisons coming straight from Carlos really does attest to how good the work is and how confident he is in the sound. I’ve seen MANY clone companies not willing to take that step which communicates a lot just by their inaction there. His willingness to listen is FABULOUS!! I am beyond impressed. My 87s sounds tremendous so I’m definitely excited for these 84s and Carlos’s future endeavors! Mine does as well! It's incredible. I thought the headbasket differences would be insrumountable, but I am happily wrong about that |
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Post by cserrano on Sept 23, 2021 11:01:58 GMT -6
Greetings once again! Please have a listen to the most recent and 3rd comparison of the Neumann KM84 and the upcoming Serrano 84. BOTH, the low-end and top-end are now extremely close and I don't think I will tweaking things any further! Below you will also find a comparison between the omnidirectional capsules, namely the Neumann KK83 and Serrano 83. The Serrano KK83 omni capsule will be including with the Serrano 84, whether you purchase just one or a pair. The tracks are not 100% level matched but you can directly download the files. SERRANO 84 https%3A//soundcloud.com/user-519312203/serrano-84-test-3NEUMANN KM84 https%3A//soundcloud.com/user-519312203/neumann-km84-test-3Direct Download: Serrano 84 Direct DownloadNeumann KM84 Direct DownloadSerrano 83 vs Neumann KK83 - Omni (please forgive the bad room acoustics)SERRANO 83 https%3A//soundcloud.com/user-519312203/serrano-83-omni-testNEUMANN KK83 https%3A//soundcloud.com/user-519312203/neumann-kk83-omni-testDirect Download:
Serrano 83Neumann KK83Warmly, Carlos Attachments:
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Post by enlav on Sept 23, 2021 11:24:30 GMT -6
The Serrano KK83 omni capsule will be including with the Serrano 84, whether you purchase just one or a pair. Whoa, that's a generous perk (at least, I don't remember hearing about an 83 capsule earlier). Even more excited now! |
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Post by Chad on Sept 23, 2021 11:48:15 GMT -6
This is reminding me of another thread on here where we're discussing two mics being paired for "stereo" and how close do they need to be in order for it to work well. Just listening in my Apple earpods, but seriously... cserrano ... I think you could use your mic and a real KM84 as a pair from what I'm hearing, and it would work just fine. I'm sensing similar eq curves, plus a similar transient response and output transformer compression going on. I'm impressed. |
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Post by vintagetubelug on Sept 23, 2021 11:52:32 GMT -6
Greetings once again! Please have a listen to the most recent and 3rd comparison of the Neumann KM84 and the upcoming Serrano 84. BOTH, the low-end and top-end are extremely close! Below you will also find a comparison between the omnidirectional capsules, namely the Neumann KK83 and Serrano 83. The Serrano KK83 omni capsule will be including with the Serrano 84, whether you purchase just one or a pair. The tracks are not 100% level matched but you can directly download the files.
Well now I am even more happy I got in for an early pair!
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Post by OtisGreying on Sept 23, 2021 13:51:09 GMT -6
Greetings once again! Please have a listen to the most recent and 3rd comparison of the Neumann KM84 and the upcoming Serrano 84. BOTH, the low-end and top-end are extremely close! Below you will also find a comparison between the omnidirectional capsules, namely the Neumann KK83 and Serrano 83. The Serrano KK83 omni capsule will be including with the Serrano 84, whether you purchase just one or a pair. The tracks are not 100% level matched but you can directly download the files.
Well now I am even more happy I got in for an early pair!
Me toooooo |
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Post by Ward on Sept 23, 2021 14:21:38 GMT -6
Thanks for sharing! Any way to DL those two, please?
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Post by cserrano on Sept 23, 2021 18:13:14 GMT -6
Thanks for sharing! Any way to DL those two, please? Right below the SoundCloud links, are links to do a direct download. |
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Post by Guitar on Sept 27, 2021 15:29:12 GMT -6
Wow your mic sounds great! I'm very impressed.
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Post by Ward on Sept 27, 2021 16:15:09 GMT -6
I spent some time analyzing and listening to the two clips over and over again... Carlos 83 sounds more like a great Neumann KM83 than the Neumann used in the comparison.
I'm very impressed!
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