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Post by drumrec on Jan 30, 2014 19:28:34 GMT -6
I'd be really curious what you are doing with EQ, compression, and your processing in general, if you don't mind sharing. I find that a lot of drum sound really lies in the way they are mixed.. I certainly do brother. But now it's late here in Stockholm 02:30. So I have to take the bed now. But I will return rested and will be happy to respond to your thoughts about recording or whatever. Hope more put up some clips and pictures See Ya
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Post by drumrec on Jan 30, 2014 19:21:23 GMT -6
Can't wait to read this in depth later. It should probably be put in the mixing tips section of the forum rather than the gear centric part of the forum. Ahhhh ... you are so right svart! Damn, how did I miss the headline. So it is when you have too many things in the air .... but we drummers should have a better multitasking, NOOOOOT, haha! JK Heeeeeelp
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Post by drumrec on Jan 30, 2014 19:04:10 GMT -6
sounds good! thanks for sharing Thanks brother. It's a really good forum with nice vibe here at Real Gear Online. So it'll be fun to share some of what you're working on. Now I Keeps frequently looking in soundcload how to embed mp3 files in its message so you can smoothly listen to what you've uploaded. But without success so far. A bit tricky if you have to download mp3 file from dropbox to listen. Would be easier if you could just click on the forum .... will check on!
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Post by drumrec on Jan 30, 2014 17:10:58 GMT -6
The second recording session which is quite different in musical style but identical in mic up set with position, mic, pre, comp. (except Audix on toms ) . Sitting in the moment and mix the drums to an artist named " Nomy " I have played and recorded the drums and still in the demo stage and try little different drum mixes. But it 's funny how exact same mic set up, but totally different drums and a harder mix can do. Before anyone asks, no samples, pure organic drums! A tip: Now, perhaps there are many who have tried it already and I just sound like an old parrot. Usually, you probably by pure routine lowcut under snare mic just to get the sound of snare string. But try to do the other way around and boost instead at 100-240Hz with a fairly narrow Q value instead. So, you will get a pretty fat and lovely snare sound without a lot of cymbal leakage. It's very rewarding with a song like this, when you hit the cymbals pretty hard and get much cymbals leak into the snare mic. A tip for those who have not tried it yet. Cheers Håkan Hansson https%3A//soundcloud.com/drumrec-com/drumshttps%3A//soundcloud.com/drumrec-com/tutti
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Post by drumrec on Jan 30, 2014 17:08:47 GMT -6
Nope, now it's time to have a drum nerd thread! You may correct me if I have put the thread wrong, JK. Thought first post in the thread entitled "Songwriting" and "What are you working on". But is more like Guitar / Bass / Amps thread. So I put it in the "Pro Audio" until further notice, and you'll move the thread if I'm way off As some of you already know, I have a great passion for drums and drum recording. That's my job. It is not a single day without I think of how grateful and blessed to be working with something that I just love so much. So it would be fun to have a thread where we can be real nerds in drum recording. Uploading pictures on mic'ed up drum kits in the studio, at home, basement , attic, drum samples, tips and trix etc. The fun part about drum recording is that there are no rules that are right or wrong. Often you can come up with something good initially was an error with having laid the snare channel on tom channel and got an amazingly good sound of the snare or you have done something completely unconventional and it has been top notch ! So I can kick off the thread with little pics and sample from two completely different session in music style but at the same time very similar in recording set up . First song is a well-known gentleman here on the forum and his song "coat of pain" that I jammed a bit on. In this recording session, I had an old Ludwig kit . But it ended up that I switched out the bass drum against a DW 22x16 to get a bit more pressure in the bass drum in the chorus. Have been careful in the mix with compressors and have allowed ambience mics