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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 28, 2014 10:41:19 GMT -6
I've had the 176 too...freaking awesome. It's the more versatile of the two. But it doesn't have the euphonic bottom that the Sta has. Certainly way faster attack...It can clamp down on something and...well...sound awesome. It really is like a tube 1176...richer, thicker, smoother, etc.
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Post by mikec on Apr 28, 2014 13:58:34 GMT -6
Thanks John. I know I've not been on this forum long, but how am I not surprised that you have owned both. This is my kind of place.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 28, 2014 14:19:00 GMT -6
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Post by jcoutu1 on Apr 28, 2014 20:50:27 GMT -6
Here is a link to the retraced vocal, sans compression. So its just me into U87 BAE 1073DMP. (zip file contains acoustic and vocal tracks 44.1Khz 24 Bit) This song really is just over the limit of my range, but its a great test for me to hear the STA on as its the extremes of my voice, soft, belty etc so grain of salt served on side. It was also, interesting, tracking without the LA2A which I haven't done for a really long time... its a great crutch! 8) So feel free to run your favourite vocal compressor over this and see how it fares... would love to hear them. cheers Wiz dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13120658/Overwar%20no%20comp.zipHey wiz, I just ran these files through some compressors. Acoustic through a Thermionic Culture Phoenix Mastering Plus, a Tonelux TX5C, and an API 2500. Vocals went through the Phoenix, a Retro Doublewide, and the Tonelux. I imagine that you're okay with me adding them to my Soundcloud so y'all can listen? If you'd rather, I can email them to you and you can host them somewhere. Either way is cool with me. Cheers. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 28, 2014 21:00:10 GMT -6
Hell, we've all put them up already...go for it...
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Post by wiz on Apr 28, 2014 21:22:15 GMT -6
Here is a link to the retraced vocal, sans compression. So its just me into U87 BAE 1073DMP. (zip file contains acoustic and vocal tracks 44.1Khz 24 Bit) This song really is just over the limit of my range, but its a great test for me to hear the STA on as its the extremes of my voice, soft, belty etc so grain of salt served on side. It was also, interesting, tracking without the LA2A which I haven't done for a really long time... its a great crutch! 8) So feel free to run your favourite vocal compressor over this and see how it fares... would love to hear them. cheers Wiz dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13120658/Overwar%20no%20comp.zipHey wiz, I just ran these files through some compressors. Acoustic through a Thermionic Culture Phoenix Mastering Plus, a Tonelux TX5C, and an API 2500. Vocals went through the Phoenix, a Retro Doublewide, and the Tonelux. I imagine that you're okay with me adding them to my Soundcloud so y'all can listen? If you'd rather, I can email them to you and you can host them somewhere. Either way is cool with me. Cheers. Yeah, go for it 8) this is great, I really wanna hear these... cheers Wiz |
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Post by hadaja on Apr 29, 2014 1:45:28 GMT -6
Cheers Pete you get around, are you following me or am I following you?
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Post by wiz on Apr 29, 2014 2:07:41 GMT -6
You are in my mirrors Dale 8)
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Post by jcoutu1 on Apr 29, 2014 8:12:55 GMT -6
Hey wiz, I just ran these files through some compressors. Acoustic through a Thermionic Culture Phoenix Mastering Plus, a Tonelux TX5C, and an API 2500. Vocals went through the Phoenix, a Retro Doublewide, and the Tonelux. I imagine that you're okay with me adding them to my Soundcloud so y'all can listen? If you'd rather, I can email them to you and you can host them somewhere. Either way is cool with me. Cheers. Yeah, go for it 8) this is great, I really wanna hear these... cheers Wiz Well, here we go. I was trying to average 8-10db on the peaks of guitar and vocals. On the loudest peaks we pulled as much as 15-20db. soundcloud.com/jessecoutu/sets/wiz-over-the-war-compressor-shootoutNo level matching, I just set everything to pull the right amount of gain reduction. Tracks went through my Midas converters, through the VeniceF-32, through the compression, then back through the Midas converters. Files should be downloadable so you can stick them in your daw. Let me know if you have any questions or want me to run the files again with some different settings or anything.  |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Apr 29, 2014 12:42:43 GMT -6
Well, here we go. I was trying to average 8-10db on the peaks of guitar and vocals. On the loudest peaks we pulled as much as 15-20db. soundcloud.com/jessecoutu/sets/wiz-over-the-war-compressor-shootoutNo level matching, I just set everything to pull the right amount of gain reduction. Tracks went through my Midas converters, through the VeniceF-32, through the compression, then back through the Midas converters. Files should be downloadable so you can stick them in your daw. Let me know if you have any questions or want me to run the files again with some different settings or anything. Wow. Files must have been so bad that they killed the thread eh? |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 29, 2014 12:49:05 GMT -6
Sorry - just haven't had the time yet...I'll get to them tonight.
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Post by RicFoxx on Apr 29, 2014 15:35:58 GMT -6
After level matching and listening to jcoutu1 compression files, Im glad I've invested in the Sta Level for my vocal chain. Not that the other files sounded bad, actually they sounded pretty good but the Sta did exactly what I want in heavy compression...it's still dynamic and open but with a gloss and mojo...it's what wiz said about sitting perfectly without being squashed. I would probably mess around more with the attack in some of those files jcoutu1 |
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Post by wiz on Apr 29, 2014 15:36:13 GMT -6
I am on the other side of the world... will listen this morning, thanks so much for doing this....
cheers
Wiz
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Post by indiehouse on Apr 29, 2014 16:08:18 GMT -6
That's some really killer gear! After listening and reflecting a bit, I do have to agree with ricfoxx. I preferred the Sta here. It's a tad meatier while still bringing a certain detail and 'sheen' or 'air' to the vocal. The acoustic sounded fantastic as well. I felt the Phoenix was grabbing too much too late. Maybe the attack was off a bit? To be clear, all the files sound stellar. That's quite a collection!
