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Post by bricejchandler on Apr 1, 2020 14:19:33 GMT -6
Yes , it’s not a direct replacement but it sounds great. I didn’t buy them because I already have schoeps cmc6s, which I personally find just as useful as kms, if not more but if I didn’t have some sd mics the soyuz would probably be my first choice. The 013 tube version sounds sweet but they only sell it as pair I think, too expensive for me.. Haven’t heard the tube but can only imagine it’s amazing. On a budget the Shure Ksms are nice for everything you’d use a km on.
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Post by chessparov on Apr 1, 2020 14:35:56 GMT -6
IMHO their Bomblet, is also a quite a value. Chris
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Post by johneppstein on Apr 1, 2020 14:49:21 GMT -6
Luckily there have been quite a few new releases recently, the Soyuz particularly which get you comparable quality for a good price! Comparable quality but not comparable characteristics.
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Post by chessparov on Apr 1, 2020 14:51:06 GMT -6
Sounds like most girls I've dated! Chris
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Post by bricejchandler on Apr 1, 2020 15:15:14 GMT -6
Luckily there have been quite a few new releases recently, the Soyuz particularly which get you comparable quality for a good price! Comparable quality but not comparable characteristics. Oh yeah totally different sound for sure. I personally haven’t heard anything new that sounds as bright yet smooth as the km. The schoeps I love but they can be a tad dull next to 84s or 54s. Have you found anything that comes close?
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Post by johneppstein on Apr 1, 2020 15:18:15 GMT -6
Comparable quality but not comparable characteristics. Oh yeah totally different sound for sure. I personally haven’t heard anything new that sounds as bright yet smooth as the km. The schoeps I love but they can be a tad dull next to 84s or 54s. Have you found anything that comes close? No. That's why I'm looking for another 84, hoping the current pandemic brings prices down a bit.
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Post by drsax on Apr 1, 2020 15:19:10 GMT -6
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Post by chessparov on Apr 1, 2020 15:44:59 GMT -6
I'm such a Motown fan, that (someday) will seriously consider a KM86.
I wonder how easy/hard and costly servicing might be? I did like the switch, on the Bock iFET, that supposedly made it KM84-ish. Chris
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Post by johneppstein on Apr 1, 2020 19:41:07 GMT -6
I'm such a Motown fan, that (someday) will seriously consider a KM86. I wonder how easy/hard and costly servicing might be? I did like the switch, on the Bock iFET, that supposedly made it KM84-ish. Chris The thing that makes the KM84 so amazing is that, unlike nearly all other directional microphones, the off-axis pickup is pretty much identical to on-axis.
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Post by Ward on Apr 1, 2020 19:44:32 GMT -6
Yeah he was just kidding about the KM84. They're actually reissuing the U47. AND . . . . they're being totally aggressive with the pricing at $2999 for either a K47 U48 version or an M7 U47 version. Or the entire outfit with both headbaskets for $3499
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Post by dreamsambas on Apr 1, 2020 20:30:27 GMT -6
Neumann- please... if you're listening....
I pray for a KM84 reissue every night before I go to bed
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2020 20:51:45 GMT -6
The 013 tube version sounds sweet but they only sell it as pair I think, too expensive for me.. Haven’t heard the tube but can only imagine it’s amazing. On a budget the Shure Ksms are nice for everything you’d use a km on. It nicer than fet but again it's twice the price and you gota get a pair. I'll stick with fet lol u can her the differnce here
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Post by aremos on Apr 1, 2020 20:59:00 GMT -6
Yeah he was just kidding about the KM84. They're actually reissuing the U47. AND . . . . they're being totally aggressive with the pricing at $2999 for either a K47 U48 version or an M7 U47 version. Or the entire outfit with both headbaskets for $3499 AND ... the VF-14 tube was now being sourced by Tung-Sol (that recently set up a factory for this tube & future endeavors into the AC-701 - & you know where that's leading to)
But, seriously Ward, weren't you the one that stated recently that there was NO way this (KM-84) was going to happen ... that you heard it from a reliable source?
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Post by johneppstein on Apr 1, 2020 21:45:19 GMT -6
The 013 tube version sounds sweet but they only sell it as pair I think, too expensive for me.. Haven’t heard the tube but can only imagine it’s amazing. On a budget the Shure Ksms are nice for everything you’d use a km on. Er, No. Just No.
Shure has never in their history made a cardioid mic that sounds identical from dead on axis and 160 degrees off axis. I can set up my KM84 micing a snare from the side and get perfect pickup of the hi-hat behind the mic. Show me one KSM that can do that. Or even come close.
EDIT: Actually I made a slight error there - Shure has, in fact, created mics that sound as bad from the front as they do behind......
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Post by bricejchandler on Apr 2, 2020 1:10:54 GMT -6
Haven’t heard the tube but can only imagine it’s amazing. On a budget the Shure Ksms are nice for everything you’d use a km on. Er, No. Just No.