be they dominant in the mix. Session set up: BD - Beta 52 - API 3124 BD Outside - Soundelux U195 - Classic API VP26 OH Back - Coles 4038 - Classic API VP26 OH - AKG C 451 - Neve 33115 pre & Eq Snare 1 - Shure Beta 56 - API 3124 Snare 2 - Shure 57 - Classic API VP26 During snare - Audix i5 - Classic API VP26 Tom 1 - Sennheiser MD 421 (old gray one) - API3124 Tom 2 - Sennheiser MD 421 (old gray one) - API3124 Stereo Room - Ribbon - Classic API VP26 ( not used ) Room Back - Korby KAT U67 - Vintage Design CA81 Then mixing in with some outgear compressor and ITB I usually use UAD and SSL plugs. I hope that the thread will get life with many wonderful photos and great tips and trix. I will share with you what little I know about drums and drum recording if there can be any useful information. Cheers Håkan Hansson https%3A//soundcloud.com/drumrec-com/drums-1https%3A//soundcloud.com/drumrec-com/tutti-1
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Post by drumrec on Jan 26, 2014 23:12:27 GMT -6
Have tried it with a few days now and I had high expectations of it. As allbuttonmode have said before it's good on the kick and snare. But when it comes to toms, it becomes too much trial and error for my taste. Then it's a hundred times easier to do an automation instead. It would be a few more parameters to for it to be completely finished. Would like to have the side-chain channel to ignora or allow certain frequencies. Able to automate drum atom. etc. I like the plug and have no problems whatsoever with their price at $ 399. But I'll wait a bit to buy it so they can refine it a little more. Since I'm on it like a hawk
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Post by drumrec on Oct 3, 2013 17:25:18 GMT -6
For that purpose (cymbal bleed) this plugin is quite interesting! Coming in the near future .... drumatom.com/I had totally forgotten about that thing...If it works, I WANT THAT BAD... .....I second that
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Post by drumrec on Oct 3, 2013 9:28:17 GMT -6
Also having a lot of cymbal bleed. Might have to pull in another snare with Trigger to mix in. For that purpose (cymbal bleed) this plugin is quite interesting! Coming in the near future .... drumatom.com/
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Post by drumrec on Sept 17, 2013 2:20:03 GMT -6
Yee!! Sounds like you have a good set-up there bro. Looking forward to hearing it
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Post by drumrec on Sept 11, 2013 13:49:17 GMT -6
drumrec, sounds cool man!, actually sounds chambery, dark and wet. Nice job, like to hear it in context. T I do not know when the release date is yet, just recording the first few songs. But if anyone would be interested, I can post a clip later. Good description of the drum sound Tony. More ringing snare 4 the people
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Post by drumrec on Sept 10, 2013 15:47:45 GMT -6
It's true! I want to keep the midrange ringing on the snare, so I removed the worst ringing frequencies "in my opinion". Now it was not a direct revolutionary that I did. Just a little cutting and boosting for a little more body in the snare. It was much hihat sound in the snare mic that made it a little more difficult. For it was in the frequency range with some nice snare frequencies that I had to make sacrifice. But it compensates of overhead mics. Otherwise, I like when the snare has some harmonics / ringing sound. I often take away all moongel on snare when it is guitar-based music. The drums blend in better in the mix if they are a little dirtier. Sitting with such recording projects right now. So I can post some beats on big ringing snare that blends well with the song that I'm working on now for a client (unfortunately, I can not have the music with the drums). Will keep all the harmonics in the mix later and this is how it sounds when I let snare drum ring fully without moongel. This clip is very ambience / room sound ... www.dropbox.com/s/ytfq2vxgvbaatwt/Ringing%20Snare.mp3That snare sounds great ! I like the ringing of the snare . I do rock stuff and I like my drums to sound as natural as possible . The ringing helps the snare cut through guitars and have a place in the mix . Thanks mate It may sound a little strange with just the drums. But with the music, the pieces fall into place. Will post with the music when it has come out, so you get a better overall picture of the sound that I have chosen. Speaking of ringing snare......
