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Post by Vincent R. on Apr 9, 2020 7:33:35 GMT -6
I was kind of surprised at how suddenly I decided to order the WA84, I wasn't even really thinking about them. They should hopefully arrive today! Curious about your thoughts. Let us know what you think after you play around with them. I’ve been playing with the WA47 in here and I have to say I’m impressed by it considering it’s price point. That makes me curious about the WA84s.
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Post by Guitar on Apr 9, 2020 8:50:13 GMT -6
I was kind of surprised at how suddenly I decided to order the WA84, I wasn't even really thinking about them. They should hopefully arrive today! Curious about your thoughts. Let us know what you think after you play around with them. I’ve been playing with the WA47 in here and I have to say I’m impressed by it considering it’s price point. That makes me curious about the WA84s. If they don't get here today, they will get here tomorrow. I'll be sure to try them on several different sources before I make up my mind or give an impression. I am super picky about microphones, so if I'm impressed enough to keep it that will be something. I like the sound they got on Sweetwater on the Gibson acoustic guitar. That's sort of what prompted me to pull the trigger, along with the 100 dollar discount. If they can beat my modified Oktava MK 012 and the KSM 137 on either guitar or drum overheads then they will earn a spot here. Those are the challengers. I am still quite sure that I want to buy some KM184 again one day, but they are expensive for me. I also need some omnis, possibly Line Audio. And I'd dream of Schoeps or something. I want some AT back also, either 4041 or 4051, that's a sound that apparently I kind of miss, underestimated at the time. Decided not to buy the Soyuz 013. A lot of the clips were "a little dark" or rounded in a way, and that's not what I'm after. If I could own all those mics I just mentioned, it would probably be time to call it quits on spending. At least on SDCs. The Okava and the KSM are "very good" but I'm searching for that "next level" tone on acoustic guitars. It is so hard to get right. Now that I own a Martin D28 I can be more picky about mics. For the Epiphones or whatever who cares. Use whatever you've got. I would never want the microphone to be twice the price of the guitar. Just for peace of mind, anyway, I'm sure it happens.
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Post by jaminem on Apr 9, 2020 9:29:15 GMT -6
...Man in Neumann office slams down phone after shouting "look, you're the 100th bloody person I've had to tell today, there just isn't any demand for a reissue of the KM84!!"...
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Post by Vincent R. on Apr 9, 2020 11:44:39 GMT -6
Curious about your thoughts. Let us know what you think after you play around with them. I’ve been playing with the WA47 in here and I have to say I’m impressed by it considering it’s price point. That makes me curious about the WA84s. If they don't get here today, they will get here tomorrow. I'll be sure to try them on several different sources before I make up my mind or give an impression. I am super picky about microphones, so if I'm impressed enough to keep it that will be something. I like the sound they got on Sweetwater on the Gibson acoustic guitar. That's sort of what prompted me to pull the trigger, along with the 100 dollar discount. If they can beat my modified Oktava MK 012 and the KSM 137 on either guitar or drum overheads then they will earn a spot here. Those are the challengers. I am still quite sure that I want to buy some KM184 again one day, but they are expensive for me. I also need some omnis, possibly Line Audio. And I'd dream of Schoeps or something. I want some AT back also, either 4041 or 4051, that's a sound that apparently I kind of miss, underestimated at the time. Decided not to buy the Soyuz 013. A lot of the clips were "a little dark" or rounded in a way, and that's not what I'm after. If I could own all those mics I just mentioned, it would probably be time to call it quits on spending. At least on SDCs. The Okava and the KSM are "very good" but I'm searching for that "next level" tone on acoustic guitars. It is so hard to get right. Now that I own a Martin D28 I can be more picky about mics. For the Epiphones or whatever who cares. Use whatever you've got. I would never want the microphone to be twice the price of the guitar. Just for peace of mind, anyway, I'm sure it happens. Decent shootout of the KM184 and the WA84 here. There is also the Telefunken USA ELA M251 vs WA251, U87 vs WA87, and WA14 vs C414XLII. I’ve said it in the past, it’s really about mojo or lack their of in the Warm. Actually I don’t really like the WA87. The WA251 reminds me of my old AA CM251.
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Post by chessparov on Apr 9, 2020 12:51:53 GMT -6
IMHO 3U and AA use better overall circuitry, than Warm. Chris
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Post by Ward on Apr 10, 2020 4:36:49 GMT -6
IMHO 3U and AA use better overall circuitry, than Warm. Chris please don't take this as a challenge, it's just a questionIs there any available online comparison that would show circuit differences? cdkelly you know of anything?
