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Post by notneeson on Jun 29, 2019 9:24:51 GMT -6
Hope to not take this too off topic, but this is a good point. I've had the UAD 224 for years. I have all but about 10 UAD plugs. Do I really need two more verbs and are they really completely different animals than all the others I already have? I have a similar question: I have the UAD EMT 250 and the UAD Lexicon 224 along with Waves Trueverb, Rverb and the Abbey Road Chambers. What does the UAD EMT 140 plugin add that would make it worth the cost to me? Do you already have a IR verb with an EMT 140 impulse? Can do a lot with just that.
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Jun 29, 2019 9:34:36 GMT -6
Hope to not take this too off topic, but this is a good point. I've had the UAD 224 for years. I have all but about 10 UAD plugs. Do I really need two more verbs and are they really completely different animals than all the others I already have? I have a similar question: I have the UAD EMT 250 and the UAD Lexicon 224 along with Waves Trueverb, Rverb and the Abbey Road Chambers. What does the UAD EMT 140 plugin add that would make it worth the cost to me? I would demo it and try it out. It's usually on an Aux in my projects and gets used for various sources.
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Post by sirthought on Jun 29, 2019 12:13:16 GMT -6
I've had the UAD 224 for years. I have all but about 10 UAD plugs. Do I really need two more verbs and are they really completely different animals than all the others I already have? The $399 bundle is the way to go if you're going to do it, but I just can't bring myself to checkout. The Chambers, API 2500, 480L and Moog collection. Maybe it's the downside of having a full hybrid setup. I feel like I need these four and I feel like I just don't for the money. I have a Quad and two Octos, so it's not about being afraid to jump in. Conflicted with one day to decide! Nah, you are not going to elevate your game that much. It's very subjective. I bought the Capitol Chambers and it's really lovely and a special product. But most people have something giving them professional results. Plus, there are a ton of sources online to get some quality IRs for free. No, they're not the same, but the point is you can work with them and get a good sound. If I already had owned the Lexicon I doubt I would have bought Chambers. I wanted the AMS too but UAD stuff just costs too much for me most of the time, so I bought Waves H-Verb, and now if I want Peter Gabriel drum reverb, I use that!
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Post by viciousbliss on Jun 29, 2019 13:24:28 GMT -6
Finally got a replacement for my defective satellite. New one works perfectly. Initially I wasn’t going to try this, but I figured I would. It’s really in a league of its own. Really helps sm7 vocals recorded with no insert plugins in a bedroom. More than anything else it blends with the voice and adds echoes that don’t detract. Extremely natural sounding. The only other reverb plugin that comes close on vocals is Transatlantic Plate. But it’s sometimes not even close. For instruments, it’s more up in the air. To me, CC sounds a lot better than the UAD 480 as a vocal reverb.
Also tried the ATR-102 and liking it better than Satin now. It has more vibe and sounds more even. I had to modify some workflow stuff with my Octo missing. Started using Sonnox Dynamics and had to ditch using Tverb with pre-fader sends. The UAD 1176 Rev A is much more powerful than using the Slate vintage blue with their 73 pre before it. The UAD stuff is so powerful that it’s easy to go overboard. That’s what I felt was happening when using the UAD SSL bus compressor instead of the Duende V6 i got in a trade the other day.
Hoping I can borrow the money for the bundle once I put my faderport 8 up for sale. After the 102 and CC, I’m not sure what else. The LA2A, 2500, Shadow Hills, or SSL bus maybe. Or Softube Vocoder. I already have the Distressor, DFC, RMX16, 480, 224, Ocean, Helios, 1176, and 610b.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 29, 2019 18:05:47 GMT -6
Thought I had beaten down the urge...but the urge is strong.
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Jun 29, 2019 19:20:34 GMT -6
I've had the UAD 224 for years. I have all but about 10 UAD plugs. Do I really need two more verbs and are they really completely different animals than all the others I already have? The $399 bundle is the way to go if you're going to do it, but I just can't bring myself to checkout. The Chambers, API 2500, 480L and Moog collection. Maybe it's the downside of having a full hybrid setup. I feel like I need these four and I feel like I just don't for the money. I have a Quad and two Octos, so it's not about being afraid to jump in. Conflicted with one day to decide! Nah, you are not going to elevate your game that much. It's very subjective. I bought the Capitol Chambers and it's really lovely and a special product. But most people have something giving them professional results. Plus, there are a ton of sources online to get some quality IRs for free. No, they're not the same, but the point is you can work with them and get a good sound. If I already had owned the Lexicon I doubt I would have bought Chambers. I wanted the AMS too but UAD stuff just costs too much for me most of the time, so I bought Waves H-Verb, and now if I want Peter Gabriel drum reverb, I use that! Seriously, that is helpful info. Thanks!
