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Post by bricejchandler on Apr 7, 2020 10:08:20 GMT -6
Wow, that was mistake. I shouldn’t post when I’m tired. Lol. Lol, and it's an honest mistake since I do have a famous microphone company named after me
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Post by chessparov on Apr 7, 2020 12:16:31 GMT -6
Misteaks are Verboaten! Just a quick shout out, that I appreciate all you guys being good sports, about this thread. Anywhere else, this'd would've sunk to the bottom, pretty quickly. Instead here at RGO, it becomes a thoughtful discussion! Thanks guys, Chris P.S. I never heard of Brice Microphones before.
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Post by christopher on Apr 7, 2020 15:15:10 GMT -6
The cool thing with Schoeps you can do literally anything audio, all the way to blockbuster movies, just 2-4 mics and the different heads.
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Post by Blackdawg on Apr 7, 2020 15:42:01 GMT -6
The cool thing with Schoeps you can do literally anything audio, all the way to blockbuster movies, just 2-4 mics and the different heads. Pretty much the same with DPA's too. They are great. Surprised more don't use them. Both brands.
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Post by ericn on Apr 7, 2020 17:43:29 GMT -6
The cool thing with Schoeps you can do literally anything audio, all the way to blockbuster movies, just 2-4 mics and the different heads. Pretty much the same with DPA's too. They are great. Surprised more don't use them. Both brands. The good thing about this is you can sometimes find that for a steal because pet don’t know what they are, but you have to move fast before they either figure it out or someone else grabs them!
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Post by reddirt on Apr 7, 2020 22:49:31 GMT -6
Just checked the prices for Schoeps cm6 / 41 in Australia; a little under 2.5k rrp which for the quality is not exorbitant for here. Alternative heads are roughly 1.25k.
I have never considered them as I thought they were way dearer.
The old adages of "We didnt have much money so we bought the best" and "No one ever regretted buying quality" might well apply.
Cheers, Ross
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Post by Blackdawg on Apr 8, 2020 0:16:14 GMT -6
Just checked the prices for Schoeps cm6 / 41 in Australia; a little under 2.5k rrp which for the quality is not exorbitant for here. Alternative heads are roughly 1.25k. I have never considered them as I thought they were way dearer. The old adages of "We didnt have much money so we bought the best" and "No one ever regretted buying quality" might well apply. Cheers, Ross The schoeps are the cheaper of the two. DPA is a much flatter sound and a bit more sparkle up high and details. Low end is flatter and more magical to me as well and endless. But the Schoeps are very nice for other instruments. The low end is more rolled off and with a bump but no mud like the DPAs can bring. Smoother tops though and not a detailed compared to the DPAs. Can't go wrong with either though. My main lock is DPA 4041a, DPA4006, Schoeps MK2, MK4, MK2H.
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Post by bricejchandler on Apr 8, 2020 1:43:33 GMT -6
Just checked the prices for Schoeps cm6 / 41 in Australia; a little under 2.5k rrp which for the quality is not exorbitant for here. Alternative heads are roughly 1.25k. I have never considered them as I thought they were way dearer. The old adages of "We didnt have much money so we bought the best" and "No one ever regretted buying quality" might well apply. Cheers, Ross The schoeps are the cheaper of the two. DPA is a much flatter sound and a bit more sparkle up high and details. Low end is flatter and more magical to me as well and endless. But the Schoeps are very nice for other instruments. The low end is more rolled off and with a bump but no mud like the DPAs can bring. Smoother tops though and not a detailed compared to the DPAs. Can't go wrong with either though. My main lock is DPA 4041a, DPA4006, Schoeps MK2, MK4, MK2H. Every time I've heard a DPA, I thought it sounded amazing but actually find it a bit too revealing for what I do ( roots/americana/folk) and like the smokey sound of the Schoeps a bit better. I could definitely see how for most things the DPA would probably be a better pick though.
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Post by bricejchandler on Apr 8, 2020 1:46:25 GMT -6
Misteaks are Verboaten! Just a quick shout out, that I appreciate all you guys being good sports, about this thread. Anywhere else, this'd would've sunk to the bottom, pretty quickly. Instead here at RGO, it becomes a thoughtful discussion! Thanks guys, Chris P.S. I never heard of Brice Microphones before. Yeah I agree the vibe is a lot more benevolent here than it is on the other site.
