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Post by Shadowk on Mar 11, 2024 13:00:21 GMT -6
Yeah, I'm thinking the only real way for someone in John's shoes to make it work is to not do the loopback thing, and just try the Trinnov's D/A. And then if the Trinnov's D/A isn't sounding how one likes, get a different D/A with an AES input. I would hope with as much as the Trinnov costs that its A/D/A would sound pretty damn good... I don't think the Trinnov's DA is anything to write home about. And yeah, I could keep the Burl and probably deal with most everything - although not being able to listen hear anything OTHER the Pro Tools out of the SPDIF OUTS is also pretty much a deal breaker. I want to be able to hear my finished mixes (and everything else) corrected by the Trinnov. Also - I was wanting to sell the Apollo - I guess I could just rely on my native UAD plugins and park the rest until I got a satellite...but what a major pain in the ass I'm causing myself...I really just wanted HWDC. Sure, it works right now in this version, but I'm not so sure about the next. This is more trouble than not having HWDC. There is one other option, sell the Burl & Apollo and get a MOTU Ultralite MK5 (that's the $700 interface I was talking about). Then you can pass the ADAT signal to the Trinnov then to the MOTU and use that as the DAC to your speakers. I love MOTU DA already and the newer one's with 125dB dynamic range in the spec's department at least can't be argued with..
I'm going to get one, my E-drum kit is in another room and the MOTU supports midi so I can unhook it from the monitors and use that for drums as well. Latency is low and I'll absorb it into the rig for drums / VSTI's etc. then use the Carbon for the goodies it supplies..
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 11, 2024 13:33:27 GMT -6
I REALLY hate giving up on anything...but this is just paying an extra $2800 for more limitations. And hey - if HWDC now works in Pro Tools Studio with other Interfaces? I'm changing to this for what again? I should probably just keep the Apollo as the hub and maybe look at different ADDA's if I want. While the Burl sounds is awesome on the bottom end...I DO think it's also a little hyped on the top end too. And it bothers me. Sounds like I want a Symphony lol. You had one !  |
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 11, 2024 13:34:33 GMT -6
The motu da is same as Symphony : Sabre, no ?
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Post by Shadowk on Mar 11, 2024 13:36:52 GMT -6
The motu da is same as Symphony : Sabre, no ? Yep, it's an ESS sabre 32. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 11, 2024 13:40:07 GMT -6
I REALLY hate giving up on anything...but this is just paying an extra $2800 for more limitations. And hey - if HWDC now works in Pro Tools Studio with other Interfaces? I'm changing to this for what again? I should probably just keep the Apollo as the hub and maybe look at different ADDA's if I want. While the Burl sounds is awesome on the bottom end...I DO think it's also a little hyped on the top end too. And it bothers me. Sounds like I want a Symphony lol. You had one ! A MkI a decade ago… Just from memory, the Symphony and Motu 16A sounded different to me. But I haven’t heard the mkII. I actually think I’m more inclined to like the little softer approach of the Symphony. |
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Post by gwlee7 on Mar 11, 2024 13:41:19 GMT -6
 Me trying to keep up with this . |
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 11, 2024 17:42:27 GMT -6
You had one ! A MkI a decade ago… Just from memory, the Symphony and Motu 16A sounded different to me. But I haven’t heard the mkII. I actually think I’m more inclined to like the little softer approach of the Symphony. No, you bought my mkii but then sold it:) |
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Post by enlav on Mar 11, 2024 17:44:15 GMT -6
A MkI a decade ago… Just from memory, the Symphony and Motu 16A sounded different to me. But I haven’t heard the mkII. I actually think I’m more inclined to like the little softer approach of the Symphony. No, you bought my mkii but then sold it:) I'm sure you've answered this before, kcat, but how would you compare the Aurora(n) to the Symphony mkII? |
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Post by Shadowk on Mar 11, 2024 17:44:25 GMT -6
A MkI a decade ago… Just from memory, the Symphony and Motu 16A sounded different to me. But I haven’t heard the mkII. I actually think I’m more inclined to like the little softer approach of the Symphony. No, you bought my mkii but then sold it:) Jeez he sounds like me.. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 11, 2024 18:06:35 GMT -6
Crickets!
