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Post by klauth on Aug 29, 2018 7:53:55 GMT -6
Your entire studio burns to the ground, and your insurance payout is a hundred grand. You Inherited a new space that suits your needs so, it's just gear you need, It's time to restart a new place. List your priority purchases.
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Post by svart on Aug 29, 2018 8:31:10 GMT -6
Computer/DAW/Desk/display - I7 with lots of ram, M2 SSD for system drive and two WD black spinning drives for RAID 1 for data. 32" monitor.
Interface/Cables - I want something with enough inputs that I don't have to swap cables all the time. For me it's SSL Alphalink, maybe MOTU 24xx.
Preamps - The usual suspects, 1272/1073/1084, 312, SSL9k and some other esoteric stuff in 500 rack.
Mics - The usuals here too, 57's, U47, R121. I couldn't live without my Gefell's either.
Monitors - I love my JBLs, but I'd go with some of the middle Barefoots if I had the cash.
Patchbays/cables - Can't live without my TT patchbays.
Chair(s) - Something comfy and heavy. You don't want to roll around with every small push, and you want it to last.
Instruments - Get a few good guitars and basses and a drumset. LP, Strat, Tele, P/J bass, a nice Yamaha or Tama drumset and good cymbals.
Amps - get a few known amps. Dual rec, Deluxe reverb, rockerverb, AC30, JCM800, etc.
Gobos - Need a few of these along with other movable sound control devices.
Stands for everything - Big roll around mic stands for booming over stuff, short mic stands, regular mic stands, etc. Get 30% more than you think you need.
Mic cables - might as well get good mic cables at this point. I have a mix of ones I've made from expensive cable, and those I bought for 5$ each. Sound the same but the cheap don't last.
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Post by Guitar on Aug 29, 2018 9:59:02 GMT -6
My collection is not worth 100K, haha, so there would be some expansion and upgrades.
Such as more mic preamps, rack compressors, high end microphones.
I've got just enough of each to do my one man band thing here. My 100K fantasy would be "fully equipped" for any scenario with no compromises.
The most expensive change would be getting a space separate from my house. That would change a lot. Ideally it would be some kind of Steve Albini thing where I take over a building for the studio, but also have my private living area in the same building or at least on the same lot.
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Post by ericn on Aug 29, 2018 10:23:36 GMT -6
Oh Man, this would be so hard I almost never buy new so most would be used, starting point would be another console would probably look for a 24+ ch Harrison or CADAC or what ever was cool and popped up so we will call that $5K with transport and and refurb.
$5000
DAW, Love the RADAR V, not going to find another for $1200 though and would want the SSD upgrade, still need a laptop and PT or logic ect for editing, so used I7 MBP and lightbridge for getting 24 ch out of RADAR for tracking direct to DAW so another 5k
$5000
Mics a Flea 49 a used Bock 251 pair of KM84’s a Sony C38fet and C48 pair of used UMT70’s. Couldn’t live without a pair of Sony C535’s. Dynamics 4 SM57’s 4 RE16’s 4 AKG D1000’s 2 635a’s
RE20, SM7b, D12Vr E604, Audio D6 most used and considering I always like to collect forgotten dynamics plus would want at least a pair of Sank Modded M260’s lets call it $25k on Mics
$25k
Rack Gear DIY or used
8 ch of AML EZ 1073 with cases est $750 ea $6k
8ch of CAPI BT50 & VP28 2 racks and PSU. $7.6K
2ch of AML EZp1a $650 ea. $1.3K
6 ch of misc 500 pres used avrg 600ea. $3.6K
4 used DBX 160XT. $0.6K
2 Audio Scape or Stam LA2. $2K
2 Audio Scape or Stam 1176. $1.4k
1 Audio Scape or Stam SSL comp. $0.7K
Misc used delays and verbs $2k
Misc dynamics $3K
1 used Eventide H3500 fully loaded. $1.5K
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Round up to $40k. $40K
Let’s say cabling, bays racks all DIY stands $20K
Etc $20K
Monitors
Used B&W 808’s ( think 801 matrix times 2)
Then a pair of Quested H108’s ATC SCM 20 passives
Pair of custom Dual Volt 2549 subs, 4 modded Adcom
GFA 555 some cheap little active fostex will call it
$15k that’s all our cash. $15K
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Post by drbill on Aug 29, 2018 10:41:18 GMT -6
The first thing I'd have to do is "define" what I was going to do / try to accomplish.
