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Post by the other mark williams on Mar 9, 2024 18:16:33 GMT -6
I guess I'm just stuck until tomorrow when the cable gets here. Which drives me batshit. And even if I get it going into the Trinnov via analog, I'm not sure I want that. Trying to avoid the Trinnov ADDA. I'm just talking to myself...but I bought this to make things EASIER. It looks like it's going to make things harder for me. Well, it’s certainly making things quite DIFFERENT than your previous setup. If you can get past these initial hurdles, you’ll have a chance to make a fair comparison. Sounds like even when your snake gets there (how does nowhere in Nashville have one?!?!) you still would need an adapter to go from Carbon to Trinnov analog. Do you have any TRS to XLR-M cables lying around? |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 9, 2024 18:16:51 GMT -6
Are you trying to change a DB25 from female to male or do you mean a male DB25 to XLR snake? I just meant I need a DB25 to Male TRS. It could be XLRM, but all of my cables I've used for the Apollo were TRS to TRS (1/4) 1/4 from the Apollo to the 1/4 patchbay. So I just thought I'd buy a db25 to TRS so I could connect directly to the patchbay. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 9, 2024 18:20:28 GMT -6
I guess I'm just stuck until tomorrow when the cable gets here. Which drives me batshit. And even if I get it going into the Trinnov via analog, I'm not sure I want that. Trying to avoid the Trinnov ADDA. I'm just talking to myself...but I bought this to make things EASIER. It looks like it's going to make things harder for me. Well, it’s certainly making things quite DIFFERENT than your previous setup. If you can get past these initial hurdles, you’ll have a chance to make a fair comparison. Sounds like even when your snake gets there (how does nowhere in Nashville have one?!?!) you still would need an adapter to go from Carbon to Trinnov analog. Do you have any TRS to XLR-M cables lying around? The outputs on the Carbon are db25...I ordered a db25 to TRS cable specifically because I could then just connect my outs directly to the patchbay...but of course, the Trinnov is XLR in and out...so I would need a trs to XLR adapter to hook it up to the trinnov. |
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Post by the other mark williams on Mar 9, 2024 18:20:48 GMT -6
@blackdog subspace ShadowkMaybe this is the way it's supposed to be, but look at my output routing...it's all labeled ADAT... Also - I thought it might be as simple as dragging adat 1-2 over under Mon 1-2...but I guess it doesn't work that way. I'm still wondering: how do you mirror MON 1-2 to spdif?  OK, at least on that page, it looks like it still thinks your ADAT 1 is 8 channels of ADAT rather than two channels of S/PDIF. If I’m understanding it correctly. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 9, 2024 18:22:08 GMT -6
This from the manual answers one question - even if you've changed the settings in the Hardware menu from ADAT to SPDIF, it still reads ADAT in PT I/O. You'd think that wouldn't be a difficult fix for the Avid team.
"The default ADAT 1 and 2 channel names in I/O Setup do not change when the S/PDIF is selected. For example, select ADAT 1–2 In/Out on Pro Tools tracks for routing Optical S/PDIF audio. However, channel names can be edited in I/O Setup to display “Optical S/PDIF 1–2” when the S/PDIF format is selected, if desired."