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Post by Vincent R. on Apr 10, 2020 7:21:09 GMT -6
IMHO 3U and AA use better overall circuitry, than Warm. Chris please don't take this as a challenge, it's just a questionIs there any available online comparison that would show circuit differences? cdkelly you know of anything? Circuit differences, I’m not sure. You can hear many of the Warm and AA mics at Audio Test Kitchen.
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Post by Ward on Apr 10, 2020 9:02:14 GMT -6
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Post by stratboy on Apr 10, 2020 9:48:03 GMT -6
Has anyone tried the Vanguard V1? I’m curious about them.
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Post by Vincent R. on Apr 10, 2020 10:16:56 GMT -6
Si! CM47, CM48T, WA47, etc.
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Post by chessparov on Apr 10, 2020 13:51:20 GMT -6
IMHO 3U and AA use better overall circuitry, than Warm. Chris please don't take this as a challenge, it's just a questionIs there any available online comparison that would show circuit differences? cdkelly you know of anything? It's a great question Ward! I think AA and 3U are overall superior to Warm because... 1) The low noise figures for 3U Audio, indicate that technically. 2) Both Guosheng (3U) and Dave Thomas rightfully take pride in what they make. 3) Dave Thomas reminds me of Wes Dooley. Happy to talk to you, with detailed explanations of a given microphone. So he's "into it". 4) My (educated) guess is that Chad, was the best thing about the whole Warm microphone line. If the QC/parts used had matched his expertise/enthusiasm... Warm would have been(much) more of a major player. Chris
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Post by Guitar on Apr 10, 2020 15:00:48 GMT -6
I bet chad is proud too, LOL. Everyone is proud.
Anyway I'll post some clips probably soon, but the WA-84 sounds pretty brilliant on acoustic guitar here. I need to stick them some other places before I get a big idea, but so far I am very impressed.
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Post by Vincent R. on Apr 10, 2020 15:26:52 GMT -6
Yeah. I’ve been playing around with a song to do live on YouTube and have had mike‘s WA47 in here. I did a quick recording with my MK U67 and FleA49 to see which I preferred. Sergio Franchi’s original was done with a U67, but I think I’ll use the 49 for mine. Anyway, I threw up the WA47 and did a separate take with it. It sounds great. It doesn’t best the FleA or the U67, but is it cause 67s and 49s sound better on me or is it just the missing mojo? I’m really not sure. aamicrophones is going to send me his new CM47LE. Things got delayed due to the everything going on, but I’m looking forward to hear the two next to each other.
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Post by Guitar on Apr 10, 2020 15:41:59 GMT -6
I meant to say I bet bryce is proud, but I also know chad is proud. Designers don't like it if you suggest they aren't proud, I got in trouble for that maybe once.
WA84 is exactly what I wanted out of an acoustic guitar microphone. It's a sound you recognize. Tomorrow afternoon I'll try drums and guitar amps. Maybe some other stuff, percussion, dulcimer.
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Post by Guitar on Apr 10, 2020 15:44:23 GMT -6
Yeah. I’ve been playing around with a song to do live on YouTube and have had mike ‘s WA47 in here. I did a quick recording with my MK U67 and FleA49 to see which I preferred. Sergio Franchi’s original was done with a U67, but I think I’ll use the 49 for mine. Anyway, I threw up the WA47 and did a separate take with it. It sounds great. It doesn’t best the FleA or the U67, but is it cause 67s and 49s sound better on me or is it just the missing mojo? I’m really not sure. aamicrophones is going to send me his new CM47LE. Things got delayed due to the everything going on, but I’m looking forward to hear the two next to each other. Have you ever had the chance to try the Warm 251 against a high end 251? That's the one that interests me the most, besides these WA84s.
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Post by gwlee7 on Apr 10, 2020 15:56:10 GMT -6
Yeah. I’ve been playing around with a song to do live on YouTube and have had mike ‘s WA47 in here. I did a quick recording with my MK U67 and FleA49 to see which I preferred. Sergio Franchi’s original was done with a U67, but I think I’ll use the 49 for mine. Anyway, I threw up the WA47 and did a separate take with it. It sounds great. It doesn’t best the FleA or the U67, but is it cause 67s and 49s sound better on me or is it just the missing mojo? I’m really not sure. aamicrophones is going to send me his new CM47LE. Things got delayed due to the everything going on, but I’m looking forward to hear the two next to each other. Have you ever had the chance to try the Warm 251 against a high end 251? That's the one that interests me the most, besides these WA84s. I have a WA 251. I also cannot sing for shit. Bear that in mind and tell what you want me to record.
