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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 18, 2018 7:00:12 GMT -6
Except that the Heritage Elite is always more expensive (List) ?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 18, 2018 7:56:57 GMT -6
Except that the Heritage Elite is always more expensive (List) ? Same basic range though. Heritage has the reputation for quality and experience with Neve circles. Warm has a little price advantage and the added top frequencies. I'm personally torn about which I'll grab.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 18, 2018 8:07:32 GMT -6
True, bunch of factors to consider. I have had nothing but very good pre and post sales experience with Warm products, which matters a lot to me.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 18, 2018 8:46:53 GMT -6
kcat, they're only $100 apart in price I think.
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Post by Quint on Jan 18, 2018 16:41:37 GMT -6
kcat, they're only $100 apart in price I think. Although, there is a bit more price saving between the WA273 at $1500 and two of the Heritage EQ models at $1800 ($900 a piece). Either way, it's going to be the sound and features that make the biggest difference in people's choice between the two.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 18, 2018 19:14:08 GMT -6
Your $100 is my $130 and it all adds up
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 19, 2018 8:24:11 GMT -6
I know some will roll their eyes, but aesthetically, the Heritage is much more pleasant.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 19, 2018 9:11:24 GMT -6
Aesthetics can be important over time, and usually make you think the care taken on the outside is a reflection of the care taken inside.
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Post by Guitar on Jan 19, 2018 9:31:48 GMT -6
The warm 1176 still has the infamous "wavy lines" glad they didn't make it to the 1073. I think they're improving the looks with the newer products.
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Post by joey808 on Jan 19, 2018 10:26:46 GMT -6
Got a good feeling about the Warm 273 eq.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 19, 2018 10:34:03 GMT -6
Well the heritage is roughly 10-15% more expensive, but not wired by hand, so maybe they just have a larger profit margin, as what we know of the parts list is they are very similar ?
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Post by Guitar on Jan 19, 2018 10:55:44 GMT -6
I'd like to see inside of the Heritage to see how they cut the costs
Also really glad to hear that the Warm is apparently using good quality rotary switches.
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Post by ragan on Jan 19, 2018 11:16:46 GMT -6
The warm 1176 still has the infamous "wavy lines" glad they didn't make it to the 1073. I think they're improving the looks with the newer products. The waves haven't been on the WA76's for awhile either. I have a pair, one with the wavies, one without. I don't think they're on anything anymore since the popular uproar
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Post by indiehouse on Jan 19, 2018 11:52:34 GMT -6
Is the new Stam 1073 mkii on anyone's radar?
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Post by Guitar on Jan 19, 2018 12:00:39 GMT -6
Is the new Stam 1073 mkii on anyone's radar? If I had a bunch of money I would probably just buy 2 of everything Stam is making. However, I don't, so I'm slowly plodding ahead with DIY.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 19, 2018 12:06:59 GMT -6
I respect Stam's work but I have always had an excellent pre sales and after sales experience with Warm, so hard for me to stray !
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Post by Vincent R. on Jan 19, 2018 18:09:04 GMT -6
Maybe if Stam does one with the 1073 or 1084 EQ. If he makes a 1084 my only hesitation will be figuring out where to get the cash.
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Post by drbill on Jan 19, 2018 18:23:20 GMT -6
Well the heritage is roughly 10-15% more expensive, but not wired by hand, I know you love warm, but from the pics I've seen, it's not really "hand wired" in any traditional sense of the term. And even if it was, to me, "hand wired" means more chance of error, with no upside in terms of sonics. Maybe it just means they plug in the molex's by hand?
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Post by Guitar on Jan 19, 2018 18:26:47 GMT -6
Yeah, it's more "hand plugged"
I do take issue with that marketing, as well.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 19, 2018 18:32:04 GMT -6
Hand wired BAE stereo preamp... Hand wired Locomotive Compressor...
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Post by Guitar on Jan 19, 2018 18:36:26 GMT -6
As someone that hand wires pedals and etc fairly often that Sh*t takes a lot of effort, and would not be cheap by any means.
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Post by drbill on Jan 19, 2018 19:29:04 GMT -6
As someone that hand wires pedals and etc fairly often that Sh*t takes a lot of effort, and would not be cheap by any means. Yup! Especially if done right. A quarter of an inch or a wind that's too tight or too loose, or proximity to the wrong component and......
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 19, 2018 19:29:31 GMT -6
Well the heritage is roughly 10-15% more expensive, but not wired by hand, I know you love warm, but from the pics I've seen, it's not really "hand wired" in any traditional sense of the term. And even if it was, to me, "hand wired" means more chance of error, with no upside in terms of sonics. Maybe it just means they plug in the molex's by hand? it’s not about loving Warm, it’s about discussing the differences? Hand wired means a Human rather than a machine was involved. Since a huge amount of the yesterday is better conjecture is based on how things were done in the past, then a hand wired unit is more authentic then a machine assembled unit. Does one actually sound better than the other , I don’t know ? Does one represent better value than the other:maybe, but people value different things differently? Bryce has told me a couple of things about his production process and I am comfortable buying Warm products as I have had nothing but good experiences doing so. Doesn’t really matter to me what others want to buy, that’s their business. It will be interesting when the true comparative shoot outs inevitably show up as at least then you can heari what ever the difference are ? I am just interested in a neve tone to compliment the API tone of my other OB Warm pres and those on my delta. From having switched out some transformers in gear in the past, I think that will be a big contributing factor that all these clones are being mindful about: seems it’s hard to go wrong with Warm, Stam and or Heritage and all the others
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Post by drbill on Jan 19, 2018 19:34:29 GMT -6
Since you brought it up, I can guarantee you that both units assembly involves human hands AND automated assembly. Warm is playing a marketing trick by emphasizing their "hand wiring" (which isn't IMO) on tradition and people's naiveté - pure and simple. It's as hand wired as the heritage is. As far as whether or not it makes a difference?? I doubt that any of Warm's "hand wiring / assembly" will make a spit of difference in compared to the Heritage Elite, the REAL hardwired heritage, or a vintage hand wired unit. The reality is that there are FAR more important things in the designs than "hand wiring" IMO. I'm sure Warm got a bunch if not all of those "other" things right, No need to pimp the "hand wired" card - it only cheapens their offering. Again, all IMO. And just as an aside, no vintage 1073 I've ever seen has IC chips and ribbon cable in it. I could be wrong though.... I say Cheers for all the good sounding 1073 clones on the market!!! Time will decide the winners!!
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 19, 2018 20:59:56 GMT -6
Well I think this digression is missing the point which started off discussing differences in price. Personally, I think a 10-15% difference is interesting and I raised wiring as a manufacturing costs only as one thing I think is different between the two units. Both Warm and Heritage spin this in their own way, fair enuff. It will be interesting when the units are in the wild and people pop their tops and then we will know how different their builds actuslly are and what the different price points actually reflect.
I have a feeling the parts list will be much more similar than dissimilar ?
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