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Post by Mister Chase on Aug 30, 2019 22:11:25 GMT -6
Whatever is available but here at home, I've used the Miktek C7 without a front head real close to the beater for a real dry punchy 70s type sound.
I've used a GT Velo 8 with good results, shure beta 52 but not at my place. Peluso p67... Various things.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2019 1:39:36 GMT -6
My M88 died and Beyerdynamic hasn’t even replied to my repair request. The mic was 3 years old. While I sort this out with the dealer, I’m recording kick with an SM7B (and it works surprisingly well!!!) This has me thinking about buying a new kick mic, and I would love to hear what you currently use and why  For my musical taste buying a vintage AKG D12 would be the obvious choice, but I’m scared of buying a mic that won’t be repairable in case of failure. ...Man! I feel you! My Gefell m930TS has been having some minor issues and Gefell was like "send it back for $$$ repair". I've got an m88 and I love it. I've used it on kick w/the Beyer foam cover and it's OK on kick but nothign special. I like it way more on vocals and toms or snare or guitar or bass cabs brass etc. I got the beyer d71e a while back for FOH and use it every night and LOVE it. |
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Post by javamad on Aug 31, 2019 2:51:12 GMT -6
ATM2500DE inside (dual capsule) here and SA-47 out -a foot back in a tunnel of blankets.
I also sometimes use a vox night train 1x10 cab I have ... its the speaker with the lowest resonant frequency in my studio ... I tested them all one day :-)
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Post by reddirt on Aug 31, 2019 3:43:27 GMT -6
I have an original AT 25 and it is a fine robustly built mic which works on all things bass-ish without frustrating EQ .
It may benefit from a tad more natural fat bottom but I'm being ultra critical here.
The original 88 is a great Kik sound imo but has been known to have possible as said diaphragm issues over time.
The D112 is not particularly likeable because of its eq'd sound ; it does have bottom end through.
I'm a fan of the MD 441 fwiw.
Never tried the Audio.
No answers for you just my experience
Cheers, Ross
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Post by schmalzy on Aug 31, 2019 7:44:02 GMT -6
Kicks get one of three inside mics here depending on needs and availability:
Natural - SM7B
Natural with extra click - Heil PR40
Hyped - Audix D6
Truthfully, I can get what I need out of the SM7B or the PR40 for most situations. A lot of times I really like the PR40 in another spot on the kit so I'm using the SM7B. D6 comes out for metal when I need the other 2 mics somewhere else.
Outside kick has been seeing an Audio Technical AT4040 or one of my AKG Perception 400s lately. I often low-pass the outside mic so I've not had to be super picky in that position.
I just tried the Shure Beta98A on the beater side on a kick with no hole in the reso head. I'm not 100% convinced on it but we'll see what happens as this project goes to mix. I'm looking forward to trying it in a few different positions and seeing what it can do for me.
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Post by woofhead on Aug 31, 2019 9:44:38 GMT -6
What do you like the pr40 for? A low tom?
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Post by bigbone on Aug 31, 2019 9:57:44 GMT -6
Senn 602 1st generation.as i try both 1st and 2nd generation,the 1st got a lot more low end
and a nicer tone.
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Post by Bender on Aug 31, 2019 12:29:46 GMT -6
52a inside, diy subkick speaker outside and either a warbler mk1d or a fathead for FOK duties. But I just sold the fathead and the warbler so I'm in the market. Keep the suggestions coming.
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Post by schmalzy on Aug 31, 2019 14:16:26 GMT -6
What do you like the pr40 for? A low tom? I like it all over the place. Kick in is great close or far from the beater. Snare top if the hihat bleed isn't killing it. It's my favorite snare bottom (a mic I lean on for top end of snare drums in heavy music drums). It's a great overkick/wurst/crotch mic. I bet it would be awesome on toms but I've always prioritized it more somewhere else. It's not hyped in the low end but it's all there. If I need a little more subs for kick usage I'll boost it at 55hz-ish or add more subs with the outside kick mic. It's super useful on aggressive drums when it's not being bombarded by cymbals wash. If I had 5 of those things I'd find a way to use 'em! It's also great on a bass guitar cab and is sometimes the right choice on guitar amps. Kind of an un-57. There seems to be more top and more bottom available but it's also SUPER hard in the upper midrange. You have to be careful because that mic really loves 1.5kHz to 4kHz in a different way than a 57. Less honky but more strident and aggressive than a 57...I think it's because a wider range of frequencies are really pushed forward more than they normally are by a 57. It's nuclear kryptonite crucifixion to my nasal, didn't learn to sing properly, deviated septum voice. On a voice that just won't cut it was great. |
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Post by mcirish on Aug 31, 2019 17:36:13 GMT -6
I typically use a beta 52a in the hole and a at4047 on the outside. I know a lot of people don't like the pre EQ of the 52a, but I find it gets me close to the sound I want faster. I used to like a RE20 as well inside the kick. I had to give it back to the owner so I'm still missing it a bit for a more natural sounding kick
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 31, 2019 19:52:30 GMT -6
I have an original AT 25 and it is a fine robustly built mic which works on all things bass-ish without frustrating EQ . It may benefit from a tad more natural fat bottom but I'm being ultra critical here. The original 88 is a great Kik sound imo but has been known to have possible as said diaphragm issues over time. The D112 is not particularly likeable because of its eq'd sound ; it does have bottom end through. I'm a fan of the MD 441 fwiw. Never tried the Audio. No answers for you just my experience Cheers, Ross The D112 sucks dog balls. The over EQed low end is bad enough but can be lived with. The OBNOXIOUSLY hyped click is insufferable and can't.