Shure has never in their history made a cardioid mic that sounds identical from dead on axis and 160 degrees off axis. I can set up my KM84 micing a snare from the side and get perfect pickup of the hi-hat behind the mic. Show me one KSM that can do that. Or even come close.
EDIT: Actually I made a slight error there - Shure has, in fact, created mics that sound as bad from the front as they do behind......
Well Gearlust was saying that the Soyuz Fet was out of his budget so tbh as flawed as the KSMs may be, I can't think of another SD pair that's available for $500 used that I'd be happy with, what would you suggest? 10 years ago I would've suggested Old 451Es and 460s but they've become a lot more expensive recently, I never loved the Beyer MCs or the Josephsons c42s. And yes KM84-86s, KM 54 are in a league of their own, no debating that.
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Post by Ward on Apr 2, 2020 6:36:14 GMT -6
AND . . . . they're being totally aggressive with the pricing at $2999 for either a K47 U48 version or an M7 U47 version. Or the entire outfit with both headbaskets for $3499 AND ... the VF-14 tube was now being sourced by Tung-Sol (that recently set up a factory for this tube & future endeavors into the AC-701 - & you know where that's leading to)
But, seriously Ward, weren't you the one that stated recently that there was NO way this (KM-84) was going to happen ... that you heard it from a reliable source? If the VP of service for Sennheiser-Neumann is a reliable source, then yes. As for my remarks? Just playing along with the April Fool's Day jokes!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2020 8:33:01 GMT -6
Er, No. Just No.
Shure has never in their history made a cardioid mic that sounds identical from dead on axis and 160 degrees off axis. I can set up my KM84 micing a snare from the side and get perfect pickup of the hi-hat behind the mic. Show me one KSM that can do that. Or even come close.
EDIT: Actually I made a slight error there - Shure has, in fact, created mics that sound as bad from the front as they do behind......
Well Gearlust was saying that the Soyuz Fet was out of his budget Believe u misunderstood. 013fet is quite affordable at 600. I was saying 013 tube is priced high at 2400, not fet.. I rather get gefell m200 before soyuz, theyre all good tools none the less. I do like the fact soyuz use transformers
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Post by bricejchandler on Apr 2, 2020 8:45:24 GMT -6
Well Gearlust was saying that the Soyuz Fet was out of his budget Believe u misunderstood. 013fet is quite affordable at 600. I was saying 013 tube is priced high at 2400, not fet.. I rather get gefell m200 before soyuz, theyre all good tools none the less. I do like the fact soyuz use transformers my bad!
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Post by chessparov on Apr 2, 2020 9:19:36 GMT -6
Anyone like Warm's version? Chris
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Post by drbill on Apr 2, 2020 10:20:44 GMT -6
I'm such a Motown fan, that (someday) will seriously consider a KM86. Chris You should get on it then Chris. It took me 10 years to find a nice mint pair at a semi-reasonable price. And the price is only going up.... But great mics. Now on the Neumann SDC front I've got (3) 84's, (2) 86's, (2) 53's, and (2) 140's. The 86's are probably my most used....
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Post by ragan on Apr 2, 2020 10:24:07 GMT -6
Anyone like Warm's version? Chris I thought it was pretty cool. It’s in the KM84/Warbler 127 sonic vein for sure. I thought it was a bit heavy in the low mids though, myself. I didn’t get to try it on that many sources though so my opinion is far from conclusive. If I didn’t have the 127s I probably would have bought a pair.
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Post by drbill on Apr 2, 2020 10:24:21 GMT -6
Anyone like Warm's version? Chris The hype around those seems to have died off rather quickly once they got released into the wild.... Before release it was all anyone could talk about.
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Post by ericn on Apr 2, 2020 10:30:39 GMT -6
AND ... the VF-14 tube was now being sourced by Tung-Sol (that recently set up a factory for this tube & future endeavors into the AC-701 - & you know where that's leading to)
But, seriously Ward, weren't you the one that stated recently that there was NO way this (KM-84) was going to happen ... that you heard it from a reliable source? If the VP of service for Sennheiser-Neumann is a reliable source, then yes. As for my remarks? Just playing along with the April Fool's Day jokes!! Of course that is what they said for years about the 47fet and U67. If somebody made a really really good clone and they sold well who knows.
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Post by chessparov on Apr 2, 2020 10:47:42 GMT -6
Actually, I'd be happy with any of the U47 tube "inspired by" microphones like... Horsh/Wunder/Bock/FLEA/Bock/Heiserman. But now the game plan, is for me "to learn", what I already have! Chris
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Post by drsax on Apr 2, 2020 11:35:50 GMT -6
Been super happy with a pair of the Soyuz 013 FET’s, but a proper KM84 reissue would be welcome for sure
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