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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 17, 2016 21:33:57 GMT -6
cool, i'm about to embark on a pretty large absorber build myself, I'll be doing something similar to your idea here.
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 17, 2016 20:23:18 GMT -6
In the DAW I use the same set up "template" i've been using for 25 years mimicking a console, with all the routing to bus's, auxes, stems from the analog days, if you get into a routine that works, it makes you more efficient, so why break it? Plus the repeatability allows you to hone in on the application at hand giving you the opportunity to refine your technique, verses starting over again every time. I also assign instruments to exactly the same tracks since back then as well, and probably will until forever!!!!(long echoooo), L to R, Bass's on channel 1+, kicks on next available, snares on next avail etc..., all my effects sends, stereo subs, always routed the same way, thats why i dig PT's, because it's very console like in it's appearance IMV, and usually do all my mixing in the mix window, i about hate the edit window. I even have new PT/Lynx templates set up for my forthcoming console/hybrid situation, I can't wait to try it out for the first time, i'm sure i'll be tweaking it as i get my groove on with this new stuff, say yes to templates! 8) Say no to drugs... unless they're really good ones!
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 17, 2016 16:27:16 GMT -6
1000 time yes, mix and tracking session templates, JK, just make way more than enough channels, then make inactive and hide, then if you need them you... blah blah..
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 17, 2016 8:13:58 GMT -6
Thanks for the info on the voltage ! Another question I have is the sound. Listening to the A/B samples on the Dons site, his unit is almost the same as the vintage but I hear a bit more of an overall robust thickness that the NV73 does not have. Would this be due to the smaller transformers being used in the 500 series ? Hi ariel ! Why are you assuming they are smaller? The Carnhills in the NV73 are the same that was re engineered for the reissue of the 10-series. Interesting though is that AMS/Neve (and a couple others) don't buy them from Carnhill anymore, but instead buy them from China. There's a vivid debate about how close the re issued xformers are to the originals, along with many other components in the design. Personally I stay away from those discussions except when seeing occassional info from Geoff Tanner. I have a rack of eight AMS/Neves here along with a couple of NV73s. The two don't sound exactly the same and don't behave the same when pushed. I have no idea if it's because of the different xformers (Carnhill vs Chinese made) or the choice of resistor value on strapped on the output xformer, or/and any other part of the design, but after a couple of years of road testing I really like the NV73. Enough to have almost built 16, and getting 20(!) more on the bench next week. 10 more for me and the other 10 for a couple of friends. They'll be my portable rig and hopefully later my front end if I move to a larger studio sometime.. Holy moly! We have a winner! Out of all the rigs uve built over the past few years, ur going for 26!!!! Of the nv73, u must really dig them! P
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 17, 2016 0:53:42 GMT -6
First American Zep tour, they frequently played a medley which contained the Spirit song ‘Fresh Garbage’, which is on the same record as ’Taurus’. The claim they never heard ‘Taurus' doesn’t hold water. You have to look at it in the context of the few years between those two songs 1968-1971, and within the rock idiom. I can't think of another piece so similar, with so much of the same atmosphere and vibe. Atmosphere and vibe both being chief marketing points of popular music at the time. The argument that a suit should have happened years ago if legit is baseless. It was never filed for much the same reasons Jake Holmes took 30+ years to file on Dazed and Confused. It really doesn't matter if Randy is alive or not, his heirs/trust would have the same claim to pursue. It is entirely likely that in Jimmy's heroin haze he really doesn't remember lifting the general concept at this late date. Clearly lifting various works was much more normal at the time, and history has reframed many similar incidents since. Hell, did April Wine get sued for the various quotes in 'I Like to Rock'? I don't know, but it sure doesn't get played on classic rock radio anymore, and you’d never get away with it today. Guitar World commented on the ‘lifting’ in 1997, stating it may be Randy’s most enduring legacy. FWIW. It’s funny to me that so many feel the need to defend Led Zeppelin. They can surely defend themselves. As great as I think they are, their acknowledging of credit due is among their weakest points. you defend what you love, i see zep as a magic sound, it doesn't matter what they played, where they played, it's them monsters, thats the signature, thats the songs, thats the originality, the actual song is nothing more than an arbitrary vehicle to let them out, i actually feel sorry for people who don't like zep, it's like not liking beauty or some equally sad affair.
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 17, 2016 0:28:27 GMT -6
post a link to the recording and I'll give it a listen. they're both right here
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 17, 2016 0:26:51 GMT -6
the bass note progression is factually NOT the same, it has nothing to do with a ridiculous attack that I feel the need to be "right", it's just a simple fact, the bass notes in the 4 bar phrase of stairway descend entirely, in the classical tune they do NOT, the end. Furthermore, the unexacting similarities in the rest of the chord /picking/phrasing/progression structure, in whole, last not even till the end of the 2nd position, and less than 2 bars of the entire 4 bar stairway phrase, it wouldn't be the first time that anyone picked up an acoustic guitar and finger picked a semi descending line, and some random joe says... "hey that sounds like stairway to heaven", so AC guitar+Finger Picking/a semi descending progression of any kind=plagiarism, insert face palm here.
