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Post by Vincent R. on Sept 18, 2021 4:55:44 GMT -6
Ooh, the Summit TLA-100 and master channel strip are dsp compatible. That is literally one of my favorite compressor plugins. I know how I‘ll be tracking vocals.
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Post by subspace on Sept 18, 2021 7:43:10 GMT -6
Just bought my first Softube plug-in to run on Carbon, Grand Channel/EQF-100/TLA-100A. Haven't tried it on a live mic yet, but I love monitoring PA's Purple MC77 after the Carbon pre, figured I'd try an opto. I ended up using the heck out of TLA-100A on the West Side Story cast recording that month, good investment. It's a slippery slope though, since it's part of Volume 5 it qualified for a $300 upgrade sale price to the full collection. So I've got that now, and the Tube-Tech Complete Collection cause, you know, CL-1B, and the Dyna-mite, cause, you know, Valley People... |
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Post by Vincent R. on Sept 18, 2021 19:13:42 GMT -6
Just bought my first Softube plug-in to run on Carbon, Grand Channel/EQF-100/TLA-100A. Haven't tried it on a live mic yet, but I love monitoring PA's Purple MC77 after the Carbon pre, figured I'd try an opto. I ended up using the heck out of TLA-100A on the West Side Story cast recording that month, good investment. It's a slippery slope though, since it's part of Volume 5 it qualified for a $300 upgrade sale price to the full collection. So I've got that now, and the Tube-Tech Complete Collection cause, you know, CL-1B, and the Dyna-mite, cause, you know, Valley People… That plug-in has given me a real desire for the hardware unit. |
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Post by guitfiddler on Sept 18, 2021 21:29:20 GMT -6
Can you use UAD plugins with a TB satellite with Carbon? It should work because you're using TB as opposed to the Cat6 Ethernet port. I'm still on a 2012 Mac Mini and I have the ethernet port, but I'm not sure if Carbon/Hybrid Protools will work on my 2012 Mac with Mojave 10.14.6
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Post by Vincent R. on Sept 19, 2021 3:24:16 GMT -6
Can you use UAD plugins with a TB satellite with Carbon? It should work because you're using TB as opposed to the Cat6 Ethernet port. I'm still on a 2012 Mac Mini and I have the ethernet port, but I'm not sure if Carbon/Hybrid Protools will work on my 2012 Mac with Mojave 10.14.6 Yeah, you can use them for mixing. Just not for tracking or on a track you are using Carbon’s DSP on. It will create latency if you try to track with a UAD plug-in enabled and if you enable Carbon’s DSP it bypasses any non Avid DSP plugins on the channel. |
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Post by subspace on Sept 19, 2021 9:06:18 GMT -6
Can you use UAD plugins with a TB satellite with Carbon? It should work because you're using TB as opposed to the Cat6 Ethernet port. I'm still on a 2012 Mac Mini and I have the ethernet port, but I'm not sure if Carbon/Hybrid Protools will work on my 2012 Mac with Mojave 10.14.6 Definitely not on Mojave, 1st compatible OS was Catalina 10.15.7 which I'm still running, and PT version 2020.11. |
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Post by notneeson on Sept 19, 2021 14:16:22 GMT -6
Probably obvious to all: but when you’re committed to Pro Tools you have to take all your upgrade cues from Avid and ignore Apple's upgrade cycle until you’re really 100% sure it’s the right time.
I have a client who leapt blindly into an OS upgrade and is stuck (his words) with Logic for now. Would definitely suck to have that happen with an investment on the order of Carbon.
