|
Post by Vincent R. on Apr 2, 2020 11:53:58 GMT -6
Anyone like Warm's version? Chris The hype around those seems to have died off rather quickly once they got released into the wild.... Before release it was all anyone could talk about. The prototypes were able to use the Neumann capsules. It was widely talked about during their introduction. This was changed early production before their release to save money. I think it kept a lot of people who were really intrigued about the microphone originally from buying it. Reviews have been mixed like many of Warm’s projects with newbies loving how good they sound next to similarly priced options and veterans lamenting what they’re missing sonically.
|
|
|
Post by chessparov on Apr 2, 2020 12:53:14 GMT -6
IMHO a KM84 Reissue would make Neumann much more $$, then the U67 and 47FET Reissues... Chris P.S. Great summation Vincent, on your last post.
|
|
|
Post by johneppstein on Apr 2, 2020 13:41:34 GMT -6
Er, No. Just No.
Shure has never in their history made a cardioid mic that sounds identical from dead on axis and 160 degrees off axis. I can set up my KM84 micing a snare from the side and get perfect pickup of the hi-hat behind the mic. Show me one KSM that can do that. Or even come close.
EDIT: Actually I made a slight error there - Shure has, in fact, created mics that sound as bad from the front as they do behind......
Well Gearlust was saying that the Soyuz Fet was out of his budget so tbh as flawed as the KSMs may be, I can't think of another SD pair that's available for $500 used that I'd be happy with, what would you suggest? 10 years ago I would've suggested Old 451Es and 460s but they've become a lot more expensive recently, I never loved the Beyer MCs or the Josephsons c42s. And yes KM84-86s, KM 54 are in a league of their own, no debating that. I still see 451Es and 460 in the $200 range. Just picked up a 460 about a month ago, in fact. WITH the box. They're not KM84s, but they're decent.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2020 13:47:30 GMT -6
Well Gearlust was saying that the Soyuz Fet was out of his budget so tbh as flawed as the KSMs may be, I can't think of another SD pair that's available for $500 used that I'd be happy with, what would you suggest? 10 years ago I would've suggested Old 451Es and 460s but they've become a lot more expensive recently, I never loved the Beyer MCs or the Josephsons c42s. And yes KM84-86s, KM 54 are in a league of their own, no debating that. I still see 451Es and 460 in the $200 range. Just picked up a 460 about a month ago, in fact. WITH the box. They're not KM84s, but they're decent. Lol. He misread me, soyuz isn't out of my budget. I have plenty gefell mics so I'm ok. however I agree with you on shure, I woudnt touch those mics like it had corona. Not a fan. I only like my mics German or Austrian
|
|
|
Post by Guitar on Apr 2, 2020 15:27:19 GMT -6
I am a HUGE FAN of the KSM137 and KSM141. Just want to put that right here.
I had some AKG C451E but they didn't really do it for me.
The one that got away is the KM184. I truly love that microphone and will get a pair before I die.
|
|
|
Post by bricejchandler on Apr 3, 2020 4:11:43 GMT -6
I am a HUGE FAN of the KSM137 and KSM141. Just want to put that right here. I had some AKG C451E but they didn't really do it for me. The one that got away is the KM184. I truly love that microphone and will get a pair before I die. Yeah count me in, I can't believe the amount of Shure hate but hey to each his own. Their ribbon mics, the old crowley and tripps are fabulous and I'll stand by my statement, I think the KSMs are very very nice for the money.
|
|
|
Post by chessparov on Apr 3, 2020 10:35:15 GMT -6
You like/love some of the Shure mics, all the time. But you can't like/love all of the Shure mics all the time! (apologies to Mr. Lincoln!) Chris
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2020 10:49:14 GMT -6
I am a HUGE FAN of the KSM137 and KSM141. Just want to put that right here. I had some AKG C451E but they didn't really do it for me. The one that got away is the KM184. I truly love that microphone and will get a pair before I die. Yeah count me in, I can't believe the amount of Shure hate but hey to each his own. Their ribbon mics, the old crowley and tripps are fabulous and I'll stand by my statement, I think the KSMs are very very nice for the money. i wouldn't be caught with one on a deathbed! just kidding man, it all depends on what works in your workflow, it all depends on a good engineer using them.
|
|
|
Post by Guitar on Apr 3, 2020 12:38:59 GMT -6
Apparently I just ordered the Warm WA-84 pair.
I won't be able to report on them for at least a week because Sweetwater is shipping slowly right now due to the health crisis.
|
|
|
Post by bricejchandler on Apr 3, 2020 13:32:11 GMT -6
Yeah count me in, I can't believe the amount of Shure hate but hey to each his own. Their ribbon mics, the old crowley and tripps are fabulous and I'll stand by my statement, I think the KSMs are very very nice for the money. i wouldn't be caught with one on a deathbed! just kidding man, it all depends on what works in your workflow, it all depends on a good engineer using them. You know , i respect that. What works for some doesn't for others. The studio I interned at about 15 years ago bought some as a poor man's Josephson E22S, we had 3 Josephsons, used one on snare and the other two for toms. We needed more mics for the occasional drummer who had like 4-5 toms but couldn't afford more E22s, on the recommendation of our dealer, we tried the KSMs and I thought they sounded really good for that application and everyone was happy with them. I used them for acoustics, cello, a lot of stringed instruments for spot mics in really large live sessions when the 84s and the Joes were already used on sthg. Tbh I haven't used them in about ten years but I have recommended them a couple of times to friends and they're happy with them.