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Post by gwlee7 on Apr 10, 2020 15:57:21 GMT -6
I meant to say I bet bryce is proud, but I also know chad is proud. Designers don't like it if you suggest they aren't proud, I got in trouble for that maybe once. WA84 is exactly what I wanted out of an acoustic guitar microphone. It's a sound you recognize. Tomorrow afternoon I'll try drums and guitar amps. Maybe some other stuff, percussion, dulcimer. Edited: I have an 87 not an 84. Reading is hard.
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Post by chessparov on Apr 10, 2020 16:11:32 GMT -6
You have a very nice voice too. We can all be a bit hard on ourselves, at times... Chris
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Post by gwlee7 on Apr 10, 2020 16:15:59 GMT -6
You have a very nice voice too. We can all be a bit hard on ourselves, at times... Chris That’s kind of you to say. I know we all can be hard on ourselves but, distinct may be a better adjective.
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Post by Vincent R. on Apr 10, 2020 16:21:35 GMT -6
No I haven’t.
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Post by ericn on Apr 10, 2020 17:45:41 GMT -6
please don't take this as a challenge, it's just a questionIs there any available online comparison that would show circuit differences? cdkelly you know of anything? It's a great question Ward! I think AA and 3U are overall superior to Warm because... 1) The low noise figures for 3U Audio, indicate that technically. 2) Both Guosheng (3U) and Dave Thomas rightfully take pride in what they make. 3) Dave Thomas reminds me of Wes Dooley. Happy to talk to you, with detailed explanations of a given microphone. So he's "into it". 4) My (educated) guess is that Chad, was the best thing about the whole Warm microphone line. If the QC/parts used had matched his expertise/enthusiasm... Warm would have been(much) more of a major player. Chris Playing devil’s advocate here First from the schematics I have seen the KM84 circuit isn’t that complicated. Second Neumann wasn’t using any expensive parts and what was considered tight tolerance at that time would be shunned by many today. It comes down to its really all about the capsule and the transformer, you can still buy both from Neumann as parts. Now if Warm had stuck to the plan of using the same threading as the original they sure would have had a great platform for modding. Still it wouldn’t be that hard to have somebody at just about any machine shop make a run of bodies it’s a threaded tube !
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Post by mike on Apr 10, 2020 19:46:16 GMT -6
Playing devil’s advocate here First from the schematics I have seen the KM84 circuit isn’t that complicated. Second Neumann wasn’t using any expensive parts and what was considered tight tolerance at that time would be shunned by many today. It comes down to its really all about the capsule and the transformer, you can still buy both from Neumann as parts. Now if Warm had stuck to the plan of using the same threading as the original they sure would have had a great platform for modding. Still it wouldn’t be that hard to have somebody at just about any machine shop make a run of bodies it’s a threaded tube ! when I heard about it, I kind of wondered if it wasn't an accident Warm changed the threading to be different. I can't pretend I would know what it's like to run either company in a competitive global market place but can easily imagine why some Co's choose just how far they'll go to stay in their own lanes .
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Post by ericn on Apr 10, 2020 20:00:59 GMT -6
Playing devil’s advocate here First from the schematics I have seen the KM84 circuit isn’t that complicated. Second Neumann wasn’t using any expensive parts and what was considered tight tolerance at that time would be shunned by many today. It comes down to its really all about the capsule and the transformer, you can still buy both from Neumann as parts. Now if Warm had stuck to the plan of using the same threading as the original they sure would have had a great platform for modding. Still it wouldn’t be that hard to have somebody at just about any machine shop make a run of bodies it’s a threaded tube ! when I heard about it, I kind of wondered if it wasn't an accident Warm changed the threading to be different. I can't pretend I would know what it's like to run either company in a competitive global market place but can easily imagine why some Co's choose just how far they'll go to stay in their own lanes .
I’ll bet they changed because it was cheaper to buy bodies that were the same as their OEM is making for some one else.
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Post by Guitar on Apr 11, 2020 5:25:55 GMT -6
when I heard about it, I kind of wondered if it wasn't an accident Warm changed the threading to be different. I can't pretend I would know what it's like to run either company in a competitive global market place but can easily imagine why some Co's choose just how far they'll go to stay in their own lanes .
I’ll bet they changed because it was cheaper to buy bodies that were the same as their OEM is making for some one else. that's what they said it is "cheaper to manufacture" easier for the factories they use, it's a standard thread used on other mics made there
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Post by Guitar on Apr 11, 2020 13:38:53 GMT -6
After more testing I am not sure about these Warms. They are just a touch on the muddy side to my ear.
I don't know why it seems so hard to just buy the KM184 I used to be head over heels about, mainly that big price tag is hard to stomach.
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