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Post by ericn on Sept 19, 2021 17:23:44 GMT -6
Probably obvious to all: but when you’re committed to Pro Tools you have to take all your upgrade cues from Avid and ignore Apple's upgrade cycle until you’re really 100% sure it’s the right time. I have a client who leapt blindly into an OS upgrade and is stuck (his words) with Logic for now. Would definitely suck to have that happen with an investment on the order of Carbon. Any dive into AVID should require the reading of the compatibility docs. It’s the one thing AVID is pretty good at. If DSP is involved dive even deeper. |
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Post by guitfiddler on Sept 19, 2021 19:57:13 GMT -6
I've been with Protools since the beginning of Digidesign and I know most of the hurdles, but this Carbon box has me very intrigued and I am making sure with all the changes since leaving Protools after 11, that I have most of the data, because Avid doesn't have the customer service they used to have, and I'm not getting the info I need from most dealers, in fact, I'm not naming any names, but there were some dealers that had to look this up because they didn't even know what I was talking about? That's a shame!!!! I'm having to reach out to you guys that have the Carbon. Thanks for the info, I really appreciate it!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2021 21:27:10 GMT -6
I can see that compared to my RME Fireface 802 I’d be losing 4 mic/line inputs and the digital AES that I use to run my Bricasti. That means rethinking my setup a bit. It might be doable. It’s not a problem for tracking, only for hybrid mixing. I’m using two external 8/8 units via ADAT. In comparison, I get two extra line outputs and two extra headphone outputs. And the talkback mic, which I like! Really great for tracking bands, for sure. I’ve also read something about PT Native having a limit of 32 outputs while the unit has 34. That is probably going to suck big time, since I’d be using all 34 outputs. Comments on this? EDIT: I see my 2014 MacBook Pro is not qualified. I will wait until they put out a new model I guess... I wonder if Carbon would be considered an "HD|Native" product to the installed Pro Tools, and therefore give you the 64 channels of I/O in theory. But it also seems like a closed ecosystem in terms of expanding I/O... I don't know how it would play with, say, an HD|Native PCIe card at the same time. You'd have might have Playback Engine problems, trying to address both. Or would you? I think it would be the PT interface to beat if they would let you add more Carbons. |
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Post by ericn on Sept 22, 2021 5:53:40 GMT -6
I can see that compared to my RME Fireface 802 I’d be losing 4 mic/line inputs and the digital AES that I use to run my Bricasti. That means rethinking my setup a bit. It might be doable. It’s not a problem for tracking, only for hybrid mixing. I’m using two external 8/8 units via ADAT. In comparison, I get two extra line outputs and two extra headphone outputs. And the talkback mic, which I like! Really great for tracking bands, for sure. I’ve also read something about PT Native having a limit of 32 outputs while the unit has 34. That is probably going to suck big time, since I’d be using all 34 outputs. Comments on this? EDIT: I see my 2014 MacBook Pro is not qualified. I will wait until they put out a new model I guess... I wonder if Carbon would be considered an "HD|Native" product to the installed Pro Tools, and therefore give you the 64 channels of I/O in theory. But it also seems like a closed ecosystem in terms of expanding I/O... I don't know how it would play with, say, an HD|Native PCIe card at the same time. You'd have might have Playback Engine problems, trying to address both. Or would you? I think it would be the PT interface to beat if they would let you add more Carbons. It’s a closed system, your not going to be able to expand HDnative card. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2021 9:41:07 GMT -6
I wonder if Carbon would be considered an "HD|Native" product to the installed Pro Tools, and therefore give you the 64 channels of I/O in theory. But it also seems like a closed ecosystem in terms of expanding I/O... I don't know how it would play with, say, an HD|Native PCIe card at the same time. You'd have might have Playback Engine problems, trying to address both. Or would you? I think it would be the PT interface to beat if they would let you add more Carbons. It’s a closed system, your not going to be able to expand HDnative card. I’m sure they have to protect their HDX sales, especially now that the hybrid engine solves an age old problem. I still think if you don’t need more than 8ch I/O, Carbon is the complete package. |
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Post by subspace on Oct 28, 2021 21:55:02 GMT -6
PT 2021.10 release includes remote control of Carbon's mic preamps from within PT and the PT Control remote app, SPDIF optical switching for the ADAT ports, and kinda cool for me, support for PT control from Native Instruments Komplete Kontrol keyboards/software combo.
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Post by subspace on Mar 9, 2024 9:01:15 GMT -6
I went back to this thread to find my original latency measurement of Carbon's native round-trip, everybody stayed pretty consistent in their opinions!
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 9, 2024 17:09:23 GMT -6
This is a bummer. Not sure it's going to work for me because I can't seem to get it working digitally to the trinnov and then digitally back in. The lack of an actual spdif or AES connection is just baffling to me.
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Post by notneeson on Mar 9, 2024 17:12:54 GMT -6
This is a bummer. Not sure it's going to work for me because I can't seem to get it working digitally to the trinnov and then digitally back in. The lack of an actual spdif or AES connection is just baffling to me. You’re using optical ports? |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 9, 2024 17:26:46 GMT -6
With Apollo, the spdif connection can mirror the main output. Here's what I HAVE been doing with the Apollo and Burl. I go spdif out of the Apollo to the AES in of the Trinnov. Then the trinnov does its shit and I go AES out to the Burl and then monitor with the Burl. I'm using a Hosa Optical to AES adapter. It goes spdif optical from the Carbon to the adapter, then to the adapter aes to the trinnov. To return, it goes AES out of trinnov into adapter then spdif optical to the spdif optical of the Carbon. But A) the trinnov isn't getting any signal (nothing on the software meters)...that's my first and biggest problem. Who knows if this adapter even works...I probably bought it 20 years ago and it's been in the plastic until now. And if I can't get this to work with the trinnov, I can't use the Carbon. In fact, I'm getting really close to just giving up.
Now that I think about it, I don't know if I've ever tried going digital out of the Apollo into the Trinnov and then back into the Apollo...I'd assume I would be getting the same thing happening - just like the Carbon, I'd be hearing what was being fed to the Trinnov, not what the Trinnov was sending back.
