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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 12, 2020 12:14:02 GMT -6
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Post by subspace on Nov 12, 2020 12:25:10 GMT -6
Mmmm, AVB interface. I've been sitting back on Pro Tools 12 with a MOTU 16A AVB interface, this might actually push me onto a more current Pro Tools plateau...
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Post by Blackdawg on Nov 12, 2020 12:27:24 GMT -6
Pretty sweet!
Avid is bring hdx to the masses now. That's a big deal.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Nov 12, 2020 12:44:24 GMT -6
Lets all get over to GS and enjoy some popcorn together.
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Post by Quint on Nov 12, 2020 12:44:46 GMT -6
$5k for an 8x8 interface though. Meh...
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 12, 2020 12:46:11 GMT -6
Think it’s $3999
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Post by Blackdawg on Nov 12, 2020 12:48:02 GMT -6
$5k for an 8x8 interface though. Meh... I believe it's a 16x10 technically. And then theres the ADAT stuff too But the big thing is the HDX power. Which no matter how you look at it is still the lowest latency product out there. And now you can also do DSP plugins in a hybrid work flow. Also I'm seeing it listed for 4k. So not cheap. But if you get a full HDX rig otherwise it's a lot more expensive. I wonder how expandable this will be or if there will be future products that will just be I/O units for the ethernet protocol. Future looks good. |
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Post by Quint on Nov 12, 2020 12:53:02 GMT -6
Ah, well that's a little better. I had seen the price of 4,169 in euros, so I just converted to USD, which worked out to about $5k. |
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Post by tkaitkai on Nov 12, 2020 12:55:18 GMT -6
I want one.
Also, I hope the new dark GUI is optional. I'm in the minority here, but I've always liked the classic PT GUI.
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Post by Blackdawg on Nov 12, 2020 12:57:15 GMT -6
I want one. Also, I hope the new dark GUI is optional. I'm in the minority here, but I've always liked the classic PT GUI. I would think it would be. Hopefully so. I don't mind the standard one either. But some days the Dark mode would be nice to have. |
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Post by Quint on Nov 12, 2020 12:57:24 GMT -6
$5k for an 8x8 interface though. Meh... I believe it's a 16x10 technically. And then theres the ADAT stuff too But the big thing is the HDX power. Which no matter how you look at it is still the lowest latency product out there. And now you can also do DSP plugins in a hybrid work flow. Also I'm seeing it listed for 4k. So not cheap. But if you get a full HDX rig otherwise it's a lot more expensive. I wonder how expandable this will be or if there will be future products that will just be I/O units for the ethernet protocol. Future looks good. My math is getting me just 8 analog ins, not 16. 25 ins = 16 ADAT, 8 analog in, 1 talkback. I think the Dsub is redundant to the XLRs and 1/4" instrument ins. I get the HDX thing so, if you must have that, then this is better and cheaper than what was available from Avid before for people who are in this particular market. But it'd still be $8k to get the same analog I/O as an Apollo x16. And Avid was clearly taking aim at the Apollo with Carbon. |
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Post by subspace on Nov 12, 2020 13:01:21 GMT -6
$4k for a 1RU HDX interface with 8 cores I can hang off my MBP ethernet is competitive for me, be better if a perpetual license was included and not a one year subscription.
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Post by tkaitkai on Nov 12, 2020 13:05:40 GMT -6
subspace I think the subscription shifts to a perpetual license after a year, you just lose free updates/support.
