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Post by drumrec on Feb 23, 2014 6:11:30 GMT -6
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Post by drumrec on Feb 22, 2014 16:24:01 GMT -6
Ok, I'll give up one of my tricks. Grab a SDC or sensitive dynamic, preferably hypercardiod. Instead of putting the mic under the snare, find the air hole in the shell and place the mic at a 45deg angle pointing at the hole. Move it back about 1 inch away from the hole and out of line of the air puff. This will give you the best "snares" sound without needing a whole lot of EQ. Tested your mic up idea svart on cowboycoalminer song projects here at RGO. Now I do not know if is exactly as you explained (send a photo) but I tweaked and listened until it sounded good. I tested both with the Sennheiser MD441 and vintage Sennheiser MD421. But thought it sounded best with a SM57. The sad part is that I will soon have to buy a lunchbox with preamps just for the snare drum, haha! Will probably hook up u jsteiger and expand with lunchbox with VP28 in the future, wonderful preamps! Thanks 4 tips bro https%3A//soundcloud.com/drumrec-com/75-bpm-6-8
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Post by drumrec on Feb 22, 2014 15:23:35 GMT -6
I know what Hakan is saying. The only problem is the two original performances (vocals and piano) were done by folks at the church. I didn't record those they were sent me. I know there will be an attachment to the vocal as it is the Pastors daughter. Not sure about the piano though. My guess is it's someone in the church who is close to the family. These are land mines that we may have to face with this and do the best we can. I don't have an update on the boys condition yet but I do know time is against us. Plus I like JK, I have been absolutely slammed lately. Need all the help I can get. Thanks Okidoki, I understand! An idea cowboycoalminer! Send me the vocals and piano track, and I'll see what I can do (for I suppose Hendge has laid the base after the the drum track). Then can MJB add his magic touch after I've checked over vocal & piano. Would be nice if you could send them now, for the coming week I am busy in the drum studio and very little time! Is it a good idea!? Thanks
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Post by drumrec on Feb 22, 2014 6:36:35 GMT -6
Here's an updated file with Acoustic and Drums. If I could get henge to do the bass, then I'll post another update so some lead stuff can be added. Thanks for doing this guys. It will mean so much to these folks. db.tt/IzEu6cyqGreat! Let's me try the WA76 on Bass!! Great, this is a listening file on drums (I dont know if u can download from soundcload) Shall ensure that there is a link to dropbox so you can download the drums 24bit https%3A//soundcloud.com/drumrec-com/drums-percDROPBOX 24bit www.dropbox.com/s/37f1alv9zgaelrs/Daniel%27s%20Song-Drums%26Perc.wav
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Post by drumrec on Feb 21, 2014 23:46:23 GMT -6
Here's an updated file with Acoustic and Drums. If I could get henge to do the bass, then I'll post another update so some lead stuff can be added. Thanks for doing this guys. It will mean so much to these folks. db.tt/IzEu6cyqHi Brother! Now, dont get me wrong and think I want to be a smartass. I really want it to be as good as possible with Daniel's song and it feels natural and an honor to help! But, I thought the song would be rebuilt after the drums were recorded with solid foundation with bass and then the other instruments from there. So I did a little clip edits on the master file (as I wrote in your email herbie) where the tempo increased a little. But now when I listen to mix 2, it's the same backround and added guitar and the tempo gets pretty weird. So before several hang up their instruments, I think first that "Henge" adds bass to the drums (perhaps with new support piano / vocals) and builds from there. Otherwise the song become fragile as a house of cards. I'm really a humble person and just want it to be as good as possible, so do not perceive this as some smartass vibe, thanks Kind Regards /H.Hansson
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Post by drumrec on Feb 21, 2014 18:43:12 GMT -6
Usually hats have small range of peaks in the frequency range. Use a very narrow Q boost to sweep around and find the loudest one and cut it. Absolutely, but I still think it destroys 2 much of the sound of the snare drum if you cut out too much hihat frequency. So there are no shortcuts, play more gently on hihat
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Post by drumrec on Feb 21, 2014 18:31:12 GMT -6
I had always been told that in a live situation the smaller hats were preferred because they tended to cut through more, bigger were a bit smoother. It's true! Live situations, I use a little more bright hihats and cymbals as they cut through the sound wall (of course depending what style of music). But in the studio recording I choose the other way around the dark cymbals so it will be more pleasant and easier to mix the drums.
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Post by drumrec on Feb 21, 2014 17:56:27 GMT -6
Meinl Byzance Vintage Series does not take over too much when recording, though you hit pretty hard. Then you can give the drummer thinner drumsticks in the right hand, usually work! Then I watched some producers put on electric collars that send electrical impulses if the drummer comes across a particular db. But those first two proposals is to recommend /H
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Post by drumrec on Feb 18, 2014 17:54:07 GMT -6
Let me know if I can be of any help Herbie! You may have already played the drums Jesse Coutu!? But as I said, is there anything I can help with, I do it.