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 9, 2024 18:24:05 GMT -6
@blackdog subspace ShadowkMaybe this is the way it's supposed to be, but look at my output routing...it's all labeled ADAT... Also - I thought it might be as simple as dragging adat 1-2 over under Mon 1-2...but I guess it doesn't work that way. I'm still wondering: how do you mirror MON 1-2 to spdif? OK, at least on that page, it looks like it still thinks your ADAT 1 is 8 channels of ADAT rather than two channels of S/PDIF. If I’m understanding it correctly. That's what I would think too...am I reading this correctly?  |
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Post by the other mark williams on Mar 9, 2024 18:24:35 GMT -6
This from the manual answers one question - even if you've changed the settings in the Hardware menu from ADAT to SPDIF, it still reads ADAT in PT I/O. You'd think that wouldn't be a difficult fix for the Avid team. "The default ADAT 1 and 2 channel names in I/O Setup do not change when the S/PDIF is selected. For example, select ADAT 1–2 In/Out on Pro Tools tracks for routing Optical S/PDIF audio. However, channel names can be edited in I/O Setup to display “Optical S/PDIF 1–2” when the S/PDIF format is selected, if desired." Does it say whether or not you need to uncheck 3-4, 5-6, and 7-8? |
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Post by the other mark williams on Mar 9, 2024 18:31:19 GMT -6
OK, at least on that page, it looks like it still thinks your ADAT 1 is 8 channels of ADAT rather than two channels of S/PDIF. If I’m understanding it correctly. That's what I would think too...am I reading this correctly? OK, yeah I’m reading that the same way you are. I would still maybe uncheck the other ports for ADAT 1 just to see what happens. And then if you drag a song into pro tools and set the master out as ADAT 1/2, do you get any signal going to the Trinnov? |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 9, 2024 18:35:46 GMT -6
Well, this is a deal breaker unfortunately. Plus, it's not even working. It says "This Pro Tools | Carbon routing configuration only works with Pro Tools software. It is not supported with other CoreAudio applications using Pro Tools | Carbon." If I ever actually figured out how to get the SPDIF OPT to AES to work, the way I read this is I wouldn't be able to route it to the trinnov in any other daw using this interface.  |
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Post by the other mark williams on Mar 9, 2024 18:40:59 GMT -6
Well, this is a deal breaker unfortunately. Plus, it's not even working. It says "This Pro Tools | Carbon routing configuration only works with Pro Tools software. It is not supported with other CoreAudio applications using Pro Tools | Carbon." If I ever actually figured out how to get the SPDIF OPT to AES to work, the way I read this is I wouldn't be able to route it to the trinnov in any other daw using this interface. wtf - seriously, Avid? And I hate optical if I haven’t said that lately. |
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Post by the other mark williams on Mar 9, 2024 18:42:57 GMT -6
And still wish you had two TRS to XLR-M cables to go analog to Trinnov just to see how it all sounds.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 9, 2024 18:43:25 GMT -6
Also - if I'm reading that correctly, I wouldn't be able to listen to itunes or any music outside of Pro Tools through the Trinnov.
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Post by ragan on Mar 9, 2024 18:46:51 GMT -6
Also - if I'm reading that correctly, I wouldn't be able to listen to itunes or any music outside of Pro Tools through the Trinnov. If that’s true, that’s a bad design choice. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 9, 2024 18:47:59 GMT -6
And still wish you had two TRS to XLR-M cables to go analog to Trinnov just to see how it all sounds. I do have those cables...but there are no single outputs on the back of the carbon...I need an analog snake just to be able to use any of the outs (well, the monitor 1-2 is 1/4)...I ordered a Db25 to TRS snake (to be able to go directly from the snake to a patchbay) that will get here tomorrow...but I'll also have to go buy some 1/4 to XLR male adapters just to be able to connect analog to the Trinnov. This is getting ridiculous. It's kind of becoming diminishing returns...like when do you cut bait? I was in the middle of having to commit to buying (so I didn't lose it to someone else) when I found out Pro Tools Studio compensates for hardware latency on my apollo now...which was honestly kind of why I was buying. But not being able to work well with my Trinnov is definitely a deal breaker. BTW - I tried unchecking everything except ADAT 1-2 in IO setup...and nothing. Again, might be something wrong with this AES to Optical adapter, but so now I get the pleasure of buying another one of these or - hell - what ARE the options. There are some old esoteric units that were expensive as hell that would convert different digital signals...seems like it was an RME piece? |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 9, 2024 18:49:52 GMT -6
Also - if I'm reading that correctly, I wouldn't be able to listen to itunes or any music outside of Pro Tools through the Trinnov. If that’s true, that’s a bad design choice. Yeah - why the hell would they put a limitation on it like that? Very Avid. Obviously, you can listen through the analog outs of the Carbon, but it won't send spdif optical out unless you're in PT. Thats insane. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 9, 2024 18:58:06 GMT -6
Anybody want to buy a Carbon for a damn good price?