I liked both the symphony mkii and the Aurora N.
I think the Symphony mkii has a little more rolled off top and I think the Aurora a littke more open.
I had a x6 apollo in between though.
I would happily record with either the symphony mkii or the Aurora n. I found the Symphony gui a little more stable. I somewhat regular reset my Aurora gui to default .
The Aurora sd card is automatically included, but doubt I will ever use it, so imbedded in the price but not really a valued feature.
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Post by Shadowk on Mar 11, 2024 18:11:12 GMT -6
Crickets! I liked both the symphony mkii and the Aurora N. I think the Symphony mkii has a little more rolled off top and I think the Aurora a littke more open. I had a x6 apollo in between though. I would happily record with either the symphony mkii or the Aurora n. I found the Symphony gui a little more stable. I somewhat regular reset my Aurora gui to default . The Aurora sd card is automatically included, but doubt I will ever use it, so imbedded in the price but not really a valued feature. Nice bypass with the Apollo.. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 11, 2024 18:16:28 GMT -6
Someone here sent me a blind test: apollo x vs Aurora N, game over in 2 seconds .
Sold X immediately, got Aurora N.
I have had all 3 apollo and the black lion mod on my SF.
I prefer symphony mkii and the Aurora N.
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Post by wiz on Mar 11, 2024 18:32:25 GMT -6
Its funny, I use the Apollo x8.
I read these threads...look at the Apollo .......and think of the past convertors I have had......wonder for a while.....then shrug and say to myself....close your wallet and just keep mixing... LOL
cheers
Wiz
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Post by Shadowk on Mar 11, 2024 18:38:00 GMT -6
Its funny, I use the Apollo x8. I read these threads...look at the Apollo .......and think of the past convertors I have had......wonder for a while.....then shrug and say to myself....close your wallet and just keep mixing... LOL cheers Wiz When you compare it to the field engineering rooms where the soffit's are pointing at the back of a console conversion really does sorta take a back seat. |
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Post by gwlee7 on Mar 11, 2024 18:39:49 GMT -6
I start thinking about switching things up every time one these threads start. Then I remember that I don’t have to upgrade because the guy who mixes my stuff is the guy who is doing the upgrading.
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Post by Shadowk on Mar 11, 2024 18:44:36 GMT -6
Oh this is getting dangerous, nearly done people.. Here's lights and everything. Shadow's studio is back in action..
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 11, 2024 18:51:08 GMT -6
A MkI a decade ago… Just from memory, the Symphony and Motu 16A sounded different to me. But I haven’t heard the mkII. I actually think I’m more inclined to like the little softer approach of the Symphony. No, you bought my mkii but then sold it:) God I don’t even remember |
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Post by Quint on Mar 11, 2024 19:46:42 GMT -6
Its funny, I use the Apollo x8. I read these threads...look at the Apollo .......and think of the past convertors I have had......wonder for a while.....then shrug and say to myself....close your wallet and just keep mixing... LOL cheers Wiz Yeah, these days, workflow is what matters to me most. Other than a two channel converter/interface for overdubbing and mixdown, like my 2192 or a Burl, I don't even care all that much about trying to do a shootout between interfaces for the purposes of comparing sound quality. Most converters are pretty good these days, and I'm more interested in something that is rocksolid and has the features I need to do what I need to do. And, not for nothing, but I do like the sound of my pair of x16s. I often see people talking about how they don't like the sound of the Apollo (not necessarily anyone in this thread) and I'm like, which one? The X series sounds better than the silver face from over 10 years ago, so if you've only ever used the silver or black models, well... Apollos unfortunately seem to get discussed in a monolithic manner, as if they all sound the same, regardless of generation. |
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Post by wiz on Mar 11, 2024 20:13:43 GMT -6