|
|
|
Post by johneppstein on Apr 4, 2020 0:51:44 GMT -6
I am a HUGE FAN of the KSM137 and KSM141. Just want to put that right here. I had some AKG C451E but they didn't really do it for me. The one that got away is the KM184. I truly love that microphone and will get a pair before I die. Yeah count me in, I can't believe the amount of Shure hate but hey to each his own. Their ribbon mics, the old crowley and tripps are fabulous and I'll stand by my statement, I think the KSMs are very very nice for the money. I have a Shure model 300 ribbon that's really nice and a pair of the 300 series (I forget the number) directional ones (like Johnny Carson's, I think) that do not sound the same so one or both need ribbons. But Shure hasn't made anything like the 300 series in a long, long time.
|
|
|
Post by bricejchandler on Apr 4, 2020 2:27:28 GMT -6
Yeah count me in, I can't believe the amount of Shure hate but hey to each his own. Their ribbon mics, the old crowley and tripps are fabulous and I'll stand by my statement, I think the KSMs are very very nice for the money. I have a Shure model 300 ribbon that's really nice and a pair of the 300 series (I forget the number) directional ones (like Johnny Carson's, I think) that do not sound the same so one or both need ribbons. But Shure hasn't made anything like the 300 series in a long, long time. Well if you ever get a chance to hear their ribbons, try them. I really can't imagine you not liking them. Though they are not a Shure design, they just bought the Crowley brand.
|
|
|
Post by chessparov on Apr 4, 2020 11:58:44 GMT -6
Aleister? Chris
|
|
|
Post by johneppstein on Apr 4, 2020 16:59:06 GMT -6
I have a Shure model 300 ribbon that's really nice and a pair of the 300 series (I forget the number) directional ones (like Johnny Carson's, I think) that do not sound the same so one or both need ribbons. But Shure hasn't made anything like the 300 series in a long, long time. Well if you ever get a chance to hear their ribbons, try them. I really can't imagine you not liking them. Though they are not a Shure design, they just bought the Crowley brand. I tend to prefer traditionally voiced, vintage ribbons. And yes, I know about the Crowley/Shure ribbons.
I don't much care for "modern voiced" mics in general.
Lots of less experienced people mistake hyped treble or high mids for "detail". It isn't - it's just baked in EQ and I generally prefer to add my own EQ if it's really neccessary, thank you very much.
|
|
|
Post by Blackdawg on Apr 4, 2020 17:07:15 GMT -6
Still blows my mind that no one has tried the dpa4011a mics. Guarantee they will blow any other options out of the water that I've seen seen mentioned ever on this site.
|
|
|
Post by johneppstein on Apr 4, 2020 17:16:26 GMT -6
Still blows my mind that no one has tried the dpa4011a mics. Guarantee they will blow any other options out of the water that I've seen seen mentioned ever on this site. I've been aware of the DPA mics since the days when they were still part of B&K. Great mics.
I don't see many people around here talking about Schoeps, either. I learned about those from Dan Alexander, back in the early '80s.
|
|
|
Post by chessparov on Apr 4, 2020 18:44:25 GMT -6
Not much Behringer either! Chris
|
|
|
Post by Vincent R. on Apr 4, 2020 20:09:57 GMT -6
Man, I’d love a pair of Schoeps if I had the cash.
|
|
|
Post by Blackdawg on Apr 5, 2020 0:10:25 GMT -6
Still blows my mind that no one has tried the dpa4011a mics. Guarantee they will blow any other options out of the water that I've seen seen mentioned ever on this site. I've been aware of the DPA mics since the days when they were still part of B&K. Great mics.
I don't see many people around here talking about Schoeps, either. I learned about those from Dan Alexander, back in the early '80s.
Pretty much all I use are Schoeps and DPAs. Few others here and there. They are the Staples of the classical word. I'm always shocked more people don't use them. Schoeps mk4s are also stellar.
|
|
ericn
Temp
Balance Engineer
Posts: 14,937
|
Post by ericn on Apr 5, 2020 7:26:27 GMT -6
I've been aware of the DPA mics since the days when they were still part of B&K. Great mics.
I don't see many people around here talking about Schoeps, either. I learned about those from Dan Alexander, back in the early '80s.
Pretty much all I use are Schoeps and DPAs. Few others here and there. They are the Staples of the classical word. I'm always shocked more people don't use them. Schoeps mk4s are also stellar. For years Schoeps avoided MI and most main line dealers, many had no idea what they were.
|
|
|
Post by Vincent R. on Apr 6, 2020 20:07:54 GMT -6
|
|
|
Post by bricejchandler on Apr 7, 2020 1:42:44 GMT -6
|
|
|
Post by Vincent R. on Apr 7, 2020 6:43:24 GMT -6
bricejchandler which capsule do you use for your Chandler, the standard cardioid cap?
|
|
|
Post by bricejchandler on Apr 7, 2020 7:07:02 GMT -6
bricejchandler which capsule do you use for your Chandler, the standard cardioid cap? I use the Brice John head for my Chandler body, it came like that out of the factory and unfortunately is not swappable! Kidding aside, I have the MK41, hypercardioids, MK4 cadioids and MK21 wide cardioid. I tend to gravitate towards the 41s for acoustic instruments and at home. The 21s are beautiful but being kind of Omni-ish, they need a nice room. Generally I like the punch of the 41s for most things.
|
|
|
Post by Vincent R. on Apr 7, 2020 10:01:08 GMT -6
Wow, that was mistake. I shouldn’t post when I’m tired. Lol.
|
|