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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 26, 2016 11:03:49 GMT -6
$600, and a serious bargain at that, doubt they'll stay that low for too long.
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 25, 2016 22:40:12 GMT -6
3rd that!
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 25, 2016 13:00:28 GMT -6
not sure there's a right or wrong answer here. No one likes compression when it is misused (excluding for effect)...but that wasn't the intended use of the unit in the first place. It's not "compression's" fault that someone didn't know how to use it. Lol. I really like to use compression for the sound that it imparts on the signal - and general gain reduction. If there are major transients, or soft parts, I'll often ride the volume instead of relying on the comp. Agreed. I really like the throbbing, punching socko sound of all the instruments in a pop mix grooving together in an electronically created DR envelope that you can feel as well as hear.That kind of euphoric groove you would hear now and then but when Bob Clearmountain and others refined the mix process, you came to expect it on hit recordings. Take a song like The Champs' "Tequila" in 1958. It's really well recorded, has plenty of breathing room, has dynamics and mixes acoustic and electric intruments with equal impact. But you can listen to that on the radio, with radio's addtional broadcast compression and leveling, and it sounds even better to my ear with the DR envelope tightened. that's what i'm talkin bout!! applies to about any music as you're attempting the near impossible act of presenting an entire band from 2 little speakers, very few mixers can pull it off.
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 24, 2016 22:15:28 GMT -6
I would really like to learn how those guys I named above make it sound like the dynamic range on every instrument has like 3db. Seriously, it's like even tho a drum fill might be performed super quiet (like brushes playing a cymbal roll), it's just as loud coming out of the speakers as another phrase that was played FFF by the drums. How do they do that? It's definitely not compression because it sounds like they just set the levels for each musical phrase (not each track) so they sit between -3 and -6 on an RMS meter or something... I don't know... I can't figure it out, but I want to know how they do it. *cough cough* can you explain this a bit? i don't quite understand what you mean by "it sound like the dynamic range on every instrument has like 3db." A really great way to understand reverb and the way sound travels is to go to a busy place, and listen(easy for you in NYC Chuck!), check out people as they're walking and talking, or traffic coming down a street, listen to what happens to the freqs as they approach, and as they leave, source interaction with environment etc, understand the way frequencies behave in the real world, and it becomes much easier to manipulate them in your mix, one of the reasons people are never happy with their reverb choices is because detailing what we hear is totally fleeting, which is weird considering how badass we are at understanding it instinctually, if we didn't we'd have been dinosaur food long ago 8)
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 24, 2016 13:33:43 GMT -6
Ward, are u saying Mr S is somehow disingenuous in what he wrote in the above quote?
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 24, 2016 12:11:33 GMT -6
Welcome to the forum pal, My C12 is quite nice, and my MKU47(s) is pretty badass, as well as my MK47, I'm thinking of turning my MK47 into a super cardoid for more punchy FET47 type duties, the DIY 67's i've heard aren't very much like the real deal Neumann U67's from what i've heard with my own ears, not sure why that is?
search "winecamp shootout" for some good DIY clips comparing diy's/and some real deal stuff as well.
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 24, 2016 11:56:49 GMT -6
I'm with him... Very, very, rarely, do I use any Compression while tracking. Actually I rarely use EQ either! Move or change a mic, instrument, or whatever. Usually a much better result. And I can EQ or Compress during mix down if required. Now that being said, I do like a little 1 or 2 db of SSL on the 2 Bus... But then again, that depends on what I'm mixing down to... curious, when do you like the 1-2db of SSL on the 2? meaning at what point in your mix process. thanx
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 24, 2016 11:46:17 GMT -6
that queen thing is a knee slapper, the thing with McCartney was equally horrible, but I hear he's the voice of a generation (by his own words....), can anyone link me something this tool has done that reveals actual talent? If you can't appreciate Gold Digger, you won't get any of it. You're totally right, "I don't get it", he's a gay fish for god sake, I can't relate to that, not to mention his lyrical depth and musical prowess is simply way over my head!
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 23, 2016 23:28:36 GMT -6
I think drummers hitting harder in the arena rock era forced drum companies to make more HD hardware and drums and cymbals, and they now sound worse than the the '60's kits. Less euphonic, anyway. And get off my lawn. I don't know what it is but back in the day drummers all sounded different and had a different vibe where when you heard them play you knew what drummer it was . Today it seems like all the hard rock drummers pretty much sound the same . Like you can get a different new drummer and the band pretty much sounds the same . Maybe its all the compression and everyone hitting their drums harder gives the same generic sound . it takes skill to hit a drum properly, and pull the tone out of the drum, not smashing through them, the latter is what most do today.
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 23, 2016 23:26:05 GMT -6
I think drummers hitting harder in the arena rock era forced drum companies to make more HD hardware and drums and cymbals, and they now sound worse than the the '60's kits. Less euphonic, anyway. And get off my lawn. nailed it! diecast hoops sound horrible, a lot of steel hoops are 3mm, back in the day i believe they were 1.6mm or less(cant remember ATM), i get the thinnest hoops possible, and they don't last long, but what they do do(yes i said doodoo 8), is sound great! I also have a DW9000 hi hat stand, it sounds horrible! yes, the stand sounds horrible! I have an old rogers swivomatic, and it sounds GLORIOUS, seems funny to read that i'm sure, but i'm not even remotely kidding. btw, the reason the thinner hoops sound better is because they bend, think about how a guitar player would sound if they didn't bend a string when the played, thick or diecast hoops take away the momentary tweak of the rim upon being struck, it stiffens everything up physically and sonically, boo! haha
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 23, 2016 23:13:17 GMT -6
JMO, the vibe is a wonder bread version of Eminem, and real deal shit like this!
