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Sept 6, 2018 17:57:42 GMT -6
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Post by Quint on Sept 6, 2018 17:57:42 GMT -6
I'm pretty sure it's backed by UA, so everyone is doing it. I'd have to ask SW to make sure. After the $975 trade in for my SF16, I could finance the remaining $2525 for $53/mo, so not bad. After the release info officially came out, I was pretty meh on the new Apollos. But: Motu 16a + SF Quad - SF16 = around $1500 And x16 - SF16 trade in = $2500 IF the conversion is actually that much better on the x16, I might actually consider doing this for the extra $1000. And it's not like I'd kick the extra two DSPs out of bed. Are the new Apollos exactly what I was hoping for? No. But John you have kind of gotten me thinking about just how much better the conversion may be on the x16. Those specs are pretty impressive and Gannon was even talking about two different clocks in that video. Maybe UA finally got the message about better conversion? The new higher price of $3500 for x16 has me wondering about that. Drew on the UAD forum confirmed that the price increase on the x16 was primarily due to conversion upgrades. He also confirmed that the Apollo Xs have new FPGAs in them so, while I'm certainly not holding my breath, it's possible that the new FPGA has greater capacity to accommodate upgrades and better routing in Console somewhere down the road.
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Sept 6, 2018 19:02:36 GMT -6
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Post by indiehouse on Sept 6, 2018 19:02:36 GMT -6
I think it’d be sweet if they put out an x16 without dsp for $1000 less, maybe throw in a headphone amp. I’d be down for that.
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Sept 6, 2018 19:04:58 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 6, 2018 19:04:58 GMT -6
Will 6 sharc chips provide enough ua dsp for your tracking needs ?
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Sept 6, 2018 19:14:58 GMT -6
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Post by Quint on Sept 6, 2018 19:14:58 GMT -6
Will 6 sharc chips provide enough ua dsp for your tracking needs ? I really wanted an Octo Apollo, so whether it's four or six cores, neither necessarily is ideal. Oddly enough, it has become less about the DSP due to the notion of a trade in deal coupled with potentially better conversion. I wouldn't even be considering this were it not for the trade in deal and apparent indicators that maybe the conversion really has taken a big step up. We'll see after reports on sound start coming out.
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Sept 6, 2018 19:25:26 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 6, 2018 19:25:26 GMT -6
I just meant only onboard apollo dsp is available for tracking. It and satalite dsp are both available for mixing. Since 16 has no on board pres, you can’t use the unison slot in console, but can load unison pres in the 4 slots below the unison slut but you have no unison pre features. So, 16 has 6 chips for ua plugs for tracking but are they dedicated to only 6 channels in console and does that work for you ? Just thinking out loud not being critical !
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Sept 6, 2018 19:26:07 GMT -6
Post by jtc111 on Sept 6, 2018 19:26:07 GMT -6
Will 6 sharc chips provide enough ua dsp for your tracking needs ? I really wanted an Octo Apollo, so whether it's four or six cores, neither necessarily is ideal. The new chips provide 50% more processing power so six new chips is like nine of the old chips ...more than an octo.
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Post by Quint on Sept 6, 2018 19:28:57 GMT -6
I really wanted an Octo Apollo, so whether it's four or six cores, neither necessarily is ideal. The new chips provide 50% more processing power so six new chips is like nine of the old chips ...more than an octo. They mean 50% more, as in 6 chips is 50% more DSP than 4 chips. Same Sharc chips as before. Just two more of them.
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Sept 6, 2018 20:19:26 GMT -6
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Post by Drew @ UA on Sept 6, 2018 20:19:26 GMT -6
I really wanted an Octo Apollo, so whether it's four or six cores, neither necessarily is ideal. The new chips provide 50% more processing power so six new chips is like nine of the old chips ...more than an octo. No, same chips, just 2 more of them.
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Post by jtc111 on Sept 6, 2018 21:10:52 GMT -6
The new chips provide 50% more processing power so six new chips is like nine of the old chips ...more than an octo. No, same chips, just 2 more of them. Ahh.. I totally misunderstood that. The language seems a bit misleading to me. "...plus all-new HEXA Core processing — yielding 50% more DSP for running UAD Powered Plug-Ins in real time. "
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Sept 6, 2018 22:46:25 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2018 22:46:25 GMT -6
i don't know if this has been covered yet, is the new x model compatible
to run with the older silver and black models for more channel in / outs ?
I remember the Apollo twin mk11 could not be run the 16 black model but could with the 8.
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Sept 7, 2018 0:30:30 GMT -6
Post by Drew @ UA on Sept 7, 2018 0:30:30 GMT -6
Yup, all works together.