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Post by Blackdawg on Nov 12, 2020 13:08:34 GMT -6
I believe it's a 16x10 technically. And then theres the ADAT stuff too But the big thing is the HDX power. Which no matter how you look at it is still the lowest latency product out there. And now you can also do DSP plugins in a hybrid work flow. Also I'm seeing it listed for 4k. So not cheap. But if you get a full HDX rig otherwise it's a lot more expensive. I wonder how expandable this will be or if there will be future products that will just be I/O units for the ethernet protocol. Future looks good. My math is getting me just 8 analog ins, not 16. 25 = 16 ADAT, 8 analog in, 1 talkback. I think the Dsub is redundant to the XLRs and 1/4" instrument ins. I get the HDX thing so, if you must have that, then this is better and cheaper than what was available from Avid before for people who are in this particular market. But it'd still be $8k to get the same analog I/O as an Apollo x16. And Avid was clearly taking aim at the Apollo with Carbon. Ah yes if the Dsub line ins are the same as the Mic ins then yeah that would be a bummer. And definitely still not cheap. But still a very very powerful box. I don't know this, but would be interesting to look at the apollo and this to compare processing power next I suppose. And like I said, hopefully they release more units like these that are more like the x16. This unit would be more in line with the x8p i think? (not a big UA guy here if you can't tell ha) But yeah, certainly taiking aim at UA. Gonna be a good battle I think! |
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Post by Quint on Nov 12, 2020 13:13:08 GMT -6
My math is getting me just 8 analog ins, not 16. 25 = 16 ADAT, 8 analog in, 1 talkback. I think the Dsub is redundant to the XLRs and 1/4" instrument ins. I get the HDX thing so, if you must have that, then this is better and cheaper than what was available from Avid before for people who are in this particular market. But it'd still be $8k to get the same analog I/O as an Apollo x16. And Avid was clearly taking aim at the Apollo with Carbon. Ah yes if the Dsub line ins are the same as the Mic ins then yeah that would be a bummer. And definitely still not cheap. But still a very very powerful box. I don't know this, but would be interesting to look at the apollo and this to compare processing power next I suppose. And like I said, hopefully they release more units like these that are more like the x16. This unit would be more in line with the x8p i think? (not a big UA guy here if you can't tell ha) But yeah, certainly taiking aim at UA. Gonna be a good battle I think! Yeah, the x8P is probably the most apples to apples comparison. I'll say this, for those that need or want HDX, the Carbon certainly makes it more attainable than previously was the case. |
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Post by ragan on Nov 12, 2020 13:18:43 GMT -6
Interesting. I'd be somewhat enticed (down the road a bit) if it holds up sonically to the Symphony MKII that I like so much. Ditching separate monitoring apps (UA Console, Symphony Control) would be a really big plus. It's a pain a hassle, but one that's necessary without something like HDX.
Hopefully we see some options without all the mic pres.
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Post by the other mark williams on Nov 12, 2020 13:20:52 GMT -6
Interesting. I'd be somewhat enticed (down the road a bit) if it holds up sonically to the Symphony MKII that I like so much. Ditching separate monitoring apps (UA Console, Symphony Control) would be a really big plus. It's a pain a hassle, but one that's necessary without something like HDX. Hopefully we see some options without all the mic pres. Yes to all this. Though it also makes me wish for HDX integration into Logic a la the old days with TDM. |
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Post by Quint on Nov 12, 2020 13:24:02 GMT -6
Interesting. I'd be somewhat enticed (down the road a bit) if it holds up sonically to the Symphony MKII that I like so much. Ditching separate monitoring apps (UA Console, Symphony Control) would be a really big plus. It's a pain a hassle, but one that's necessary without something like HDX. Hopefully we see some options without all the mic pres. I'm wanting to go Luna for that same reason. I want it all integrated into one. |
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Post by ragan on Nov 12, 2020 13:32:02 GMT -6
Yeah me too. But I'm not really looking to get back into UAD land. This would be the same kind of thing but with Pro Tools (which I know and like a lot) and without the years of waiting for feature maturity (Luna). Still I hope Luna is wildly successful. These two competing is good for all of us (as evidenced by this Carbon release).
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Post by subspace on Nov 12, 2020 13:32:55 GMT -6
Be interesting to see if the pre-orders are shifted to 'pending AKM product delivery' or if they were designed on a different chip and they clean up in the market void.