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Post by Omicron9 on Apr 8, 2020 8:41:51 GMT -6
I am a HUGE FAN of the KSM137 and KSM141. Just want to put that right here. I had some AKG C451E but they didn't really do it for me. The one that got away is the KM184. I truly love that microphone and will get a pair before I die. +1; big KSM141 fan here.
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Post by the other mark williams on Apr 8, 2020 9:06:28 GMT -6
Has anyone here ever used those Line Audio mics? Either the omnis or the cardioids? It seems like there’s been a devoted following of them over at the purple site for quite a few years now.
Personally, I love my pair of Soyuz 013 FETs, but it would be nice to have a pair of omnis without breaking the bank...
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Post by Vincent R. on Apr 8, 2020 9:18:24 GMT -6
I’ve really been debating between a pair of Schoeps CMC6s and the Telefunken ELA M260s. Very different vibes, but those are the two I’ve been looking at for a while. I worry I’ll feel the ELA M260s are a bit bright and worried I’ll find the Schoeps a bit bland bland, kind of how I felt with the TLM170. Leaning toward the M260s, cause I’ve loved a lot of the samples I’ve heard of them, they come with multiple caps, have one single power supply for the pair, and I can get a spheres for them for a bit of M50 vibe if used as room mics.
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Post by ericn on Apr 8, 2020 9:20:05 GMT -6
I’ve really been debating between a pair of Schoeps CMC6s and the Telefunken ELA M260s. Very different vibes, but those are the two I’ve been looking at for a while. I worry I’ll feel the ELA M260s are a bit bright and worried I’ll find the Schoeps a bit bland bland, kind of how I felt with the TLM170. Leaning toward the M260s, cause I’ve loved a lot of the samples I’ve heard of them, they come with multiple caps, have one single power supply for the pair, and I can get a spheres for them for a bit of M50 vibe if used as room mics. For what you do Schoeps! Schoeps! Schoeps!
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Post by Blackdawg on Apr 8, 2020 9:26:42 GMT -6
I’ve really been debating between a pair of Schoeps CMC6s and the Telefunken ELA M260s. Very different vibes, but those are the two I’ve been looking at for a while. I worry I’ll feel the ELA M260s are a bit bright and worried I’ll find the Schoeps a bit bland bland, kind of how I felt with the TLM170. Leaning toward the M260s, cause I’ve loved a lot of the samples I’ve heard of them, they come with multiple caps, have one single power supply for the pair, and I can get a spheres for them for a bit of M50 vibe if used as room mics. You can get spheres for the scheops too(dpa as well). I use the mk2H with the spheres for room mics at times.
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Post by Ward on Apr 8, 2020 9:35:15 GMT -6
In my humble estimation . . . Neumann - makes things sound better than they really are. Audio make-up DPA - makes every pimple stand out Schoepps - makes everything sound cloudy, foggy, hide wrinkles well
Beyer and AKG SDCs are very close to the KM sound but sometimes a little more hyped (451s MC930s) or even harsh.
For ear-popping wow factor, if you aren't satisfied with KM84s, there are always Gefell M930s (I know LDCs that can sort of take the place of SDCs)
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Post by Vincent R. on Apr 8, 2020 10:18:14 GMT -6
I’ve really been debating between a pair of Schoeps CMC6s and the Telefunken ELA M260s. Very different vibes, but those are the two I’ve been looking at for a while. I worry I’ll feel the ELA M260s are a bit bright and worried I’ll find the Schoeps a bit bland bland, kind of how I felt with the TLM170. Leaning toward the M260s, cause I’ve loved a lot of the samples I’ve heard of them, they come with multiple caps, have one single power supply for the pair, and I can get a spheres for them for a bit of M50 vibe if used as room mics. You can get spheres for the scheops too(dpa as well). I use the mk2H with the spheres for room mics at times. I saw that recently which is why I’m still over here looking at the Schoeps. Lol.
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Post by bricejchandler on Apr 8, 2020 10:20:45 GMT -6
In my humble estimation . . . Neumann - makes things sound better than they really are. Audio make-up DPA - makes every pimple stand out Schoepps - makes everything sound cloudy, foggy, hide wrinkles well Beyer and AKG SDCs are very close to the KM sound but sometimes a little more hyped (451s MC930s) or even harsh. For ear-popping wow factor, if you aren't satisfied with KM84s, there are always Gefell M930s (I know LDCs that can sort of take the place of SDCs) Yeah the Akg and beyer Sdcs just are not on the same level. The very bright but never harsh quality of the KM84 is unmatched in my experience, unless you're getting into their tubes sdcs. I personally went the Schoeps route, they can be a bit veiled depending on the preamp but I run mine into a Tree audio Branch followed by a Pulse pultec and it sounds very open to me and a better sense of space compared to the KMs. The Dpa are amazing but were just too revealing for my music/playing!