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Sept 7, 2018 1:20:28 GMT -6
Post by javamad on Sept 7, 2018 1:20:28 GMT -6
I got excited for a moment when Gannon said speaker calibration .. I thought there was an EQ curve on outputs coming but no .. it's just levels when doing surround. Pity, I'd like to get rid of that nasty bump at 65Hz in my room and I can't fit any more bass traps in unless I start moving instruments out :-)
I tried the Sonarworks and while it works on the stereo output because I do summing, I need an EQ curve on all outputs. The "put a plugin on each output group" solution means I will continually forget to take it off at bounce-time plus it means that reference tracks from Spotify, etc. don't get the same EQ curve so it's not really a solution.
The trade in deal looks interesting, I wonder how long it will last? Right now all $$ is going to microphones so I don't see myself getting any new Apollos for at least 6 months. The +24 dbu level would be great with my RND 5060 because when driven it clips my BF Apollo and I have to back off the master fader.
Edit: I don't see the trade-in deal on Thomann (Germany), SX Pro (UK) or Funky Junk (UK) ... is there going to be trade-ins outside the US? Drew @ UA
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Sept 7, 2018 4:00:23 GMT -6
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Post by jcoutu1 on Sept 7, 2018 4:00:23 GMT -6
I got excited for a moment when Gannon said speaker calibration .. I thought there was an EQ curve on outputs coming but no .. it's just levels when doing surround. Pity, I'd like to get rid of that nasty bump at 65Hz in my room and I can't fit any more bass traps in unless I start moving instruments out :-) I tried the Sonarworks and while it works on the stereo output because I do summing, I need an EQ curve on all outputs. The "put a plugin on each output group" solution means I will continually forget to take it off at bounce-time plus it means that reference tracks from Spotify, etc. don't get the same EQ curve so it's not really a solution. The trade in deal looks interesting, I wonder how long it will last? Right now all $$ is going to microphones so I don't see myself getting any new Apollos for at least 6 months. The +24 dbu level would be great with my RND 5060 because when driven it clips my BF Apollo and I have to back off the master fader. Edit: I don't see the trade-in deal on Thomann (Germany), SX Pro (UK) or Funky Junk (UK) ... is there going to be trade-ins outside the US? Drew @ UA Why not use a hardware eq before your monitors?
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Sept 7, 2018 5:08:04 GMT -6
Post by kcatthedog on Sept 7, 2018 5:08:04 GMT -6
Tech question: Just wondering about real world use of different interfaces with different dynamic ranges ? How useful is say a somewhat higher dynamic range really ? In practical terms, doesn't it mean you have a little more headroom before clipping and a somewhat lower noise floor ? These are good characteristics and cumulatively over a mix suggests one mix would be somewhat more dynamic and have less noise, but how often are you either running/tracking max or minimum level signals: not that often right ? Also, by the time you use compression on the two buss, you squash that dynamic range a bit anyway ? Not suggesting there is anything bogus about the X measurements. Apogees new 2x6 master module boasts some very high figures too and its another 2 grand So, just wondering about real world utility, other than if you prefer the sound of one box's conversion over another.
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Sept 7, 2018 6:42:46 GMT -6
Post by Drew @ UA on Sept 7, 2018 6:42:46 GMT -6
trade ins are dealer specific. Check with them.
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Post by Guitar on Sept 7, 2018 7:14:05 GMT -6
Tech question: Just wondering about real world use of different interfaces with different dynamic ranges ? How useful is say a somewhat higher dynamic range really ? In practical terms, doesn't it mean you have a little more headroom before clipping and a somewhat lower noise floor ? These are good characteristics and cumulatively over a mix suggests one mix would be somewhat more dynamic and have less noise, but how often are you either running/tracking max or minimum level signals: not that often right ? Also, by the time you use compression on the two buss, you squash that dynamic range a bit anyway ? Not suggesting there is anything bogus about the X measurements. Apogees new 2x6 master module boasts some very high figures too and its another 2 grand So, just wondering about real world utility, other than if you prefer the sound of one box's conversion over another. There should be no real world difference using any of these. Better specs are sometimes associated with better sound quality. 0 DBFS is still what it always was, what you might gain is a tiny bit of "foot room" as some people have called it, that is a lower noise floor
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Post by Quint on Sept 7, 2018 7:38:05 GMT -6
Tech question: Just wondering about real world use of different interfaces with different dynamic ranges ? How useful is say a somewhat higher dynamic range really ? In practical terms, doesn't it mean you have a little more headroom before clipping and a somewhat lower noise floor ? These are good characteristics and cumulatively over a mix suggests one mix would be somewhat more dynamic and have less noise, but how often are you either running/tracking max or minimum level signals: not that often right ? Also, by the time you use compression on the two buss, you squash that dynamic range a bit anyway ? Not suggesting there is anything bogus about the X measurements. Apogees new 2x6 master module boasts some very high figures too and its another 2 grand So, just wondering about real world utility, other than if you prefer the sound of one box's conversion over another. There should be no real world difference using any of these. Better specs are sometimes associated with better sound quality. 0 DBFS is still what it always was, what you might gain is a tiny bit of "foot room" as some people have called it, that is a lower noise floor I normally tend to agree with this, though the specs on the x16 are improved enough to the point that, when coupled with other info that has been released about the conversion on the x16, I'm actually thinking there might be a tangible and justifiable reason to upgrade. Still not pulling any triggers until more info is out there about the actual sound though.