And Martin, just to be clear, i referred to myself as a "dumbass" to chuck in that last post, nextime read a little more carefully, if you find me so intolerable, then stop tagging, quoting, responding directly to, asking questions of, all things me, then ur problems are magically solved.
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 16, 2016 22:21:35 GMT -6
I was talking with tony about your build you sent him. he said he noticed right away somethin' really simple and small. He said the DOA sockets didn't have enough solder on 'em and were probably cold solder joints, which would explain why your build didn't work. No DOAs, no sound! I haven't heard anything since, but if that's all it was to make 'em work, you should be happy that you did a solid job on the rest of the build! So, get back to buildin'!!! JK did a pretty solid job for a just starting out noob! I went through this thing as much as i could, i reflowed the entire thing and pretty much believe it's a final output transformer issue? I was going to switch it out with one of mine, but Jeff said he'd take care of it, so I'm sending it back failing to fix the problem. For me, the most difficult thing is there is no schematic for referencing while trying to chase things down, and i'm not a good enough of an electronics guy to go beyond what i've done without one, so.... off she goes...., i am very curious to find out what the problem actually is.
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 16, 2016 20:58:30 GMT -6
@johnkenn - I have this mod on a U87ai. Sounds great. I think Max pretty much nailed it. I think this sounds like a new U67 would. Vintage parts that age change the sound. That is why I think people hear this mod as darker. On a vintage 67, as I understand it - and I'm no expert... But the aged cap that controls the high frequency roll off, as it ages, the HF sound would get brighter. The biggest factor to me is the differences in tubes. I tried some different tubes and even while comparing several of the same model tubes - each was noticeably different. I tried 4 vintage telefunken EF86 tubes and the LF and HF response was quite different on each one. One of those tubes in particular sounds SO killer in this mic. Definitely sounds like a classic U67. FWIW, the stock PF86 that Max shipped with the mic sounded excellent - better than all the EF86 tubes I tried with the exception of the one magic EF86 which I left in the mic. And it was an old used ef86 from a tape machine - but it has "that sound." Neumann was picky about tube selection - and I see why, although I'm not sure that they used telefunkens in the original u67's. With the right tube, it does not sound flat and dull to my ears. Max did an amazing job on this mod. If u don't mind throwing up a raw sample? That would be great!
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 15, 2016 19:23:15 GMT -6
Brilliant find Matt! This proves my point perfectly. In fact, this is actually much closer to Stairway's chord structure than the Spirit version. Anytime someone starts ranting about Zep and how they ripped off people, I'll just play this for them. Tony, of course those example sound quite different, but that's just the clothing put on top of the body. Structurally, the first 4 movements of the classical piece at :30 seconds is exactly the same as Stairway's main riff, exactly. The next few chords are actually substitute chords for the rest of the Zep tune, so the entire phrase is nearly identical. It's in the key of Abm, and Stairway is in Am. They're so close you could loop the first few chords and just sing the Stairway into. If I had time, I'd do it, just for fun. I'm working on music for two charity projects and don't have even a minute to spare to have a little fun. thats not what I was eluding to, but since you mention it, it is NOT exactly like it, NOT at all, you better take a listen, i can play stairway on guitar in my sleep, those are not the same notes, or intervals, and it doesn't even complete the same 4 bar phrase. here they are side by side NoFilterChuck analyze this for my dumbass with your chordie app!!
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 15, 2016 7:57:05 GMT -6
For what it's worth, these mics are really difficult to clone spot on, it doesn't mean u can't get a spectacular mic out of the deal, my C12 circuit clone is crazziballs badass! I've been at it for a while now, here are some things ive learned, Max's MKU47 is a better 47 than most originals, I have 3 of them, and one is getting some interesting mods by Dr Shannkenstein atm, should prove interesting? As far as the rest, the acoustics of the mic body/HEAD BASKET, play a much larger role than u may think, the trannys are a pita, the original make resistors, caps, tubes all play a significant role in the sound, and they are VERY hard to come by, I am building a pair of Elam "kid" and "Vybes" clones right now and have been hunting down as close to real deal nos parts as I can find, for the PSU as well, it's a tedious cat and mouse waiting game, I'll let u know how I make out.?.? A good U67 or U87 seems a bitch to duplicate from everything I've heard and read, I've honestly never heard a clone of either of these sound quite as good, as a good sample of an original.
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 14, 2016 19:47:36 GMT -6
All these pieces of music sound absurdly different from one another, I honestly thought the blurred lines thing was over the top as well, I never thought about the Marvin tune when i heard that the first time, and i'm a friggin musician! How some Jury is expected to decide on matters like this is another absurdity IMO. A hardcore rip off of a melody line in conjunction with lyrical phrasing is where the line should be drawn, the Sam ?/ Tom Petty rip was a total rip off by that standard.
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 14, 2016 15:15:16 GMT -6
Snap! Shot of the gutz!