1. Record bands / ensembles with $100k? Not doable for me.
2. Having an "all around" studio? Not doable for me.
2. Record drums with $100k? MIGHT be doable, but I'd have to forgo great vocal mics, and some mixing gear though.
3. Mix? Probably do-able. BUT - and I'd hate this - I'd have to focus primarily ITB with just a few key pieces of outboard for my 2 Bus.
4. Composing ITB? Totally doable. But I'd need $30k in sound libraries in addition to the usual stuff like monitoring, cabling, instruments, etc..
By the time you procure great monitoring, a great monitor controller, adequate AD/DA, a computer and associated plugins, and WIRE it all together - you're already pushing $40-50k.
You still need mics, instruments, amps, backline, outboard gear, mic pre's, misc studio stuff, and MORE WIRE to hook it all up. I could spend almost $100k on a piano and B3 and a couple good acoustic guitars.....
What do you really need
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 29, 2018 10:58:21 GMT -6
Put it in the bank to pay for some job that actually pays  |
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Post by svart on Aug 29, 2018 11:30:09 GMT -6
Put it in the bank to pay for some job that actually pays You know how to get a million dollars in the recording industry? Start with two million. |
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Post by svart on Aug 29, 2018 11:34:10 GMT -6
The first thing I'd have to do is "define" what I was going to do / try to accomplish. 1. Record bands / ensembles with $100k? Not doable for me. 2. Having an "all around" studio? Not doable for me. 2. Record drums with $100k? MIGHT be doable, but I'd have to forgo great vocal mics, and some mixing gear though. 3. Mix? Probably do-able. BUT - and I'd hate this - I'd have to focus primarily ITB with just a few key pieces of outboard for my 2 Bus. 4. Composing ITB? Totally doable. But I'd need $30k in sound libraries in addition to the usual stuff like monitoring, cabling, instruments, etc.. By the time you procure great monitoring, a great monitor controller, adequate AD/DA, a computer and associated plugins, and WIRE it all together - you're already pushing $40-50k. You still need mics, instruments, amps, backline, outboard gear, mic pre's, misc studio stuff, and MORE WIRE to hook it all up. I could spend almost $100k on a piano and B3 and a couple good acoustic guitars..... What do you really need What in the hell are you buying that you can't even record drums with 100K? That's ridiculous. |
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Post by bigbone on Aug 29, 2018 11:47:52 GMT -6
What in the hell are you buying that you can't even record drums with 100K? That's ridiculous. Agree 1000%. !!!!!! |
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Post by drbill on Aug 29, 2018 11:56:28 GMT -6
The first thing I'd have to do is "define" what I was going to do / try to accomplish. 1. Record bands / ensembles with $100k? Not doable for me. 2. Having an "all around" studio? Not doable for me. 2. Record drums with $100k? MIGHT be doable, but I'd have to forgo great vocal mics, and some mixing gear though. 3. Mix? Probably do-able. BUT - and I'd hate this - I'd have to focus primarily ITB with just a few key pieces of outboard for my 2 Bus. 4. Composing ITB? Totally doable. But I'd need $30k in sound libraries in addition to the usual stuff like monitoring, cabling, instruments, etc.. By the time you procure great monitoring, a great monitor controller, adequate AD/DA, a computer and associated plugins, and WIRE it all together - you're already pushing $40-50k. You still need mics, instruments, amps, backline, outboard gear, mic pre's, misc studio stuff, and MORE WIRE to hook it all up. I could spend almost $100k on a piano and B3 and a couple good acoustic guitars..... What do you really need What in the hell are you buying that you can't even record drums with 100K? That's ridiculous. One man's ridiculous is another man's problem. If you don't get it, you don't get it. If I want to record drums with 57's and an 8 channel MOTU interface with built in pre's and a handful of GC mic cables, then sure - $100 grand is a bounty. And BTW, I said it "might" be doable - for ME. I didn't say it wasn't possible. Hell, I've got $50k + in wire and interconnects alone in my studio. What's so difficult to understand for you? If I'm starting from scratch, knowing what I know at this point in my career, the last thing I want to do is start making compromise right out of the gate. I'd rather limit the scope of what I would/could do in the new environment. |
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Post by svart on Aug 29, 2018 12:20:50 GMT -6
What in the hell are you buying that you can't even record drums with 100K? That's ridiculous. One man's ridiculous is another man's problem. If you don't get it, you don't get it. If I want to record drums with 57's and an 8 channel MOTU interface with built in pre's and a handful of GC mic cables, then sure - $100 grand is a bounty. And BTW, I said it "might" be doable - for ME. I didn't say it wasn't possible. Hell, I've got $50k + in wire and interconnects alone in my studio. What's so difficult to understand for you? If I'm starting from scratch, knowing what I know at this point in my career, the last thing I want to do is start making compromise right out of the gate. I'd rather limit the scope of what I would/could do in the new environment. You want to pose it as some kind of virtue that you paid 50K+ for your wiring, but all I see is someone who overpaid but passes it as a point of pride. 50K in wire? Ridiculous as well. But the GC cables quip really sells the snobbery. |
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Post by EmRR on Aug 29, 2018 12:27:55 GMT -6
So much of what I have isn't easily directly replaced, I'd have to look at Coil CA-70's and/or build a lot of stuff out of the separately stored vintage parts piles I have.