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Sept 7, 2018 7:38:11 GMT -6
Post by kcatthedog on Sept 7, 2018 7:38:11 GMT -6
@monkey ya, that is what I thought too: thx !
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Sept 7, 2018 7:40:54 GMT -6
Post by Guitar on Sept 7, 2018 7:40:54 GMT -6
I forgot to mention the level calibration on the new Apollo X. Watch the Sweetwater video with Gannon and Mitch Gallagher.
I think he said you could run the analog levels at +24 dBU on the inputs, and also more level on the outputs.
So that is a different way of working compared to most interfaces.
Something about interfacing with tape machines and consoles, you'll have to ask someone else about how this works.
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Sept 7, 2018 7:46:36 GMT -6
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Post by Mister Chase on Sept 7, 2018 7:46:36 GMT -6
I always thought even the more average noise floors of good converters was adequate honestly. Doesn't a lot of analog equipment defeat that noise floor anyway? Are there pres and mics with better noise floors than that?
Classical is the only time I can imagine wanting that kind of dead quiet noise floor. Which is deadly serious business for those guys...
I'm more concerned with the depth and transparency though I've yet to see any metric I can understand that equates to those qualities. I just know my octa capture or Scarlett get crushed by the old and new Lynx...
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Sept 7, 2018 8:24:48 GMT -6
Post by soundintheround on Sept 7, 2018 8:24:48 GMT -6
Anybody else thinks this looks like a Brownface Deluxe? Good catch! I certainly hope so. How does Brownface Fender Deluxe compare to Blackface? Please tell me it doesn't distort after gain at 2?? Need a clean warm tube amp!
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Sept 7, 2018 8:32:40 GMT -6
Post by soundintheround on Sept 7, 2018 8:32:40 GMT -6
I bought Silver Apollo 8 when it came out, then thunderbolt, then a blackface 8, and finally a blackface Apollo 16 just a few months ago and thought I would be good to go. Now they release this? I do have some LYNX conversion via ADAT, and using external clocking, so maybe this doesn't make sense for me anyways.
But I would love to have seen Console 3.0 with some fancy new features to make it feel more like a real analog studio. (better flex routing across multiple Apollos and new integration into popular DAWs alongside using Softube Console Hardware) 3.0 should include Room EQ Correction software and integrate that. Console 3.0 should also addresses Summing and Console Emulation.
For plugins: Would be great to get a tape machine that was made before 1976. Older 50's/60's - Ampex/Studer Tape Machine Plugin (440? 350? A80?) Clean Fender Amp Sim Plugin 60's/70's (Twin? SUPER REVERB?) Universal Audio 176 Compressor would be awesome
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Sept 7, 2018 8:44:03 GMT -6
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Post by Mister Chase on Sept 7, 2018 8:44:03 GMT -6
Anybody else thinks this looks like a Brownface Deluxe? Good catch! I certainly hope so. How does Brownface Fender Deluxe compare to Blackface? Please tell me it doesn't distort after gain at 2?? Need a clean warm tube amp! Browns are basically between a tweed and blackface. Time and tone wise. They don't distort as soon as the tweed but earlier and warmer than the deluxe. If you want clean warm tube it's the tweed twin for sure. Amazing sound. I'll find a link.
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Sept 7, 2018 9:01:24 GMT -6
Post by soundintheround on Sept 7, 2018 9:01:24 GMT -6
I don't want any distortion or breakup in my amp. I want clean. If I go distortion, I go all the way with a Fuzz Pedal.
I like Bassman, Black Deluxe then early solid state are great too like Acetone, Roland Jazz Chorus.
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Post by Mister Chase on Sept 7, 2018 9:23:30 GMT -6
Interesting that you named Bassman and Black Deluxe as I would not describe those as clean amps. You get til about 3 on the volume of a BF deluxe that is truly clean. Breakup starts around 4.
Jazz Chorus is definitely clean, though. Most of the sought after amps have some amount of distortion in the signal(harmonics) which give them their characteristic sound.
Totally clean would basically be a DI through a speaker.
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