Its funny, I use the Apollo x8. I read these threads...look at the Apollo .......and think of the past convertors I have had......wonder for a while.....then shrug and say to myself....close your wallet and just keep mixing... LOL cheers Wiz this wasn't meant as a passive aggressive dig ..... not that anyone inferred it was...thinking more along the lines of posting in a thread that I have no dog in the fight in... Just that.. its really easy for me to get swayed (I bet a lot of us are) in reading these threads where people whose work I admire are saying things about the Apollo conversion..... I find my self starting to search on the net and must stop myself...in my life now.. conversion is the last thing I need to spend money on... Just yesterday I was reading the world wide waste of time...and found myself after reading a few threads.. looking for the best price of a guitar pedal..... and nearly bought it... till I looked up on the shelf....AND I ALREADY OWN IT!!!!!! LOL Johnkenn aint the only one... who forgets what he has had... cheers Wiz |
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Post by ragan on Mar 11, 2024 20:18:01 GMT -6
Its funny, I use the Apollo x8. I read these threads...look at the Apollo .......and think of the past convertors I have had......wonder for a while.....then shrug and say to myself....close your wallet and just keep mixing... LOL cheers Wiz this wasn't meant as a passive aggressive dig ..... not that anyone inferred it was...thinking more along the lines of posting in a thread that I have no dog in the fight in... Just that.. its really easy for me to get swayed (I bet a lot of us are) in reading these threads where people whose work I admire are saying things about the Apollo conversion..... I find my self starting to search on the net and must stop myself...in my life now.. conversion is the last thing I need to spend money on... Just yesterday I was reading the world wide waste of time...and found myself after reading a few threads.. looking for the best price of a guitar pedal..... and nearly bought it... till I looked up on the shelf....AND I ALREADY OWN IT!!!!!! LOL Johnkenn aint the only one... who forgets what he has had... cheers Wiz Hey Wiz. Random piece of input here. I switched from BF Apollo to Symphony MKII and sometimes when I listen to tracks I did on the Apollo I think “damn, this sounds good…should I switch back to Apollo???” We’re all a little loony for getting lost in all this hair splitting. I think you’re 100% correct to just keep using the excellent tools you have. |
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Post by Shadowk on Mar 11, 2024 20:22:40 GMT -6
this wasn't meant as a passive aggressive dig ..... not that anyone inferred it was...thinking more along the lines of posting in a thread that I have no dog in the fight in... Just that.. its really easy for me to get swayed (I bet a lot of us are) in reading these threads where people whose work I admire are saying things about the Apollo conversion..... I find my self starting to search on the net and must stop myself...in my life now.. conversion is the last thing I need to spend money on... Just yesterday I was reading the world wide waste of time...and found myself after reading a few threads.. looking for the best price of a guitar pedal..... and nearly bought it... till I looked up on the shelf....AND I ALREADY OWN IT!!!!!! LOL Johnkenn aint the only one... who forgets what he has had... cheers Wiz You don't go Carbon for it's conversion prowess, it's good but nothing earth shaking. Carbon is for HDX rejects like me that wants a middle ground.. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 11, 2024 20:32:04 GMT -6
Its funny, I use the Apollo x8. I read these threads...look at the Apollo .......and think of the past convertors I have had......wonder for a while.....then shrug and say to myself....close your wallet and just keep mixing... LOL cheers Wiz this wasn't meant as a passive aggressive dig ..... not that anyone inferred it was...thinking more along the lines of posting in a thread that I have no dog in the fight in... Just that.. its really easy for me to get swayed (I bet a lot of us are) in reading these threads where people whose work I admire are saying things about the Apollo conversion..... I find my self starting to search on the net and must stop myself...in my life now.. conversion is the last thing I need to spend money on... Just yesterday I was reading the world wide waste of time...and found myself after reading a few threads.. looking for the best price of a guitar pedal..... and nearly bought it... till I looked up on the shelf....AND I ALREADY OWN IT!!!!!!LOL Johnkenn aint the only one... who forgets what he has had... cheers Wiz Dood. At least my thing I forgot I had and started a thread on asking what people thought about it and then realized I owned it…was a plug-in. So obviously totally different 😵 |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 11, 2024 20:53:45 GMT -6