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 14, 2016 8:35:47 GMT -6
The really short answer is, I'd do it whenever you're wiring a lot of stuff inside the box. The longer answer is, it's hard to say. It depends on the noise, the EMI/RFI fields, the installation location, the type and power of the signals, etc. If you're wiring something like an 1176, with lots of wires and high impedance audio signals, then it's almost required to use shielded cable. Got a shielded cable that you recommend...other than used snake cable? I need to extend some leads from my output transformer to a T-Pad in my Sta Level. Then from there to the resistor attenuator network. did you get the problems worked out on that thing?
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 14, 2016 8:35:04 GMT -6
I just use shielded everywhere, and i also cordon off my PS section with some ferrous metal, it's a tiny bit of extra work, and cost, but it's miniscule for the peace of mind, and resultant low noise floor, i hate PCB layouts with the PS on the same board as the audio, a daughter card is the way to go, i often wonder why i don't just build the PSU completely outside of the rig in it's own box...
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Greed
Apr 14, 2016 8:14:42 GMT -6
Post by tonycamphd on Apr 14, 2016 8:14:42 GMT -6
My Uncle Mark was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer in november 2015, less than a week later he had the Whipple surgery, 2 weeks later he was declared 100% cancer free, and a couple weeks ago he was again declared 100% cancer free, surviving pancreatic cancer is a rarity, he is currently feeling great and vacationing in Mexico!
conversely, my pal Dennis(Kidvybes) was diagnosed with liver cancer late Feb, and a month later he was gone, i miss the talks with my pal... Cancer is a total bitch, there are some serious advancements being made everyday, the may not find a cure, but I believe. they will find a way to neutralize it, much in the same way the haven't found a cure for HIV, but they have neutralized it.
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 14, 2016 7:57:13 GMT -6
Yes i know about the data sheet, on stams site he claims the use of the "THAT 2181 X if you look at the data sheet you posted, you'll see there are only 3 grades, A,B,C. So I'm wondering what "X" is? Might not X be a variable? Did every single API, SSL, Sony, Urei, Teletronix or Neve unit off the assembly line use every single exact component? I don't think so. If it was a VCA compressor? very likely, DBX was the creator of the VCA chip i believe, THAT either took over for them, or DBX was rebranding the THAT vca to begin with(can't remember..). There are a slew of VCA compressors that use the DBX/THAT vca, from aphex, ssl, dbx, api 2500 etc.. I know of no other variants of the 2181 beside A,B,C, A-spec-ing the lowest HD as the top of the line part, C spec-ing the least best HD of the 3, i'm curious as to what exactly Stam is using in this? the deal is very good, if it's true that he's using the best parts available, i'm going to buy one of these as it seems a no brainer, in the meantime, I would like to know what a 2181X VCA is?
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 14, 2016 7:32:58 GMT -6
Certainly timeliness was a big factor prior to the late '80s. It was not uncommon for a song to be on the radio within weeks of it being composed. If it was selling in the local stores, it stayed on the air. Still that's a general trend towards mediocrity. Most of the really great writers I've known are staggeringly prolific. The best of five to ten years of their songwriting before their first hit is bound to be way better than what they can come up with in just a few months to meet an album release deadline. if I understand correctly, it took J Lennon 7 years to finish writing Strawberry Fields Forever, if you check out youtube, you can find a slew of classic tunes that were apparently under construction for quite some time.
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 14, 2016 7:14:44 GMT -6
Yes i know about the data sheet, on stams site he claims the use of the "THAT 2181 X if you look at the data sheet you posted, you'll see there are only 3 grades, A,B,C. So I'm wondering what "X" is?
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 13, 2016 21:15:31 GMT -6
I would love to get a free one, who wouldn't? But I'll be happy getting the one I have on order and partially paid for. Joshua makes great stuff. Every component is the absolute best available, the circuits are exact, faithful and true, and every solder joint is solid. Can't ask for better than that! what is a THAT 2181x vca? there is no listing for a THAT "X" 2181 vca.
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 13, 2016 13:16:12 GMT -6
Beatles men were always incredibly talented imv, I'm sure Mr Martin really helped hone their talent though...
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 13, 2016 9:47:45 GMT -6
love the soundcloud pic, no kitty/bad kitty! got a hook in your gut through your shirt? cool jam btw 8)
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 12, 2016 22:55:28 GMT -6
yeah, the narration is super sibs! I'm gonna check out the rest... edit; well, that doesn't sound like my U47..., and i don't have a 251, but i'm not impressed by the sounds period, is there an official demo by Slate that show this in action? that would be about as good as they could get it id think?
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Greed
Apr 12, 2016 22:43:10 GMT -6
Post by tonycamphd on Apr 12, 2016 22:43:10 GMT -6
ok Randy, you win, i'm sure in your world the ACA is insurance "face palm"
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Greed
Apr 12, 2016 22:35:52 GMT -6
Post by tonycamphd on Apr 12, 2016 22:35:52 GMT -6
That's because they knew what shit insurance it really is and they care about their people enough to not fuck them over buying that crap. dude, it's not insurance, it's a regulation, seriously, the insurance companies are as private as they ever were.
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