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Post by ericn on Oct 19, 2023 21:21:57 GMT -6
Back in the 70's when they were touring... Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin made a deal to water the other groups plants. When the other group wasn't touring. So... This meant Roger waters Robert's plants. Chris I’ll bet he was just pissing in Robert’s Palm’er.
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Post by ericn on Oct 19, 2023 17:17:02 GMT -6
Is anything ever free... Hmm! Many are being pulled into their bundles from this stroke of genius. They do have great plugins tho. Especially for those who know the hardware, works and thinks in those terms, these tools are very valuable. Well yeah, I’m sure the price of this is contact info and some basic info. Doesn’t everyone have an email they just use for this stuff and otherwise ignore?
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Post by ericn on Oct 19, 2023 15:09:03 GMT -6
I bought one to compare to my TLM67. I know it's not a direct competitor to that microphone but figured with the modern and vintage modes I could get close. In modern mode the top end is definitely glassy and vintage is pretty close, but still a bit less soft than the TLM67. You lose a few dB of output when switching between the two modes. Biggest surprise to me was how drastic the HPF is. I think it's supposed to have the same slope starting around 400 Hz as the HPF on the U87ai and TLM67 and I guess it's accurate as far as the frequency response chart indicates in the mic's documentation, but wow does it sound VERY drastic, and much more so than the TLM67 - the signal becomes VERY thin sounding, and you lose another few dB of output when engaging the HPF. So my assessment is a good mic with lots of options especially for the price, but I found it to be rather unusable with the HPF engaged because of how much bandwidth is actually attenuated. I find the TLM67 to be a bit cloudy on my voice and in my room and was hoping this would be tilted favorably in the other direction, but this might go a bit too far for me. Not sure if I'll keep it, but was thinking about doing some pink noise tests and comparisons with the TLM that I could actually share here if people are interested. Down load an RTA App to your phone, play pink noise through the speaker and compare the response of the filter, you can pretty much compare the response of the 2 filters
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Post by ericn on Oct 19, 2023 15:06:32 GMT -6
I wonder how tube tech is reacting to these clones. Will tube tech be able to lower the price of a cl1b? I would love it if a tube tech rep became an RGO participant. I’m bored waiting for my wife to get me out of the hospital so I sent Brad Lundy an email about this thread. 😁
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Post by ericn on Oct 19, 2023 14:06:15 GMT -6
The mastering guy is not mixing the music. I'm not mixing the music for for most mastering jobs I take on. Most independent musicians cannot afford someone else to mix them, only 100-200 bucks give or take to master their record in an afternoon or evening while a proper mix might be listed at 5 to 15x that depending what they want or how poor the recording is. There's only so much you can cut them a deal before it's not worth your while to do it. There's only a stereo mix and asking the mixer (usually the musician or the producer for independent stuff) to go add a high pass filter to one thing on his mix might mess up his fader moves or what elements are working in his mix. That's even if he can recall. A lot of the time they cannot with today's cheapo prosumer analog equipment, clones, and all the bullshit with counterfeit capacitors and communist tubes crammed into 1 rack unit. If the musician mixed down the first track on a 10 track album a year ago through that some of this crap, it might not sound the same a year later when he's finished the other tracks and send the whole thing out for mastering. I neglected to mentioned I was asking about HPFing on the 2-buss for a mix not master, but good points either way. I've never had a mastering engineer ask for these kinds of adjustments so I assume my sub-lows are ballpark good. Eric's "Better safe than sorry" is as good a reason as any but I know that filters have their own potential drawbacks so was curious why the potential pros would outweigh the potential cons (as opposed to just doing it track by track). If it’s going to a real mastering engineer let them make the choice.
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Post by ericn on Oct 19, 2023 14:04:35 GMT -6
All I’m going to say is this, it all comes down to the capsule!
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Post by ericn on Oct 19, 2023 14:03:00 GMT -6
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Post by ericn on Oct 19, 2023 13:52:39 GMT -6
Johnkenn, we luv you just as you are: just sayin ! Cue the Billy Joel, but he can afford the real deal.