this wasn't meant as a passive aggressive dig ..... not that anyone inferred it was...thinking more along the lines of posting in a thread that I have no dog in the fight in... Just that.. its really easy for me to get swayed (I bet a lot of us are) in reading these threads where people whose work I admire are saying things about the Apollo conversion..... I find my self starting to search on the net and must stop myself...in my life now.. conversion is the last thing I need to spend money on... Just yesterday I was reading the world wide waste of time...and found myself after reading a few threads.. looking for the best price of a guitar pedal..... and nearly bought it... till I looked up on the shelf....AND I ALREADY OWN IT!!!!!! LOL Johnkenn aint the only one... who forgets what he has had... cheers Wiz Hey Wiz. Random piece of input here. I switched from BF Apollo to Symphony MKII and sometimes when I listen to tracks I did on the Apollo I think “damn, this sounds good…should I switch back to Apollo???” We’re all a little loony for getting lost in all this hair splitting. I think you’re 100% correct to just keep using the excellent tools you have. Yeah. This was a classic case of John Gas. I get all hot and bothered and being terribly impulsive, I buy shit. But for the last long while, I’ve been noticing things can sound a little “smacky” with the Burl DA. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with it AT ALL. I’m getting awesome results (so obviously need to change things up)…but I feel like it’s kind of hi-fi sounding. Like the bottom gets bigger and the top gets toppier comparatively. So I’d been thinking about trying another dac. Then when I figured out that PT hwdc was working in Studio (at least for the moment) I thought “I should just buy hdx and be done with this crap…” Well, I tried…just didn’t work like I needed it to. I did honestly like the Carbon DA - wish I’d gotten to hear it through the Trinnov…but could never get it working. Unfortunately, the lack of more than one format of digital outs and not being able to use the Trinnov outside of Pro Tools just doesn’t work for me. But yes, wiz - I know that feeling well. I do this enough I should probably be smart enough to do it anymore. But it’s like the really hot girl that’s crazy as hell…maaaan she’s hot…and last time wasn’t THAT bad, right? You forget the bad and think about how great it’s gonna be…but 90% of the time…it just causes more pain and suffering and you end up back at square one. Well, here I am. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 11, 2024 20:56:15 GMT -6
I have no doubt I’ll completely forget the smacky thing and probably end up with another Burl in a year lol
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Post by Shadowk on Mar 11, 2024 21:11:45 GMT -6
Yeah. This was a classic case of John Gas. I get all hot and bothered and being terribly impulsive, I buy shit. But for the last long while, I’ve been noticing things can sound a little “smacky” with the Burl DA. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with it AT ALL. I’m getting awesome results (so obviously need to change things up)…but I feel like it’s kind of hi-fi sounding. Like the bottom gets bigger and the top gets toppier comparatively. So I’d been thinking about trying another dac. Then when I figured out that PT hwdc was working in Studio (at least for the moment) I thought “I should just buy hdx and be done with this crap…” Well, I tried…just didn’t work like I needed it to. I did honestly like the Carbon DA - wish I’d gotten to hear it through the Trinnov…but could never get it working. Unfortunately, the lack of more than one format of digital outs and not being able to use the Trinnov outside of Pro Tools just doesn’t work for me. But yes, wiz - I know that feeling well. I do this enough I should probably be smart enough to do it anymore. But it’s like the really hot girl that’s crazy as hell…maaaan she’s hot…and last time wasn’t THAT bad, right? You forget the bad and think about how great it’s gonna be…but 90% of the time…it just causes more pain and suffering and you end up back at square one. Well, here I am. You'd get it working fine if you're fine with an additional AD / DA step via analog or if you use the Trinnov as an an output (inline) only converter ADAT to S/pdif. Many ways to skin that cat, it's not like one can't get it working with it. You certainly don't need to fold it back via ADAT, here's the thing an extra AD step is nothing to be scared of.. My Core 59's do it and in terms of detail or clarity they're too much. It's actually a bit fecking annoying hence my other thread..
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