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 9, 2024 19:06:07 GMT -6
Holy shit...I see the meters moving in the Trinnov...now I gotta figure out how to actually hear it...
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Post by notneeson on Mar 9, 2024 19:06:29 GMT -6
If that’s true, that’s a bad design choice. Yeah - why the hell would they put a limitation on it like that? Very Avid. Obviously, you can listen through the analog outs of the Carbon, but it won't send spdif optical out unless you're in PT. Thats insane. Can you get around that with Pro Tools Bridges? I’ve never messed with some of these newer features. |
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Post by the other mark williams on Mar 9, 2024 19:08:14 GMT -6
And still wish you had two TRS to XLR-M cables to go analog to Trinnov just to see how it all sounds. I do have those cables...but there are no single outputs on the back of the carbon...I need an analog snake just to be able to use any of the outs (well, the monitor 1-2 is 1/4)...I ordered a Db25 to TRS snake (to be able to go directly from the snake to a patchbay) that will get here tomorrow...but I'll also have to go buy some 1/4 to XLR male adapters just to be able to connect analog to the Trinnov. This is getting ridiculous. That's what I mean, though: use those two "Monitor Out" TRS jacks to go to to the XLR ins on your Trinnov via your TRS to XLR-M cables. Just to see... |
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Post by the other mark williams on Mar 9, 2024 19:10:51 GMT -6
If that’s true, that’s a bad design choice. Yeah - why the hell would they put a limitation on it like that? Very Avid. Obviously, you can listen through the analog outs of the Carbon, but it won't send spdif optical out unless you're in PT. Thats insane. Two thoughts: 1. I wonder if it works, but it's just not "supported"? Knowwhatimean? 2. This is *exactly* the kind of bullshit that made me leave Digidesign 20+ yrs ago: they were unwilling to play nice with everybody else. If that still hasn't changed, I'm not going to switch back. |
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Post by the other mark williams on Mar 9, 2024 19:13:45 GMT -6
Holy shit...I see the meters moving in the Trinnov...now I gotta figure out how to actually hear it... Quick...sacrifice a cat or something... |
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Post by Quint on Mar 9, 2024 19:28:51 GMT -6
Yeah - why the hell would they put a limitation on it like that? Very Avid. Obviously, you can listen through the analog outs of the Carbon, but it won't send spdif optical out unless you're in PT. Thats insane. Two thoughts: 1. I wonder if it works, but it's just not "supported"? Knowwhatimean? 2. This is *exactly* the kind of bullshit that made me leave Digidesign 20+ yrs ago: they were unwilling to play nice with everybody else. If that still hasn't changed, I'm not going to switch back. I feel like trying to do things in an "unsupported" manner in Pro Tools is way riskier than doing "unsupported" things in other DAWs. PT is the king of walled gardens, which has its pros and cons, but I wouldn't be interested in NEEDING to depend on anything with PT that is unsupported. Seems like it would be a recipe for disappointment. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 9, 2024 19:39:05 GMT -6
Well...still can't monitor my Trinnov through ADAT 1-2...I'm forcing the shit out of trying to make this work. Of course, I guess I could sell my Trinnov ST-2 for 30% of what I bought it for and then buy a new Nova (it has optical lol) and mic for yet another $4k. Yeah...screw that.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 9, 2024 19:39:54 GMT -6
Yeah - why the hell would they put a limitation on it like that? Very Avid. Obviously, you can listen through the analog outs of the Carbon, but it won't send spdif optical out unless you're in PT. Thats insane. Can you get around that with Pro Tools Bridges? I’ve never messed with some of these newer features. I have absolutely no idea what that is...I see them in the Audio/Midi settings...but this is just kind of a nightmare. |
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Post by the other mark williams on Mar 9, 2024 19:43:28 GMT -6
"Thank you very much Mr. Avid, may I have another!"
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