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Post by viciousbliss on Jun 30, 2019 14:45:39 GMT -6
Doesn’t look like I’ll be able to do the bundle. It’s possible to get results that are like 90-95% on par with Capitol using other stuff like Sonsig or the 224, it just takes a lot more effort. Depends on the song too. Capitol Chambers is way more instantly gratifying than anything else I’ve been trying. That’s the way most of the UAD stuff is, makes you work a lot less.
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Post by wiz on Jul 1, 2019 16:22:18 GMT -6
What is the cheapest way for me to get this plug in?
i run Mac/logic... I have noUAD hardware.
Is it worth it? I am thinking of it in terms of buying a hardware box... price vs performance.
cheers
Wiz
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Post by kcatthedog on Jul 1, 2019 16:35:20 GMT -6
You can’t buy it with no hardware so that is the rub.
Cheapest option would be to find a ua solo card , one chip and buy the one plug but at $350 list, it makes more sense to buy a 3+1 bundle, you pick 4 plug ins for $399 and buy a more powerful card.
Used quads are $450 ish, used octo’s $750 ish.
The first option will cost you around $500 all in, getting a used octo and the 3+1 deal will be around $1200: with a quad around $900.
Pick your poison, I’d say get the octo for the 8 chips so you can stretch out and look hard at ua 5+2 deal and 10+3 deal: more money but great deals .
Wild card option: Vintage King just launched a trade in any interface for apollo X, the X has 6 chips and best apollo sound, you can check your current interface’s value online. if you were at the card table, you’d be figuring the odds: crunch those ua option numbers and see what works best?
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Post by wiz on Jul 1, 2019 16:40:39 GMT -6
You can’t buy it with no hardware so that is the rub. Cheapest option would be to find a ua solo card , one chip and buy the one plug but at $350 list, it makes more sense to buy a 3+1 bundle, you pick 4 plug ins for $399 and buy a more powerful card. Used quads are $450 ish, used octo’s $750 ish. The first option will cost you around $500 all in, getting a used octo and the 3+1 deal will be around $1200: with a quad around $900. Pick your poison, I’d say get the octo for the 8 chips so you can stretch out and look hard at ua 5+2 deal and 10+3 deal: more money but great deals . Wild card option: Vintage King just launched a trade in any interface for apollo X, the X has 6 chips and best apollo sound, you can check your current interface’s value online. if you were at the card table, you’d be figuring the odds: crunch those ua option numbers and see what works best? I have an iMac. i looked at vintage king.... they are trading just UA interfaces couldn’t find others cheers Wiz
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 1, 2019 16:44:29 GMT -6
What is the cheapest way for me to get this plug in? i run Mac/logic... I have noUAD hardware. Is it worth it? I am thinking of it in terms of buying a hardware box... price vs performance. cheers Wiz Looks like the big sale has been extended until July 8th. You could buy a used Satellite and then do the 4 for $399
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Post by stratboy on Jul 1, 2019 17:00:19 GMT -6
What is the cheapest way for me to get this plug in? i run Mac/logic... I have noUAD hardware. Is it worth it? I am thinking of it in terms of buying a hardware box... price vs performance. cheers Wiz I’ve seen used FireWire Duos on Reverb for $250 and up. If your Mac doesn’t have FW, USB3 or TBolt/FW converters are cheap.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jul 1, 2019 17:06:07 GMT -6
I’ll look for the trade in link as I saw it yesterday.
UA also just expanded its double down program so you could buy an new X, then buy an Octo and get a free bundle deal:
Universal Audio’s Apollo X Double Down Promo has been extended and now includes the UAD-2 OCTO DSP Accelerator. When you purchase a second Apollo X, Apollo Twin MkII or a UAD-2 OCTO DSP Accelerator within 30 days of registering your first Apollo X, Apollo Twin or UAD-2 OCTO, you'll receive a custom bundle of up to 10 UAD plug-ins of your choice.