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 29, 2018 12:29:08 GMT -6
2. Record drums with $100k? MIGHT be doable, but I'd have to forgo great vocal mics, and some mixing gear though. What in the hell are you buying that you can't even record drums with 100K? I was wondering that myself... |
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 29, 2018 12:39:22 GMT -6
One man's ridiculous is another man's problem. If you don't get it, you don't get it. If I want to record drums with 57's and an 8 channel MOTU interface with built in pre's and a handful of GC mic cables, then sure - $100 grand is a bounty. And BTW, I said it "might" be doable - for ME. I didn't say it wasn't possible. Hell, I've got $50k + in wire and interconnects alone in my studio. What's so difficult to understand for you? If I'm starting from scratch, knowing what I know at this point in my career, the last thing I want to do is start making compromise right out of the gate. I'd rather limit the scope of what I would/could do in the new environment. You want to pose it as some kind of virtue that you paid 50K+ for your wiring, but all I see is someone who overpaid but passes it as a point of pride. 50K in wire? Ridiculous as well. But the GC cables quip really sells the snobbery.
To be fair, most people never even realize how much they have tied up in cable unless catastrophe happens and they have to replace all of it at once. I really wouldn't be surprised if I have more than $50K in cabling but I was fortunate enough to get a large pile of Belden multicore snake cable for free when I got my console. But if I had to replace it I'd have to pay.
Hell, the cost of the cabling just to hook up an interface like my Antelope Orion 32 is easily around a grand, depending on the length of the snakes you need and how hard you grind the sales guy when he won't cut a deal on the interface due to "factory policy". And I got off really cheap because on those damn DB25 fan outs I only needed 2-3 feet to connect up to my existing TRS and XLR terminated multicores. If I'd needed to purchase eight 25 foot snakes it would have been much more expensive.
A lot of it depends on how much hardware you use.
Sure, if you do everything ITB and only record a couple channels at a time you probably don't use much cable but if you're more hardware based your cabling cost skyrockets - it's a "hidden expense" that catches a lot of people by surprise.
The two major costs in building a studio that always catch people by surprise are cabling and buildout.
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Post by drbill on Aug 29, 2018 12:39:49 GMT -6
One man's ridiculous is another man's problem. If you don't get it, you don't get it. If I want to record drums with 57's and an 8 channel MOTU interface with built in pre's and a handful of GC mic cables, then sure - $100 grand is a bounty. And BTW, I said it "might" be doable - for ME. I didn't say it wasn't possible. Hell, I've got $50k + in wire and interconnects alone in my studio. What's so difficult to understand for you? If I'm starting from scratch, knowing what I know at this point in my career, the last thing I want to do is start making compromise right out of the gate. I'd rather limit the scope of what I would/could do in the new environment. You want to pose it as some kind of virtue that you paid 50K+ for your wiring, but all I see is someone who overpaid but passes it as a point of pride. 50K in wire? Ridiculous as well. But the GC cables quip really sells the snobbery. Dude, you have no clue about my studio. Your snobbery is the worst type. I didn't post it as a virtue. It's just a fact of hooking stuff up in my environment with a tested interface system that won't fail in 5 years whose interconnects are solid so I don't have to spend a good portion of my day chasing down intermittent connections while crawling behind racks checking and hooking up cables. No wonder you always post such bitter posts. Cheers, |
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 29, 2018 13:02:03 GMT -6
I recently did an inventory of my studio for insurance purposes - replacement cost for my fairly modest hardware based studio is in the neighborhood of $150,000, which is probably underestimating, and doesn't include a bunch of stuff in a storage facility. And I STILL don't have a lot of stuff I need.
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Post by drbill on Aug 29, 2018 13:15:57 GMT -6
PS - SVART - you could have asked for "reasons" instead of just dismissing my post. As for your lack of cable acumen, here's just one example.