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Post by wiz on Apr 29, 2014 16:11:06 GMT -6
Hi Jesse, I just had a listen through each, focussing mainly on the vocals, I will spend time through out the day going back and forth. Its wonderful to have so many versions of some really great compressors on my voice to listen to, feel a bit like a kid in a candy store... 8) Out of those comps you tested on vocals, its definitely the double wide for me. I must say though, on my voice, the STA is a real winner for sure... dammit . Thanks again for doing the test bud, if you ever need a favour , hit me up. I am going to go back and listen to everyones comps, I have everything in one logic project so its really invaluable to compare. It really is interesting, what different compressors (and settings obviously) do to the "intent" of the vocal as well as its dynamic control. I have 4 outboard comps here... Drip LA2A, WA76, and two JLM Audio Comps, a FC500 (think 1176 ish 500 series) and a JLM Audio LA500 (opto, 500 series) which I built. Out of the 4, the one that comes closest to dynamic control compared to the STA is the LA500. It doesn't have the same "tube tone" my LA2A gets near that, but can't do the vocal level thing. The LA500 cost me 300 bucks, have a listen. Its remarkable. dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13120658/Vox%20LA500.aifParticular interested for people to compare that against their STA version and see what you think. It might be handy for when tube is too much.... cheers Wiz |
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Post by wiz on Apr 29, 2014 16:16:36 GMT -6
This is probably very cheeky of me... but... what the hell...
anyone got a real Fairchild 670???
how cool would that be
8)
cheers
Wiz
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Post by RicFoxx on Apr 29, 2014 16:17:43 GMT -6
Hi Jesse, I just had a listen through each, focussing mainly on the vocals, I will spend time through out the day going back and forth. Its wonderful to have so many versions of some really great compressors on my voice to listen to, feel a bit like a kid in a candy store... 8) Out of those comps you tested on vocals, its definitely the double wide for me. I must say though, on my voice, the STA is a real winner for sure... dammit . Thanks again for doing the test bud, if you ever need a favour , hit me up. I am going to go back and listen to everyones comps, I have everything in one logic project so its really invaluable to compare. It really is interesting, what different compressors (and settings obviously) do to the "intent" of the vocal as well as its dynamic control. I have 4 outboard comps here... Drip LA2A, WA76, and two JLM Audio Comps, a FC500 (think 1176 ish 500 series) and a JLM Audio LA500 (opto, 500 series) which I built. Out of the 4, the one that comes closest to dynamic control compared to the STA is the LA500. It doesn't have the same "tube tone" my LA2A gets near that, but can't do the vocal level thing. The LA500 cost me 300 bucks, have a listen. Its remarkable. dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13120658/Vox%20LA500.aifParticular interested for people to compare that against their STA version and see what you think. It might be handy for when tube is too much.... cheers Wiz put that WA76 in front of the LA 500 and see what you think. |
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Post by RicFoxx on Apr 29, 2014 16:18:19 GMT -6
This is probably very cheeky of me... but... what the hell... anyone got a real Fairchild 670??? how cool would that be 8) cheers Wiz Or maybe the Anamod. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Apr 29, 2014 16:19:33 GMT -6
This is probably very cheeky of me... but... what the hell... anyone got a real Fairchild 670??? how cool would that be 8) cheers Wiz |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Apr 29, 2014 16:30:04 GMT -6
I also felt like the Sta was the winner on vocals here with the DW coming in second.
I was having a bit of trouble getting the Phoenix and Tonelux to pull 10+dB of compression, so I think that played into it a bit. The Phoenix is going to mainly be used very lightly on input and on my 2 buss after my RJR SSL-type. I don't really see myself pulling 10db+ with it ever. The Tonelux also didn't feel right pulling down big numbers. It felt like it was working too hard. I think it could work well on acoustic, just a bit lighter. I actually dug the 2500 on acoustic more than I expected. It came in the mail this week and was my first time using one in about 5 years. It was good to have it back. Kind of like seeing an old friend. I mainly plan on having that sit on my drum buss.
The reason that I'm selling my second Phoenix SB is to upgrade my vocal chain. Thinking about selling the DW too, grabbing a Sta and Stereo Pultec.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Apr 29, 2014 16:40:05 GMT -6
unit7, where do you like attack and release on the Phoenix for vocals?
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 29, 2014 16:42:45 GMT -6
Yeah - the Anamod was really good. It's compression characteristic was very similar, although, I don't think it gave nearly the girth.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Apr 29, 2014 18:40:22 GMT -6
This is probably very cheeky of me... but... what the hell... anyone got a real Fairchild 670??? how cool would that be 8) cheers Wiz Jeff Steiger has one. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 29, 2014 18:42:57 GMT -6
I believe he has a 660...so, he's only half as cool  |
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Post by unit7 on Apr 30, 2014 0:06:26 GMT -6
unit7, where do you like attack and release on the Phoenix for vocals? Can't remember... I've been using Retro 176 mostly, but I like medium attack and medium-fast release for the stuff I'm doing mostly (organic/acoustic jazz/pop). |
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