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Post by donr on Aug 22, 2018 12:13:02 GMT -6
In the Warbler/KM comparo and the Warbler/Octava, they all sound fine. The Warbler sounds a bit closer to me how an acoustic would end up in a track than the others.
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Post by professorplum on Sept 11, 2018 15:25:13 GMT -6
Anybody use the Warbler 127s as overheads yet? I would imagine they sound pretty darn good.....
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Post by ragan on Sept 11, 2018 15:54:18 GMT -6
Anybody use the Warbler 127s as overheads yet? I would imagine they sound pretty darn good..... Yeah. I like them a lot there. On my Soundcloud page (from the original posts) if you scroll down there are clips of the 127s as OH with the various capsules.
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Post by bigbone on Sept 11, 2018 16:15:36 GMT -6
Anybody use the Warbler 127s as overheads yet? I would imagine they sound pretty darn good..... Beware that these kind of inexpensive mic might sound good in solo. In the context of a song they rarely make there recording source sound good in the mix. That's my personal experience, !!!
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Post by ragan on Sept 11, 2018 17:17:45 GMT -6
Anybody use the Warbler 127s as overheads yet? I would imagine they sound pretty darn good..... Beware that these kind of inexpensive mic might sound good in solo. In the context of a song they rarely make there recording source sound good in the mix. That's my personal experience, !!! If you're speaking generally, yeah, there's some truth to that. I've had it happen too. But the 3U stuff is different in my experience. Look at the guts of any of these mics and you're looking at good-DIY-level components, implemented well. And the sonics bare that out. I've got 8 or so 3U mics here and they've kicked some much more expensive stuff out of my mic locker over the last few years.
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Post by matt@IAA on Sept 11, 2018 18:06:29 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2018 7:43:22 GMT -6
OK, here's my shootout between the 3U Warbler 127 Cardioid Flat and a recently serviced KM84. Fingerpicked acoustic with old strings. 14th fret, on axis, 12" back, into Chandler TG2 pre, 60dB of gain. Raw 24/96 files. Do you have a preference? Can you guess which is which? Happy to provide results via PM any time, will announce publicly in a day or two. I think they both sound great, although quite different. Do they both sound good enough for me to flip the KM84s? Hm... hermetechmastering.com/Fingerpick1.wavhermetechmastering.com/Fingerpick2.wav
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Post by jcoutu1 on Sept 25, 2018 7:49:30 GMT -6
OK, here's my shootout between the 3U Warbler 127 Cardioid Flat and a recently serviced KM84. Fingerpicked acoustic with old strings. 12th fret, on axis, 12" back, into Chandler TG2 pre. Raw 24/96 files. Do you have a preference? Can you guess which is which? Happy to provide results via PM any time, will announce publicly in a day or two. I think they both sound great, although quite different. Do they both sound good enough for me to flip the KM84s? Hm... hermetechmastering.com/Fingerpick1.wavhermetechmastering.com/Fingerpick2.wavI prefer 1. Please PM.
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Post by matt@IAA on Sept 25, 2018 9:40:56 GMT -6
I too prefer 1, but it's close. I got it right.
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Post by ragan on Sept 25, 2018 10:24:51 GMT -6
OK, here's my shootout between the 3U Warbler 127 Cardioid Flat and a recently serviced KM84. Fingerpicked acoustic with old strings. 14th fret, on axis, 12" back, into Chandler TG2 pre. Raw 24/96 files. Do you have a preference? Can you guess which is which? Happy to provide results via PM any time, will announce publicly in a day or two. I think they both sound great, although quite different. Do they both sound good enough for me to flip the KM84s? Hm... hermetechmastering.com/Fingerpick1.wavhermetechmastering.com/Fingerpick2.wavI picked 1 blind. I like them both though and don't find them all that different. 2 is definitely a tad mellower but man, couple slight EQ tweaks to either and they could morph into one another pretty convincingly. PM me the answers if you would! Thanks for posting.
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Post by Mister Chase on Sept 25, 2018 11:41:46 GMT -6
Interesting. 1 has more of something going on but I can't tell which I like better. At first leaning towards 1.
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Post by Omicron9 on Sept 26, 2018 5:45:31 GMT -6
Ragan,
Thanks for doing this; very well-done comparison. Your HD-28 sounds lovely, BTW. The 127 sounds fantastic. I sometimes am hearing a very slight bit more of low-mids in the 84, but only very slightly. I'd be quite happy with the 127 pair. Nice work!
Regards, -09
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Post by ragan on Sept 26, 2018 21:57:40 GMT -6
Bumping cause I'm interested in more opinions on @hermetechmastering 's recent clips.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2018 4:39:02 GMT -6
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Post by stormymondays on Sept 27, 2018 6:52:01 GMT -6
They are clearly two different mics, and they are both really good. My guess is that the clips with the softer lows (2 and A) are the Warbler. For me, a correctly placed KM84 gives piano-like lows on acoustic guitar that are not soft.