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Post by drumrec on Sept 10, 2013 15:45:49 GMT -6
I'm probably speaking out of turn here because I'm no drummer. Hakkan is right of coarse but I know I won't have a snare that sounds anything close to what he has. So I've been layering them lately. Several different combos of sampled hits (sometimes 4 or 5 different ones to make what I want. Put em together and snap them to the grid. Then blend them in for volume. Seems to work. That's the beauty of the music today, there are so many opportunities to achieve their goals and there is no right or wrong! Now I use no samples for several reasons, while I can imagine that there are several options for you to affect the sound with so many samples. While I am more limited after tuned my drums for a special sound to any song and press rec, then there is no turning back once it is recorded! It is a time of possibilities we live in
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Post by drumrec on Sept 9, 2013 16:30:25 GMT -6
The second thing was that I really didn't hear that big of a difference in the midrange ringing, it was just a little lower. What I did hear was some kind of supplementation on the bottom end. It's true! I want to keep the midrange ringing on the snare, so I removed the worst ringing frequencies "in my opinion". Now it was not a direct revolutionary that I did. Just a little cutting and boosting for a little more body in the snare. It was much hihat sound in the snare mic that made it a little more difficult. For it was in the frequency range with some nice snare frequencies that I had to make sacrifice. But it compensates of overhead mics. Otherwise, I like when the snare has some harmonics / ringing sound. I often take away all moongel on snare when it is guitar-based music. The drums blend in better in the mix if they are a little dirtier. Sitting with such recording projects right now. So I can post some beats on big ringing snare that blends well with the song that I'm working on now for a client (unfortunately, I can not have the music with the drums). Will keep all the harmonics in the mix later and this is how it sounds when I let snare drum ring fully without moongel. This clip is very ambience / room sound ... www.dropbox.com/s/ytfq2vxgvbaatwt/Ringing%20Snare.mp3Attachments:Ringing Snare.mp3 (580.53 KB)
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Post by drumrec on Sept 8, 2013 11:15:19 GMT -6
Two more lovely clip, thanks for sharing Paul&smallbutfine! Should change the title: "Two microphones, a piano and a man / woman's soul!"
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Post by drumrec on Sept 7, 2013 17:50:00 GMT -6
Relaxes by listening to Keith Jarrett and it's like breathing fresh mountain air, enjoy!
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Post by drumrec on Sept 6, 2013 23:03:23 GMT -6
It should be easy to mix away. Send me a few bars to info@drumrec.com. So we'll see what I can do with the ringing snare Cheers /H
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Post by drumrec on Sept 6, 2013 22:11:38 GMT -6
Scum, did u mic under snare!?
/H
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Post by drumrec on Sept 6, 2013 17:56:17 GMT -6
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Post by drumrec on Sept 6, 2013 17:43:38 GMT -6
A bad or poorly tuned snare is dead ending. Snare sound is what takes the longest to get right and in my opinion the most important thing (the heart of the drum kit). I find it very difficult how to replaca snare with all the ghost hits and the different nuances. Now I do not know what kind of style it is. A tip is to have its own favorite snare in the studio, when the customer brings his own snare drum that you can not tune (some snare drum sounds crap how hard you tune them, or they will go out of tune very quickly). hmmm ... my post did not drive the elaboration forwards with your question Good luck for the next session scumbum! Cheers Håkan
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Post by drumrec on Aug 19, 2013 0:40:55 GMT -6
One thing I do when I'm writing with other songwriters and want a demo drum sketch quickly. First I make a basic drum programming and then I run with live drums with two microphones, Mide Side or Glyn Johns micing. This will give life in your simple drum programming in a fast way. So my advice is, buy a cheap drum kit (Bd, Sd, HH). You need not be a master of the drums to get a little ghost notes. Then you overdrive your live drumming a little and you're done! quick and fun Cheers /H
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Post by drumrec on Aug 16, 2013 20:50:38 GMT -6
That was good news.....looks awesome
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Helios
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Post by drumrec on Aug 15, 2013 15:07:54 GMT -6
Beautiful console, Beautiful chair
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Post by drumrec on Aug 12, 2013 8:51:26 GMT -6
Ha ha .. I hear you and agree! Every time I switch to the new heads, it's like saying goodbye to an old friend. Then you sit there with new heads and tuning drums after every take in the few Days, before new heads have found the tone. I usually take sandpaper and gently grinds away the grit layer on Ambassador Coated, especially on the snare if you're going to play with brushes. Maybe it's a little drum nerd! but it helps
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Post by drumrec on Aug 9, 2013 23:19:35 GMT -6
Just got my Great River PWM compressor! Cant wait to get some signal through it! Waiting on my 51x rack :-( View AttachmentAs we would say in Sweden, Mumsfilibabba=Nice/Me Want! Then we expect a review
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Post by drumrec on Aug 9, 2013 22:21:00 GMT -6
Dr. Gadd .... Maestro...maestro! He is one of my biggest inspiration. Remember when I was a teenager and copped Steve Gadd style of Chick Corea vinyl, funny time! If you liked the drum sound you'll probably like Steve's sound on Steely Dan-Aja. Is a little different drummers on the album, but it's a nice, dry sound
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