Over the years, I've built many bays and wired many studio's. (as I'm sure you have) Currently, my machine room is almost a 50' run from my bays. I don't like cable on the floor. (One of my pet peeves). So the run is significant. I also like all my gear to come up on my bays. I also like using Elco's for the superior (IMO) gold plated super solid connections and especially for the quick disconnect.
One thing I've learned is that for ME - (I'm not dictating that anyone else do it this way) - to make compromise right out of the gate means I'll be selling and doing it over. I've proven this to myself over and over.
So....for ME - just to hook up my interfaces - ONE multi-pair cable from my bays to my interfaces is $885.29 + $217 for the fanouts from Redco = 1102.29. Multiply X 8 = $8813.82 - and that cost is JUST to connect my interfaces to my patch bays. And that almost $9k figure doesn't include outboard or studio to CRM wiring or the cost of the bays themselves. Just interfaces to TT/Elco bays. And Redco has arguably the best prices around. I can't buy the cabling I need from GC - they wouldn't have a clue. It wasn't a put down for GC - it's a fact. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that once you have gear, remote racks, bays and other stuff to hook up that the cost is astronomical. (the cost for copper - hence wire - and labor has skyrocketed in recent years)
So $50k is not bragging bravado. It's not over the top. It's just a calculated pro situation that I won't outgrow or have to replace in 5 years.
Now....gear, instruments, outboard, monitoring, quality vintage mics, computer, etc.. For me, to do that on $100k would be a challenge if I had to. I could do it, but I'd probably choose not to. Sorry if that's absurd to you.
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Post by Guitar on Aug 29, 2018 13:26:03 GMT -6
What in the hell are you buying that you can't even record drums with 100K? That's ridiculous. Well you need TWO Fairchilds... one for the hi hat mic and one for the under snare mic. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 29, 2018 13:51:25 GMT -6
The scenario is starting over with 100G's. For me, that would realize most of my ambitions, maybe $150,000 since I'm fantasizing. So, if we are discussing this with people who are talking about a true major league style studio, $100,000 is basically 10% of what they'd need, or less. So, there's no reason to be judgmental if someone's criteria for stocking a studio seems over over the top. If your benchmark is major league studios, I doubt even a million dollars gets it. Just an SSL 9000 has to be $300,000, no? I can only guest what the API console at Southern Ground must have cost.
In this hypothetical, $100,000 is the limit, so if you want to play along, keep it under $100,000. It's a good mental exercise. I'll post my ideas later.
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Post by chessparov on Aug 29, 2018 13:59:28 GMT -6
Cheap PC, Audacity, Multitrackstudio Lite, a few Mogami cables, a smattering of cheapie (but good sounding) vocal microphones-exception the wonderful U195 I won.
AKG 240DF/K52 & Sony MDR-V6 headphones.
Mackie Onyx & Studio Projects VTB-1 Pre's. MBOX2 mini & Presonus Audiobox.
Wait a minute, I already have everything I need! For a home studio...
Chris
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Post by Guitar on Aug 29, 2018 14:00:45 GMT -6
Just think of what even part of Blackbird Studios is worth.
It's cool that people want to pursue that kind of quality and are able to.
It's also completely antithetical to the DIY aesthetic, which is the world I come from.
Maybe you could call those "two extremes."
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 29, 2018 14:08:23 GMT -6
What in the hell are you buying that you can't even record drums with 100K? That's ridiculous. One man's ridiculous is another man's problem. If you don't get it, you don't get it. If I want to record drums with 57's and an 8 channel MOTU interface with built in pre's and a handful of GC mic cables, then sure - $100 grand is a bounty. And BTW, I said it "might" be doable - for ME. I didn't say it wasn't possible. Hell, I've got $50k + in wire and interconnects alone in my studio. What's so difficult to understand for you? If I'm starting from scratch, knowing what I know at this point in my career, the last thing I want to do is start making compromise right out of the gate. I'd rather limit the scope of what I would/could do in the new environment. You should post some work |
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Post by chessparov on Aug 29, 2018 14:31:55 GMT -6
Monkeyxx, I was just about to edit my post and add...
I wonder how much $$ Blackbird invested, just for cables?(!)
I think what John McBride did there is awesome!
Chris
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Post by jdc on Aug 29, 2018 14:58:28 GMT -6
I'd start with all capi gear and build out a 500 series capi desk. Probably VP312 pre's, BT50 EQs and FC528 comps feeding into ML2 for every channel. I'd want 24 channels, which would come to about $33,000 without tax. That leaves me about $65k for everything else
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 29, 2018 14:59:25 GMT -6
I bet their cooling bill is that much a year.
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