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Post by ericn on Oct 19, 2023 13:50:36 GMT -6
I wonder how tube tech is reacting to these clones. Will tube tech be able to lower the price of a cl1b? I would love it if a tube tech rep became an RGO participant. I forget where they are based, but my guess is since this is the first time someone cloned one of their products, lots of time on the phone with their lawyers.
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Post by ericn on Oct 19, 2023 13:48:23 GMT -6
Thanks doc I’m out this afternoon 😁 How’s the foot! Awesome!!! It's "OK". I'm seeing the doc and getting another round of X-rays next week to see if I can start learning how to walk again. . It's so freaking weird not using a leg for 12 weeks. Makes one wonder if you can even walk. LOL Yeah when I was in the chair after losing the toes to the damn infection after getting run over buy a bird scooter I had the same thought. They sent in an endocrinologist who walked into my room took one look and said “ oh boy you are a challenge.” I was like finally 😁
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Post by ericn on Oct 19, 2023 13:45:05 GMT -6
Low price cloning 101, if you can’t nail the tone bring out distinguishing factors x10 it will sell in a 10 min GC demo, not enough $ to justify a gearpimp spending any more time with the customer. And in my head I hear . . . "Shah, like yeah brah. . . . This is like Warm audio has some amazing R&D team that disassemble junk from just listening to it, and clone it totally exact and make copies for the rest of us at like 75% or maybe even half off the OG price, on God, no cap!" Warm is the wet dream of Gearpimps that have cultivated a major client base at a certain income level. About a year ago I was joking I’m waiting to see Warm do what SSL should have done a SSL 4K clone made in China at $ 9K for 24 ch. Now I’m waiting to see it.
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Post by ericn on Oct 19, 2023 13:28:30 GMT -6
We all have to remember Barney Stinson from How I Met Your mothers first rule: New is always better. When I was a kid, my mom threw out all my old comic books, including Batman #1 (yes, original) for that reason. UGH That hurts.
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Post by ericn on Oct 19, 2023 13:14:54 GMT -6
We all have to remember Barney Stinson from How I Met Your mothers first rule: New is always better.
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Post by ericn on Oct 19, 2023 13:12:58 GMT -6
Title sort of says it all. I've got one ADK Cremona 251 T-FET. I'm thinking of either getting a second or maybe sell it off and get a matched pair of the BC12A FET mics. These would be used mostly for recording piano and maybe overheads. The BC12A FET is cardioid only and the ADK has the usual three options. Anyone with experience with both mics? I know Ben makes a great CK12 capsule. The ADK is probably a tweaked K67 capsule to mimic a CK12 type sound. Honestly, I have no idea why I'm even interested in making yet another mic purchase. I'm already at about 50, but I don't have really anything that does the CK12 thing. I know Josh Seawell is selling a BC12A Tube, but if I was going with a tube, I'd rather have a C12, to get the low end bloom. I also have enough tube mics right now I think. I have always liked Bens capsules better than ADK, they have always presented more detail and in pairs a better deeper stereo presentation.
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Post by ericn on Oct 19, 2023 13:10:11 GMT -6
yikes! You to Eric! Both of you get outta the hospital!! Thanks doc I’m out this afternoon 😁 How’s the foot!
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Post by ericn on Oct 19, 2023 13:09:01 GMT -6
Not surprisingly it doesn't sound as good as the Tube-Tech but I will say it sounds much better than the examples I've heard from the Heritage unit. Couple takeaways from Warren's video... and thanks seawell for sharing. 1. A CL1b already sounds pinched (Warren says choked) but the Warm sounds even more pinched. 2. The WA1b really brings out the sibilance 3. It's the equal of the Heritage, except the Heritage doesn't bring the sibilance forward quite as much and finally, 4. They may have stolen Tube-Tech's homework, but they didn't quite nail it. That's probably going to make the CL1b even more valuable as popularity of the clones rises. Low price cloning 101, if you can’t nail the tone bring out distinguishing factors x10 it will sell in a 10 min GC demo, not enough $ to justify a gearpimp spending any more time with the customer.