The damn thing isn't even good for playing mini touch football because the stupid stem sticking out the side makes it impossible to make a decent pass. And it rolls too much to use as a paperweight.
One of my criteria for evaluating online studio ads/sites is whether their main kick mic is a D112. It's an immediate cancel.
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 31, 2019 19:58:37 GMT -6
I typically use a beta 52a in the hole and a at4047 on the outside. I know a lot of people don't like the pre EQ of the 52a, but I find it gets me close to the sound I want faster. I used to like a RE20 as well inside the kick. I had to give it back to the owner so I'm still missing it a bit for a more natural sounding kick Erm, your console should have EQ knobs. Then you can adjust EQ to the drum you're dealing with, not some labcoated idiot's idea of what a "kick drum" is.
I have two RE20s.
Comparing a Beta 52 to an RE20 is like comparing a Yugo to a '59 Caddy.
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Post by rowmat on Aug 31, 2019 20:55:20 GMT -6
Heil PR40 and a 6” subkick.
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Post by rowmat on Aug 31, 2019 21:01:44 GMT -6
And just a reminder that contrary to popular ‘mis’belief the Audio Technica ATM25 is still available brand new from Japan. www.audio-technica.co.jp/mi/show_model.php?modelId=2518ATM25’s can be purchased from various Japanese vendors online. Why they are listed as ‘Discontinued’ outside of Japan is a mystery to me. |
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Post by Guitar on Aug 31, 2019 22:33:12 GMT -6
D112 is a great floor tom mic. I've seen plenty of other people use it for that too. I'm willing to get into a kickboxing match about it if necessary.
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Post by Ward on Sept 1, 2019 7:40:44 GMT -6
D112 is a great floor tom mic. I've seen plenty of other people use it for that too. I'm willing to get into a kickboxing match about it if necessary. Whilst this is true, what do you pair it with? It's kind of nice to have matching microphones when mic'ing tom-toms. Has anyone used 2-4 D112s on a complement of tom-toms? I've stuck with matched sets of 421s, CAD M179s or U89s (all I use these days) for Toms-toms, unless I'm using more than 3. |
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Post by bigbone on Sept 1, 2019 8:53:25 GMT -6
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Post by nomatic on Sept 1, 2019 9:02:09 GMT -6
Sennheiser e602 (Gen 1) and a sE X1 D and a Tul F 47 outside.
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Post by stormymondays on Sept 1, 2019 9:23:07 GMT -6
Thanks everyone for the comments, great thread! I think I’m going to get an ATM25 from Japan and see how I like it. It’s affordable and seems a very safe bet. Also on my list: the AKG D12vr and the Telefunken M82. I’d love to get every mic on this thread and shoot them out! |
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Post by Guitar on Sept 1, 2019 11:28:21 GMT -6
D112 is a great floor tom mic. I've seen plenty of other people use it for that too. I'm willing to get into a kickboxing match about it if necessary. Whilst this is true, what do you pair it with? It's kind of nice to have matching microphones when mic'ing tom-toms. Has anyone used 2-4 D112s on a complement of tom-toms? I've stuck with matched sets of 421s, CAD M179s or U89s (all I use these days) for Toms-toms, unless I'm using more than 3. I treat the floor tom as a bass instrument so it gets a special mic most of the time. Hi toms are always matched. It seems to work for me in a mix, no disconnect sonically. EDIT: I'm using EV CO4 for high toms currently. If I had 3x M88TG or MD441 I would happily use those on all of the toms. But I don't really like the idea of spending nearly $1000, or more, on tom mics. That's something a 5-star studio can easily cover, but not someone like me who has to make everything count. I also use "inexpensive" mic pres for drum mics and results are just fine. It's sort of a hunting for treasure kind of game, because inexpensive gear can easily make you frown. You gotta find the gold amongst the manure. |
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Post by din on Sept 3, 2019 7:41:44 GMT -6
Lately I've been liking Beta 91A inside + AT4047 outside.
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Post by svart on Sept 3, 2019 19:47:31 GMT -6
I'm kinda interested in the lewitt 640rex mic that has two elements..
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Post by notneeson on Sept 4, 2019 10:58:51 GMT -6
I'm kinda interested in the lewitt 640rex mic that has two elements.. It's nice, I had it in on a session where the drummer brought some of his gear by. For me it's not a replacement for the flexibility of kick in and kick out combined, but it's a nice option. I suppose you could still use a kick out as well. I thought it was a tad pricey for a mic you'd only use in one place, that said, 121 on kick out is quite a bit more expensive and that's my current fav. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2022 11:03:57 GMT -6
What are you guys using in 2022? Any secret weapons? I’ve been using:
RE20. Very good overall sound. Not hollow and keeps the knock of the beater. Can take eq very well.
RE16. Sometimes this just works so well. Man this is a great bass cab mic too. And it can sound bigger than the RE20 with less work on kick
Beta 52. Okay it’s not great but it works but can have an annoying high end and always sounds like the mic. Has the Shure woodiness though which I can never get rid of in the mix.
D6. Either it works perfectly with no eq needed or it sounds like hollow trash. Little knock though but it usually sounds good and sits in the mix unless it doesn’t work at all.
An SM57 or 58 for no bass in the kick trash metal and use the beta 52 on bass.
I didn’t like the d112 vr and d12 vr that much. Too scared to waste the re16 on kick too much. I only have 1 and theyre disocntinued
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Post by Guitar on Mar 26, 2022 11:07:07 GMT -6
EV N/D868 in the hole
Sometimes Senneiser 902 in the hole for a more 'modern' sound
Outside always a second mic
Sometimes M88TG, lately Warm WA47JR, and very rarely a DIY subkick
Great sounds! EV 660/PL6 is also good in the hole, but haven't used it in a while
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