Kind Regards Håkan Hansson
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Post by drumrec on Feb 13, 2014 6:04:01 GMT -6
Ok, I'll give up one of my tricks. Grab a SDC or sensitive dynamic, preferably hypercardiod. Instead of putting the mic under the snare, find the air hole in the shell and place the mic at a 45deg angle pointing at the hole. Move it back about 1 inch away from the hole and out of line of the air puff. This will give you the best "snares" sound without needing a whole lot of EQ. Hi Svart! Thought to try your trick to tomorrow recording. A question? 45deg angle pointing at the air hole in the shell. Do you mean 45deg from below or from above seen? Should work well with a Sennheiser 441 I believe. Thanks H-Hansson
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Post by drumrec on Feb 5, 2014 18:43:50 GMT -6
Lovely drum sound nobtwiddler . Less is more like Always Cheers
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Post by drumrec on Feb 5, 2014 18:38:54 GMT -6
Ok, I'll give up one of my tricks. Grab a SDC or sensitive dynamic, preferably hypercardiod. Instead of putting the mic under the snare, find the air hole in the shell and place the mic at a 45deg angle pointing at the hole. Move it back about 1 inch away from the hole and out of line of the air puff. This will give you the best "snares" sound without needing a whole lot of EQ. Sounds like an awesome idea. can u upload a pic when you have mickat up snare drum on that way, I'm curious Cheers Mate
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Post by drumrec on Feb 5, 2014 10:14:44 GMT -6
I've tried so many times to mic overheads with ribbons. It always just seems so dark, even though the tone is very even. It can work well with open mixes but in dense mixes the attack of the drums get so lost. Try as I have done on them recordings that I've posted here. Condenser as overhead and a pair of ribbon mics just behind the drums. This will give you better choices in the mix
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Post by drumrec on Feb 5, 2014 10:12:32 GMT -6
Hakan, Yep it's a 30 inch... 1929 Radio King Marching drum, that I had cleaned up, and added legs so that it could be used as a kick. Found in a local antiques store about ten years ago. Been using it ever since! I love it. Yeeee ...awesome! It's especially fun when you find new things that you get a unique and personal sound off, just wonderful! Now, I was inspired to dust off the big drums, haha! Thanks for sharing nobwiddler
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Post by drumrec on Feb 5, 2014 9:57:10 GMT -6
Simple set up....Amazing sound Kick - U47 Helios, Snare - KM84 Helios, Over Floor - Coles 4038 Helios Over Snare - Coles 4038 Helios Stereo Room, Royer SF-12 Helios Now we talking! Must be a 28 "or 30" bass drum!? Those Coles 4038 is pure love every time you hear them after recording. Lovely setup nobtwiddler:)
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Post by drumrec on Feb 2, 2014 6:57:46 GMT -6
How about that ADR? Any uses other than drums? You can use ADR to all possible sources. It's just about how much you feed the input to the beast. You could say that it is old 1176 with steroids! Cheers /H
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Post by drumrec on Feb 1, 2014 12:05:45 GMT -6
drumrec, what do you use for buss compression? Hi Jesse! What I use on the drum bus is an Audio Design F760X-RS (Helios). It is not compex model but the older model with the Helios cards. Then it goes to a stereo pair of Neve 33115 EQ. But sometimes I'm lazy and mixes itb. Had a vintage "ADR F760X-RS Compex" which I just loved. Then I came across the unusual older model with Helios cards. It was love at first moments. I really enjoyed my adr compex, but this old helios model knocks out compex in sound. Do you see such a treasure so buy it right away, it will serve you well. Saw that they have started to produce a new ADR Compex models, might be something!? What interesting tipps Dan Deurloo had. I had the old DBX 160VU, but traded it to a Tube-Tech CL1B. Since then I missed it a little. Saw DIY model AC Sound had, interesting! Can post the picture on my second love after my wife;)
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Post by drumrec on Feb 1, 2014 0:41:16 GMT -6
Don't get me wrong, I like the results. Usually when I have that many plugins I have something wrong, but you're doing something right. Of course not monkeyxx, I laugh myself to the long channel loaf with plugs, insane This is not regular basis, it becomes like this. But it requires little processing on the bass drum should come through the wall of guitars in heavier music. I had decided to get to it without samples. Since I like to crafting sound a bit here and there. As in this case, I have the gate in several steps to make it nicely in the end. Some drum mixes, it's just a couple of mics and a little eq and a komressor which makes the overall sound. In this clip, it is almost straight opposite of channel loaf with plugs! Cheers brother https%3A//soundcloud.com/drumrec-com/old-ludwig-kit-tracking
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Post by drumrec on Jan 31, 2014 23:37:37 GMT -6
wow, that's crazy! I've never thought about using that many plugins on one drum mic Ha ha....Sorry!