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Post by ericn on Oct 19, 2023 13:00:58 GMT -6
Curious about why you're all doing this. Is this more an ITB thing? I understand the idea of getting rid of stuff most people can't hear or most systems can't reproduce, but why not do that on the channels? Most things are going to be hi-passed much higher (vocals, guitars, etc) with only a few instruments going deep down. Is there a benefit to one master HPF for the whole mix as opposed to each track getting it's own? I know when I use HPFs I pretty much end up with different points for all the low stuff (kick, bass, synths), if I'm using them at all. Is there a benefit to using both, assuming the channel's filters aren't gentle slopes starting really low? From my perspective a number of reasons. 1. Better safe than sorry 2. If I do both even less LF crap. 3. From analog days verbs and buss processing can introduce or bring back some of it.
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Post by ericn on Oct 19, 2023 12:55:51 GMT -6
Not at all, they actually get paid when they work😁 Pfffft sure! Next you'll tell me Santa Claus isn't real He was he just died in 89.
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Post by ericn on Oct 19, 2023 12:54:53 GMT -6
Thanks to EVERYBOCY so much for chiming in, I'm not going to worry about it for now. I'm a little tempted to just return it and buy a new one, but it sounds like some wear/contamination is inevitable, so may just as well save the money for future cleaning down the road. Also, I remember reading a post by Klaus that some U87ai capsules were a little bass starved because of inaccurate tensioning...this may have been in the past, though. Still, since this is the probably, to me, the best sounding U87ai (some I've heard didn't sound so hot), I should probably just leave it alone at least for now. Thanks again folks! I’m going to put this as simple as I can. If you like it keep it, use a pop filter / spit guard store it in a ziploc with a Silica pack. I use the ones that change color as they lose effectiveness because the 1 year thing makes no sense when you don’t know how long it sat on the shelf before you got it. Tim please add or correct me on any of this.
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Post by ericn on Oct 19, 2023 12:46:40 GMT -6
Always been high turnover, start ups come and go. . So, just like the music business then? Not at all, they actually get paid when they work😁
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Post by ericn on Oct 19, 2023 12:45:28 GMT -6
I will not get sucked in. I will not get sucked in. I will not get sucked in. I will not get sucked in. I will not get sucked in. I will not get sucked in. I will not get sucked in. I will not get sucked in. I will not get sucked in. I will not get sucked in. I will not get sucked in. I will not get sucked in. I will not get sucked in. I will not get sucked in. I will not get sucked in. I will not get sucked in. But we all know you will🤪
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Post by ericn on Oct 19, 2023 12:37:06 GMT -6
And already eating themselves from the inside out, software engineers are the highest percentage of layoffs this year Always been high turnover, start ups come and go. The difference is they are now unemployed long enough to file and all the tech hubs are to expensive to live on unemployment. Even if you get a severance package that you could live on for a year in Wausau WI it won’t pay rent in San Jose.
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Post by ericn on Oct 19, 2023 12:02:47 GMT -6
The tech companies are modern day pirates. At best. Loot, pillage, steal, burn down..... The problem is “tech” really means we are a new company and use computers, Uhber isn’t tech it’s a Taxi company with a pretty app and employees non CDL drivers so yeah they are cheaper, but we can skirt regulations because we call ourselves Tech. All you have to do is say algorithm and everyone thinks your the shit!
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Post by ericn on Oct 19, 2023 11:57:57 GMT -6
Nothing worse than working in the kitchen playing tunes in the apartment and all of sudden having to kill the subs! Absolutely. I'd rather kill the mastering engineer. Yeah, funny enough on Monday I was talking to this guy who was bragging about his “ Mastering” setup telling me about his B&W’s thinking I would be impressed, 800 series? Nope there cheapest little desk tops that do almonds nothing below 60hz I would be better off mastering in the Tesla🤪
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Post by ericn on Oct 19, 2023 10:56:20 GMT -6
Do like that it is 2 RU, but when a clone cuts down a piece I always worry about long term cooling. I know an empty space or vent panel is cheaper than a bigger chassis, but with the market that Low cost clones like Warm are chasing I know from experience that most are going to cram it in where it fits and not even think about it.
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