So - I need to figure out how to monitor what's coming back from the Trinnov - how do I monitor that digital feed? I've tried to go into Pro Tools I/O and move the ADAT 1-2 L&R over under "monitor" but it won't let you assign two outputs to well, one output. I know I'm probably not explaining this well. Here are a couple screen shots that might help diagnose.
Maybe this should be the first question: how to I mirror the spdif outputs from the monitor outputs? So that way it's sending what's coming out of the Apollo into the trinnov.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 9, 2024 17:27:16 GMT -6
This is a bummer. Not sure it's going to work for me because I can't seem to get it working digitally to the trinnov and then digitally back in. The lack of an actual spdif or AES connection is just baffling to me. You’re using optical ports? It's the ONLY digital IO on the Carbon. Which might just be a dealbreaker for me. Or are you asking if I'm sure Carbon is using SPDIF? I have no freaking idea...The digital I/O says "SPDIF" in the Hardware menu in PT. I guess it just automatically recognizes when you plug in a cable  |
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Post by notneeson on Mar 9, 2024 17:31:29 GMT -6
You’re using optical ports? It's the ONLY digital IO on the Carbon. Which might just be a dealbreaker for me. Looks like you might need to set it to SPDIF (rather than ADAT) in teh optical I/O page. Sorry if that’s obvious, I haven’t messed with optical ports in a minute. |
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Post by the other mark williams on Mar 9, 2024 17:34:49 GMT -6
With Apollo, the spdif connection can mirror the main output. Here's what I HAVE been doing with the Apollo and Burl. I go spdif out of the Apollo to the AES in of the Trinnov. Then the trinnov does its shit and I go AES out to the Burl and then monitor with the Burl. I'm using a Hosa Optical to AES adapter. It goes spdif optical from the Carbon to the adapter, then to the adapter aes to the trinnov. To return, it goes AES out of trinnov into adapter then spdif optical to the spdif optical of the Carbon. But A) the trinnov isn't getting any signal (nothing on the software meters)...that's my first and biggest problem. Who knows if this adapter even works...I probably bought it 20 years ago and it's been in the plastic until now. And if I can't get this to work with the trinnov, I can't use the Carbon. In fact, I'm getting really close to just giving up. Now that I think about it, I don't know if I've ever tried going digital out of the Apollo into the Trinnov and then back into the Apollo...I'd assume I would be getting the same thing happening - just like the Carbon, I'd be hearing what was being fed to the Trinnov, not what the Trinnov was sending back. So - I need to figure out how to monitor what's coming back from the Trinnov - how do I monitor that digital feed? I've tried to go into Pro Tools I/O and move the ADAT 1-2 L&R over under "monitor" but it won't let you assign two outputs to well, one output. I know I'm probably not explaining this well. Here are a couple screen shots that might help diagnose. Maybe this should be the first question: how to I mirror the spdif outputs from the monitor outputs? So that way it's sending what's coming out of the Apollo into the trinnov. John, first off, why don't you try going from Carbon to Trinnov and then Trinnov to Burl to monitors, just like you were doing with your Apollo?
Two ways to get that working: first (and I know this isn't your ultimately preferred way...), try going analog out of Carbon into analog in of Trinnov, then Trinnov AES out to Burl and Burl to monitor controller. Try to get that working first.
Second way would be going optical out of Carbon to your Hosa converter to Trinnov, then Trinnov to Burl and then Burl to monitor controller.
From what I remember of Digidesign Avid, my bet is you have to tell it to make the ADAT optical outs into S/PDIF optical outs instead. That's probably why your Trinnov is currently not seeing signal.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 9, 2024 17:41:45 GMT -6
With Apollo, the spdif connection can mirror the main output. Here's what I HAVE been doing with the Apollo and Burl. I go spdif out of the Apollo to the AES in of the Trinnov. Then the trinnov does its shit and I go AES out to the Burl and then monitor with the Burl. I'm using a Hosa Optical to AES adapter. It goes spdif optical from the Carbon to the adapter, then to the adapter aes to the trinnov. To return, it goes AES out of trinnov into adapter then spdif optical to the spdif optical of the Carbon. But A) the trinnov isn't getting any signal (nothing on the software meters)...that's my first and biggest problem. Who knows if this adapter even works...I probably bought it 20 years ago and it's been in the plastic until now. And if I can't get this to work with the trinnov, I can't use the Carbon. In fact, I'm getting really close to just giving up. Now that I think about it, I don't know if I've ever tried going digital out of the Apollo into the Trinnov and then back into the Apollo...I'd assume I would be getting the same thing happening - just like the Carbon, I'd be hearing what was being fed to the Trinnov, not what the Trinnov was sending back. So - I need to figure out how to monitor what's coming back from the Trinnov - how do I monitor that digital feed? I've tried to go into Pro Tools I/O and move the ADAT 1-2 L&R over under "monitor" but it won't let you assign two outputs to well, one output. I know I'm probably not explaining this well. Here are a couple screen shots that might help diagnose. Maybe this should be the first question: how to I mirror the spdif outputs from the monitor outputs? So that way it's sending what's coming out of the Apollo into the trinnov. John, first off, why don't you try going from Carbon to Trinnov and then Trinnov to Burl to monitors, just like you were doing with your Apollo? Two ways to get that working: first (and I know this isn't your ultimately preferred way...), try going analog out of Carbon into analog in of Trinnov, then Trinnov AES out to Burl and Burl to monitor controller. Try to get that working first. Second way would be going optical out of Carbon to your Hosa converter to Trinnov, then Trinnov to Burl and then Burl to monitor controller.