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Post by matt@IAA on Sept 27, 2018 6:52:27 GMT -6
People talk quite a bit about the off axis performance of the 84. Maybe a test with them both angled away would be interesting?
I’m guessing A is the Warbler but it’s tough.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2018 7:02:50 GMT -6
What would be a torture test for off axis response, guitar again, or something like a shaker from 1-2 meters away, with the mics angled say 90 degrees off axis?
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Post by wiz on Sept 27, 2018 16:07:34 GMT -6
What would be a torture test for off axis response, guitar again, or something like a shaker from 1-2 meters away, with the mics angled say 90 degrees off axis? Acoustic guitar cheers Wiz
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2018 0:10:28 GMT -6
How off axis then, 90 degrees, 180 degrees?
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Post by ragan on Sept 28, 2018 0:24:12 GMT -6
I found these even closer. But I picked A blind. PM please!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2018 10:19:07 GMT -6
OK the files are:
Fingerpick 1 - Warbler 127 C-Flat Fingerpick 2 - KM84 body 1 (with early capsule) Fingerpick A - Warbler 127 C-Flat Fingerpick B - KM84 body 2 (with later capsule)
For 1 and 2, like most people, I clearly prefer 1, the 127. Both sound nice but quite different. This KM84 sounds noticeably darker and a bit EQ'd/phase smeary to me, compared to the 127.
For A and B they sound MUCH closer to my ears, but I slightly prefer B. Hard to put my finger on it, this KM84 sounds more EQd to me than the 127, perhaps less close to the source, BUT there is something special about the overall tone and realism of the recorded sound that puts a big warm, smile on my face. In comparison, the the 127 sounds a little clinical. But this is just in comparison. I think they both sound amazing.
My Conclusions:
1) The two KM84s sound very different. As the bodies were recently serviced (new caps, resistors screws, matching etc.), and are (almost) consecutive serial numbers, I can only conclude that the capsules are what make them sound different. The capsule on 2 has a low serial number, am guessing mid 70's. Could be one of the very early ones, as it has no markings and the less bevelled edge. The capsule on B has a much higher serial number, I am guessing 80's or later. So the capsules could be two decades or more apart. Despite being very closely level matched now, tonally they are quite off, which is gonna preclude any serious stereo work where a closely matched pair would be needed. The older capsule shows a lot more low end noise in the spectrogram.
2) I am pretty sure I prefer the sound of the later capsule KM84 on this source, to both the other KM84 and the 127. It has some kinda voodoo magic vibe going on.
3) The 3U Warbler 127 with Cardioid Flat capsule is an AMAZING mic (not even "for the price").
My Conundrum:
Do I buy another new KK84 capsule from Neumann for £500 in the hope that it will match B (it may not), or do I buy a brand new matched pair of 127's, with wood box and shock mounts, for about the same price, and sell the pair of 84s?
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Post by stormymondays on Sept 28, 2018 11:01:19 GMT -6
OK the files are: Fingerpick 1 - Warbler 127 C-Flat Fingerpick 2 - KM84 body 1 (with early capsule) Fingerpick A - Warbler 127 C-Flat Fingerpick B - KM84 body 2 (with later capsule) I need to eat my hat again!!! However, I did buy the Warbler and it didn't do it for me. And then I got the Neumanns and it was all I ever hoped for in a mic. Maybe I listen with my eyes!!!
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Post by stormymondays on Sept 28, 2018 11:07:55 GMT -6
Do I buy another new KK84 capsule from Neumann for £500 in the hope that it will match B (it may not) spares.sennheiser.co.uk/neumann/km-84 - £384.30 plus VAT. If you are a professional, no need to add VAT. For me it's a no-brainer, even if you plan on selling it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2018 11:11:52 GMT -6
Do I buy another new KK84 capsule from Neumann for £500 in the hope that it will match B (it may not) spares.sennheiser.co.uk/neumann/km-84 - £384.30 plus VAT. If you are a professional, no need to add VAT. For me it's a no-brainer, even if you plan on selling it. Probably still need to buy a pair or will be OCD about them forever. Is there a market for used KK84 capsules?
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Post by theshea on Mar 3, 2019 10:45:31 GMT -6
Anybody use the Warbler 127s as overheads yet? I would imagine they sound pretty darn good..... yes, i borrowed my normal goto overhead ribbons mic to a friend for a session. so i decided to use my warbler 127 cflat mics as overheads in A B. and i am really surprised, they do sound great! clear and detailed. very smooth cymbal sound. and it works a charm in the mix. so all in all, after recording acoustic guitar only, i truly can recommend these for drum overheads as well. wonderful mics.
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