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Post by Ward on Apr 8, 2020 10:29:15 GMT -6
In my humble estimation . . . Neumann - makes things sound better than they really are. Audio make-up DPA - makes every pimple stand out Schoepps - makes everything sound cloudy, foggy, hide wrinkles well Beyer and AKG SDCs are very close to the KM sound but sometimes a little more hyped (451s MC930s) or even harsh. For ear-popping wow factor, if you aren't satisfied with KM84s, there are always Gefell M930s (I know LDCs that can sort of take the place of SDCs) Yeah the Akg and beyer Sdcs just are not on the same level. The very bright but never harsh quality of the KM84 is unmatched in my experience, unless you're getting into their tubes sdcs. I personally went the Schoeps route, they can be a bit veiled depending on the preamp but I run mine into a Tree audio Branch followed by a Pulse pultec and it sounds very open to me and a better sense of space compared to the KMs. The Dpa are amazing but were just too revealing for my music/playing! Something funny though: On ear buds, cheap MXL SDCs sound pretty much the same. LOL
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Post by ericn on Apr 8, 2020 10:38:23 GMT -6
Yeah the Akg and beyer Sdcs just are not on the same level. The very bright but never harsh quality of the KM84 is unmatched in my experience, unless you're getting into their tubes sdcs. I personally went the Schoeps route, they can be a bit veiled depending on the preamp but I run mine into a Tree audio Branch followed by a Pulse pultec and it sounds very open to me and a better sense of space compared to the KMs. The Dpa are amazing but were just too revealing for my music/playing! Something funny though: On ear buds, cheap MXL SDCs sound pretty much the same. LOL My idea of cheap ear buds are Sony 7506’s same smiley curve, but some degree of fidelity 😁
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Post by chessparov on Apr 8, 2020 11:03:17 GMT -6
Yeah the Akg and beyer Sdcs just are not on the same level. The very bright but never harsh quality of the KM84 is unmatched in my experience, unless you're getting into their tubes sdcs. I personally went the Schoeps route, they can be a bit veiled depending on the preamp but I run mine into a Tree audio Branch followed by a Pulse pultec and it sounds very open to me and a better sense of space compared to the KMs. The Dpa are amazing but were just too revealing for my music/playing! Something funny though: On ear buds, cheap MXL SDCs sound pretty much the same. LOL On any buds! Chris
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Post by ericn on Apr 8, 2020 11:18:05 GMT -6
Something funny though: On ear buds, cheap MXL SDCs sound pretty much the same. LOL On any buds! Chris There are some medicinal buds that can make things sound much better😁
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Post by stratboy on Apr 8, 2020 12:27:36 GMT -6
Apparently I just ordered the Warm WA-84 pair. You’re not sure?
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Post by ericn on Apr 8, 2020 13:53:17 GMT -6
Apparently I just ordered the Warm WA-84 pair. You’re not sure? See post above yours ?😎
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Post by Guitar on Apr 9, 2020 5:36:45 GMT -6
I was kind of surprised at how suddenly I decided to order the WA84, I wasn't even really thinking about them. They should hopefully arrive today!
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Post by lando on Apr 9, 2020 6:50:25 GMT -6
Has anyone here ever used those Line Audio mics? Either the omnis or the cardioids? It seems like there’s been a devoted following of them over at the purple site for quite a few years now. Personally, I love my pair of Soyuz 013 FETs, but it would be nice to have a pair of omnis without breaking the bank... I have owned and used both CM3 and CM4 for ten years or so. They are extremely good for the price, but I highly doubt that they can stand up against DPA, 84s or Schoeps. They are reasonably clean sounding, but a bit noisy and are wide cardioid, not normal cardioid, which sometimes is good but sometimes means trouble. They are extremely small, so the visual footprint is very small, which sometimes is good. Ten years ago they were absolutely unbeatable for the price, but these days there’s more competition. Still a bargain though. I’ve heard guys on GS using them as main pair on a full orchestra with beautiful results, so they are definitely very good tools.
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