From what I remember of Digidesign Avid, my bet is you have to tell it to make the ADAT optical outs into S/PDIF optical outs instead. That's probably why your Trinnov is currently not seeing signal.
I would try that...but there's not a single fucking music store in Nashville with a male DB25 snake. Not a SINGLE STORE. (Sorry, I'm frustrated as hell) So, I had to order and I have no physical outputs from the Carbon. On top of that, I ordered a db25 to TRS male because most of the outputs will be going to a 1/4 patchbay. But the inputs on the Burl are XLR. So I guess I could go buy some adapters...but my plan was to replace the Burl. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 9, 2024 17:49:37 GMT -6
With Apollo, the spdif connection can mirror the main output. Here's what I HAVE been doing with the Apollo and Burl. I go spdif out of the Apollo to the AES in of the Trinnov. Then the trinnov does its shit and I go AES out to the Burl and then monitor with the Burl. I'm using a Hosa Optical to AES adapter. It goes spdif optical from the Carbon to the adapter, then to the adapter aes to the trinnov. To return, it goes AES out of trinnov into adapter then spdif optical to the spdif optical of the Carbon. But A) the trinnov isn't getting any signal (nothing on the software meters)...that's my first and biggest problem. Who knows if this adapter even works...I probably bought it 20 years ago and it's been in the plastic until now. And if I can't get this to work with the trinnov, I can't use the Carbon. In fact, I'm getting really close to just giving up. Now that I think about it, I don't know if I've ever tried going digital out of the Apollo into the Trinnov and then back into the Apollo...I'd assume I would be getting the same thing happening - just like the Carbon, I'd be hearing what was being fed to the Trinnov, not what the Trinnov was sending back. So - I need to figure out how to monitor what's coming back from the Trinnov - how do I monitor that digital feed? I've tried to go into Pro Tools I/O and move the ADAT 1-2 L&R over under "monitor" but it won't let you assign two outputs to well, one output. I know I'm probably not explaining this well. Here are a couple screen shots that might help diagnose. Maybe this should be the first question: how to I mirror the spdif outputs from the monitor outputs? So that way it's sending what's coming out of the Apollo into the trinnov. Second way would be going optical out of Carbon to your Hosa converter to Trinnov, then Trinnov to Burl and then Burl to monitor controller.
From what I remember of Digidesign Avid, my bet is you have to tell it to make the ADAT optical outs into S/PDIF optical outs instead. That's probably why your Trinnov is currently not seeing signal.
I'm not even sure the Hosa adapter even works - that could be the main problem... You might be right on changing from ADAT to SPDIF...but it's supposed to automatically detect which it is. See below. When I connect, it automatically pops up SPDIF in port one. I don't know if there's any other way to do it - that's in the Hardware menu.  I've also been using ADAT to send to my hearback system for headphones. I've gone adat from port 2 out of the carbon into the Hearback...and nothing. It's not even recognizing it in Carbon. There's just a lot of things that are giving me a LOT OF PAUSE. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 9, 2024 17:51:11 GMT -6
I guess I'm just stuck until tomorrow when the cable gets here. Which drives me batshit. And even if I get it going into the Trinnov via analog, I'm not sure I want that. Trying to avoid the Trinnov ADDA.
I'm just talking to myself...but I bought this to make things EASIER. It looks like it's going to make things harder for me.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 9, 2024 18:10:33 GMT -6
@blackdog subspace ShadowkMaybe this is the way it's supposed to be, but look at my output routing...it's all labeled ADAT... Also - I thought it might be as simple as dragging adat 1-2 over under Mon 1-2...but I guess it doesn't work that way. I'm still wondering: how do you mirror MON 1-2 to spdif?  |
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Post by sean on Mar 9, 2024 18:11:13 GMT -6
Are you trying to change a DB25 from female to male or do you mean a male DB25 to XLR snake?
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