The number of plug-ins you’ll receive depends on the interface/accelerator you purchase, but it is possible to earn up to 10 UAD plug-ins (up to a $3290 value) for free! Check out the chart below to see how many plug-ins you can get with the purchase of your second Universal Audio interface or accelerator.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jul 1, 2019 17:08:54 GMT -6
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Post by wiz on Jul 1, 2019 18:06:13 GMT -6
Thanks everyone for the quick replies
I wouldnt get rid of my Motu 16A and its not on that list anyways... but thanks for the link.
The secondhand firewire interface is an idea as I have a TB to FW adapter cable already.
The other thing is I can get a new Twin MK11 Duo, for about 800USD atm here in OZ.... I wonder how successfully it would aggregate with my 16A? That would give me a couple of the unison preamps to futz about with....
cheers
Wiz
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Post by hio on Jul 1, 2019 18:35:46 GMT -6
As I said at that other place. I use my Apollo Twin USB mainly as some kind of glorified and chameleonic type preamp with it's Unison plugs and instruments.
I run its outputs right into another set of converters for the lowest latencies and through my custom DAW for monitoring. I can run drums, softsynths and the whole kit and caboodle this way.
I can also run a boatload of plugs when tracking where with just a few tweaks I can say print, it sounds that good.
I've been allergic to latency since birth and 64 buffers is my upper limit, anything more than that just doesn't cut the mustard for me. I have an octo and quad in the studio as well which just spoils me, man it has gotten easy.
Back in the day...
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Post by kcatthedog on Jul 1, 2019 18:36:28 GMT -6
You’ll get frustrated with a duo: just sayin. Cat5 is selling an unused but 1.5 year old 8 and 16 blackface both arecquads. Do you have tbolt on your iMac?
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Post by kcatthedog on Jul 1, 2019 18:38:09 GMT -6
As I said at that other place. I use my Apollo Twin USB mainly as some kind of glorified and chameleonic type preamp with it's Unison plugs and instruments. I run its outputs right into another set of converters for the lowest latencies and through my custom DAW for monitoring. I can run drums, softsynths and the whole kit and caboodle this way. I can also run a boatload of plugs when tracking where with just a few tweaks I can say print, it sounds that good. I've been allergic to latency since birth and 64 buffers is my upper limit, anything more than that just doesn't cut the mustard for me. I have an octo and quad in the studio as well which just spoils me, man it has gotten easy. Back in the day... You are double converting for lowest latency ?? Why are you not just tracking with UA console ?
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Post by hio on Jul 1, 2019 18:51:36 GMT -6
Great question ambassador, but a very long story. You, RME and Reaper are my friends.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 1, 2019 19:57:40 GMT -6
They might have gotten me with the extension...
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Post by kcatthedog on Jul 1, 2019 20:07:50 GMT -6
Hard to say no !
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Post by lordalvin on Jul 2, 2019 12:38:37 GMT -6
I love a lot of plug-in reverbs, but I feel like reverb is one of those few things we can use to set ourselves apart in a time when we all have access to the same tools. Certain engineers, producers and studios are famous for their unique reverb sound. I have always wanted to work at Capitol simply because I wanted to use their chambers. It seems like selling that sound to everyone makes it a little less special. Just a thought. I was down in Muscle Shoals a while back and had the opportunity to visit several classic studios. It blew my mind that every one of them had stopped using their chambers. Most of them were used storage rooms now. What a loss. The Muscle Shoals sound lived in those chambers.
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Post by hio on Jul 2, 2019 14:44:44 GMT -6
IMHO the CC Reverb won't translate well for most mixes.
Sure it sounds velvety smooth acapella and with a few sparse instruments allocated to their corners but I will ride this one out like the 480L for different reasons.
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Post by stratboy on Jul 2, 2019 15:43:11 GMT -6
You’ll get frustrated with a duo: just sayin. True, if you want more plugins, but a Duo will run CC at 64% of one chip and you have the other for comps or EQs or even a EMT140 and a 224, both of which are relatively low load. Uaudio support publishes a DSP load chart that’s helpful when figuring this out. Think of it like a Bricasti with five ‘verbs for $200 (latest Duo price on Reverb) +$399 = $599. Not bad!!
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Post by kcatthedog on Jul 2, 2019 16:03:30 GMT -6
I don’t disagree was just trying to highlight options, the most shortsighted decision people make is not getting more dsp the first time: always cheaper in the long run with UA once you have drunk the koolaide !
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