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Post by drumrec on Jan 31, 2014 23:12:55 GMT -6
Absolutely beautiful recording. Can you explain a little more on your double OH technique? I assume a lot of the sound up front is coming from there? Thanks btreim Yes, it all started as a coincidence (like most things). I have my coles standing behind the drums just for to be able to switch quickly overhead, depending on what I'm recording. But one recording session was both overhead pairs connected. Then I listened, it sounded awesome. Since then, I always have my Coles as two elephant ears behind the drums. You get so much body of the drums in Coles mics. So you could say short that akg overhead mics is the sky and the air and coles mics are rock & ground, I recommend trying it! Cheers /H
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Post by drumrec on Jan 31, 2014 22:59:08 GMT -6
Ok, I hear it now. It sounded a bit more even in the mix and it has that kind of *poof* sound to it that you get when you put multiple samples together. Interesting. It had me fooled! And thanks for the studio compliment. I wish I had more space for the tracking room. I would have loved high ceilings and all that but I've tuned it pretty well, I think, and I don't have any problems getting a good clean sound out of it. I like the block wall, it's an interesting texture and it's not bad for audio at all. Exactly, this is just cloes mic in bd. Then when you begin adding Soundelux (Bd ambience) mike and the rest of the room mics and mangles them into the drum bus, then the party starts! Yes, I think it is brilliant to have the stone in the drum room. It will be so fun to build the studio end of the year. I thought your recording room looked pretty big. At the same time, it works with most recording room. You may use the room's strengths and have some crazy imagination so you will always find its sweet spot Cheers / H
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Post by drumrec on Jan 31, 2014 21:33:10 GMT -6
Yeah sounds good. That kick on the second song sounds totally replaced though.. Hey svart! Sending off a quick sample and explains cloes BD until I get more time to explain the rest. I skipped it to split bd to two channels. It is perfectly possible to do it without duplicating. Had the hard plastic beater to the bass drum. Have looped a party of bd and after each new loop, it is a new plug added (you see in the picture that I send). This will give you a ide what i did with to the sound of close mic bd mic. Then I put the BD ambience to enlarge bd sound and then you can make the bass drum how powerful and big with room mics and the other ambience mics. But this is only cloes mic so far. Shure Beta 52 - API - Vintage Helios compressor. Since ITB channel as I show here. Have compressor / limiter on the drum bus channel. Hope there was something helpful b.t.w what a beautiful studio you have. Will build a large studio end of the year 80sqm and 4 m in height and then we had planned to have brick in the studio. Saw that you had it in your tracking room, nice https%3A//soundcloud.com/drumrec-com/nomy-bd
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Post by drumrec on Jan 31, 2014 8:27:33 GMT -6
Hey, I recognize that song. Absolutely wonderful song cowboycoalminer. Well done maestro
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Post by drumrec on Jan 31, 2014 8:25:42 GMT -6
Hey drumrecIn the Nomy track, it opens with a big roll and I can tell you're a good hitter but is that a bottom snare mic you're pulling up for the roll on that track? Reason I ask is that in those situations the snare for me loses a lot of the personality I want it to have that I'm hearing on your track. Hi Jordan! I can go through what I've done when I come to the studio with the mix. But what I can say now is that it is the snare that I ALWAYS use when I tracking metal / punk. It is a Ludwig hammered bronze snare drum with controlled sound X and pure sound snare wire extra wide, wonderful sound! Will return bro ....
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Post by drumrec on Jan 31, 2014 8:20:59 GMT -6
Yeah sounds good. That kick on the second song sounds totally replaced though.. Hi Svart! Nope, there is not any replacement here and I go happily through how I did it. Now I'm not the guy who is totally opposed to replacement. I see everything that makes the end result better as more colors in the palette. But recently there has been more or less a rule to throw on the sample in a little heavier music styles, type this with Nomy. So maybe a bit of pride as a drummer and curious as mixers, I want to get to it without samples. I'm not in the studio now and can take up the channels so you can hear and see what I've done (fix it later today). But just as important as the mix then it's probably even more important how you play, and tuned drums. What I do when I play into heavier music is to separate the drums more apart and brought up the cymbals. With it, you have reduced half cymbal leakage in cloes mics. Another good tipps and that can be good for those of you who are producers and have a metal band in the studio. For we all know that it's never fun to sit down with a drum mix where the drummer has hit the cymbals as if it were the last thing he / she does in life. You ask them nicely to hit looser on the cymbals and then says (inclusing myself) "Then I do not get the right feeling." A good idea then is to take a thinner drumsticks in your right hand and a thicker in the left. When I come into play heavier music I run at 7A in the right hand and 5B or 2B in left, voilà…problem solved! What I know before I take up the drum arrangement in the studio is that I had Beta 52 in bd and through API 3124 and a touch of an old vintage Helios compressor before it ended up on the hard drive. Then I double the canal into the mix and divides it into a high and low bd. Then bd ambience mic a little further out than the picture. Had a sweet spot where I liked. But damn it, I have a video clip that I sent to my friends as a Christmas greeting. I sat and recorded on Christmas Eve half Nomys songs and it's just this song that I worked with. So I put it here so you can see how high I have the cymbals and the separation of the drums Will be back with more info when I'm in the studio. Cheers H
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