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Post by Quint on Nov 12, 2020 13:34:41 GMT -6
Be interesting to see if the pre-orders are shifted to 'pending AKM product delivery' or if they were designed on a different chip and they clean up in the market void. I was wondering the same thing. Boy, talk about bad timing if they do in fact use AKM in the Carbon. Or really good timing if they don't... |
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Post by Quint on Nov 12, 2020 13:38:12 GMT -6
Yeah me too. But I'm not really looking to get back into UAD land. This would be the same kind of thing but with Pro Tools (which I know and like a lot) and without the years of waiting for feature maturity (Luna). Still I hope Luna is wildly successful. These two competing is good for all of us (as evidenced by this Carbon release). I hear you on the feature maturity thing. Though, once hardware inserts are available in Luna, that would take care of it for me. I basically just use the DAW as a glorified tape machine and console and don't do a bunch of fancy stuff with it. Well, Luna also has to come to Windows. So there's that too. C'mon UA... I do like that Carbon is AVB. But I also have to wonder if they will offer a non-preamp version in a 16 channel format? $8k for a pair of Carbons, just to get 16 channels, is a lot. I need a minimum of 16 channels I/O and the x16 got me there for $3,500 or whatever I paid. Also, the Carbon doesn't have AES or spdif. That's a pretty big oversight if you ask me. A lot of people, including myself, run a stereo AD/DA on their master these days. Maybe a 16 channel version of Carbon might offer that? Time will tell. Also, I don't love the fan thing... |
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Post by brenta on Nov 12, 2020 15:47:03 GMT -6
A fan...doh! They do say it is a quiet fan, though.
It is pretty expensive for 8 channels of analog I/O, but I guess there's always the Avid premium we have to pay. I'd rather it not have any preamps and be $500 cheaper. Historically I've never loved any of the preamps Avid/Digidesign have put out.
I'm a little surprised by the Ethernet connectivity as opposed to Thunderbolt or USB. I wonder if it would work with one of those Thunderbolt->Ethernet adapters. Otherwise everyone with a Macbook is SOL.
I'll be interested it hear how it sounds.
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Post by Blackdawg on Nov 12, 2020 15:49:56 GMT -6
A fan...doh! They do say it is a quiet fan, though. It is pretty expensive for 8 channels of analog I/O, but I guess there's always the Avid premium we have to pay. I'd rather it not have any preamps and be $500 cheaper. Historically I've never loved any of the preamps Avid/Digidesign have put out. I'm a little surprised by the Ethernet connectivity as opposed to Thunderbolt or USB. I wonder if it would work with one of those Thunderbolt->Ethernet adapters. Otherwise everyone with a Macbook is SOL. I'll be interested it hear how it sounds. Im not, not really. Even the thunderbolt protocol has changed how many times in the last few years? USB too now. RJ45 connection hasn't changed in a LONG time. And likely won't give then amount of bandwidth you can put on that kind of connection and the fact that audio hasn't approached maxing out that bandwidth yet. |
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Post by subspace on Nov 12, 2020 16:08:51 GMT -6
A fan...doh! They do say it is a quiet fan, though. It is pretty expensive for 8 channels of analog I/O, but I guess there's always the Avid premium we have to pay. I'd rather it not have any preamps and be $500 cheaper. Historically I've never loved any of the preamps Avid/Digidesign have put out. I'm a little surprised by the Ethernet connectivity as opposed to Thunderbolt or USB. I wonder if it would work with one of those Thunderbolt->Ethernet adapters. Otherwise everyone with a Macbook is SOL. I'll be interested it hear how it sounds. Yes, Avid support says it supports the TB2>Ethernet adaptor, as a matter of fact you need both the USB-C>TB2 and TB2>ethernet adaptors to make it work with TB3. Ain't gonna work with my 2014 MBP regardless, have to wait out the new MBP/M1 processor/Big Sur compatibility to consider it. |
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