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 23, 2016 22:14:04 GMT -6
that queen thing is a knee slapper, the thing with McCartney was equally horrible, but I hear he's the voice of a generation (by his own words....), can anyone link me something this tool has done that reveals actual talent?
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 23, 2016 16:36:57 GMT -6
I got my notice, i was like...." what the heck is that?" haha
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 23, 2016 16:26:51 GMT -6
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 23, 2016 1:22:50 GMT -6
Contractors supply house, $150 a bag, I just picked up 3 bags of 2" 703 (12 piece per bag), after my last purchase of 2 bags, one of which disappeared by the time I got home( don't ask), my studio has 703, Roxul Rockboard 60, and ultra touch, Roxul sounds the best of the three with its sweet partial hi freq reflection, ultra touch really gobles up the bass, and 703 rules for lifting a ceiling to near invisibility acoustically(2" doubled up to 4")
the softer stuff works better at all frequencies if u can get it thick enough to trap low bass, the rigid stuff is worse up top than soft at about any thickness, as it reflects highs back into the room to some degree
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 22, 2016 22:01:04 GMT -6
The best thing about today is, you can have it and yesterday to a large extent, but any of the tools ranging from back in the day to today are useless in the wrong hands. Compression is utterly necessary, there is compression all over the Brown Sugar track, it may not come from "compressors" per say, but it comes in many different forms, mostly driving tape compression, but then there are transformers, tubes, and other electronics based DR stressing compression effects, gain driven guitars have so much compression, they hardly need any compression if at all come mix time.
In the digital domain, you have 0 of this, so you certainly need compression much more than back in the simple beauty analog tape days, but make no mistake about it, compressors are the single most powerful tool an AE has at their disposal, they should be called "Dynamic Eq's", some of todays sophisticated compressors in the hands of true professionals(not me), are music making machines! they actually add density, punch and dynamics, not take them away, the truth is most modern day AE's just arbitrarily smack it down and turn it up, the ratio's+reductions x the multiple stages they use on most tracks, is astonishingly over the top, totally unnecessary, and sounds objectively bad, yes objectively bad, I guarantee that if someone took the time to do a clinical study to see the average listeners biological reactions to this ubiquitous abuse, adverse reactions would prove to be the case.
BTW, the Stones tune has 10x the life of the FF tune IMO, the FF is louder, and presented as more neat and tidy, the Stones is vibey as hell, it's not even close.
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 22, 2016 8:05:10 GMT -6
Friends don't let friends use the pad on a vp28... But good friends don't let you clip! this is what i do when i see someone treating a VP28 gingerly , then I grab the input and output knobs with my left and right fingers respectively, and give a "Hiiiiiyaaaaa!" while titty twisting them inward!!!! Then I dust off and say "yerwelcome".... as I walk into the sunset to
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 21, 2016 18:02:02 GMT -6
JK, whats with the Prince banner at the top of this page? they're selling Prince calendars, Prince photo cards and other bullshit, fucking lowlifes didn't even let his body get cold before they try to monetize his death, note to self, fuck XM radio.
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 21, 2016 17:55:52 GMT -6
When i saw my first vid of Prince performing live i thought something like this: "He will beat Micheal Jackson in his coming up career. And he even plays like Jimi Hendrix. Or at least Jimi would have liked this to death..." And i don't even particularly liked what i heard from him before, it was not my style that time... He never got the fame he REALLY deserved because he did not sell his soul. He could have been the better King of Pop otherwise. A huge loss for music. Another incredible talent gone. 2016 is killing a lot of good people. Sad. He was a total natural, RIP small, he was UUUGE!!! here in the US, one of the biggest ever i'd say.
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 21, 2016 9:16:37 GMT -6
If you do not summon Sir Bob O properly, he surely will not come, well maybe he still would, but i'm surprised he bothers with us lackies at all!...... Bob Olhsson ? I would also love to hear a general rundown of what they did in the Motown days from the man himself, and also how his techniques on drum recording set ups have evolved over the years?
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 20, 2016 22:52:58 GMT -6
What about spacing these off the wall? I understand that incorporating an air gap between the wall and the panel increases the efficiency, no? When I built mine, I used rigid 703 placed on top of the frame, leaving a 1.5" air gap the width of the frame. However, 703 is not something I can buy at Lowes, which makes it kind of a pain. I love the idea of just hopping down the street to get all my materials at the hardware store for these. 2" of 703 with a 2" air gap is better than 2" of 703 right against the wall, that said, 4" of 703 directly against the wall is better than 2" with a 2" air gap. If you have a maximum distance you can come off the wall, you are better to fill it 100% with the 703, if you can't afford to fill the maximum distance off the wall, then you ad the air gap, but not for any other reason that i'm aware of.
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 20, 2016 22:14:32 GMT -6
sorry for your loss Ty...
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 19, 2016 19:19:00 GMT -6
Boooo! this is awful.
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 19, 2016 10:00:09 GMT -6
Funny, everyone seeks the old gear because the new stuff sounds better?
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 19, 2016 9:52:10 GMT -6
Well, I don't know about $500, a good capsule and tube equal that, and a mildly adjusted apex with a Chinese capsule wont touch a quality clone to my ears, I've tried and compared. I'm currently building a pair of point to points Elams, I have a pair of TC capsules, once I get them dialed as best I can, Dr Shankenstein will do his voodoo, should be interesting! I've painstakingly sourced a bunch of original parts, they make a much larger difference than most may think, it's actually a 50/50 thing I've discovered, 50% capsule/50% everything else, this is my experience, ymmv.
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