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Post by Vincent R. on Jun 2, 2018 5:47:49 GMT -6
Nice shootout! I owned a Peluso 2247SE for a number of years. It’s a nice mic. I used it as a room mic for a small orchestra, on cello, trumpets, countless female and male vocals. Both the Peluso and the Stam are missing a little something, although I don’t think you’d notice it as much if the original wasn’t right there. The Peluso was missing some of that bottom end and the Stam was missing a bit of clarity. Personally, I’m always surprised how well my BLUE Bottle Rocket Stage II w/B7 holds up for a 47ish sound. I think the FleA 47 is my favorite of the clones I’ve tried. The wagner sounded huge, but a little dark. The FleA is more general use. I’ll have to get jtc111’s FleA 47 over here and do a formal shootout between the two. I actually want to do a video with the BLUE where I put it against high end clones of the Mics each Cap is emulating. Need to find a few more Mics to shoot it out against first.
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Post by ericn on Jun 2, 2018 9:43:17 GMT -6
I keep looking at the one at my local MI shop and 🤔 Wonder what it would sound like if I popped that Thirsch M7 I have inside? Wonder what Shannon could do with this thing? My bank balance keeps me from finding the answers to these important vexing questions.
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Post by Vincent R. on Jun 2, 2018 10:13:07 GMT -6
I keep looking at the one at my local MI shop and 🤔 Wonder what it would sound like if I popped that Thirsch M7 I have inside? Wonder what Shannon could do with this thing? My bank balance keeps me from finding the answers to these important vexing questions. Which mic, the Stam?
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Post by ericn on Jun 2, 2018 10:52:47 GMT -6
I keep looking at the one at my local MI shop and 🤔 Wonder what it would sound like if I popped that Thirsch M7 I have inside? Wonder what Shannon could do with this thing? My bank balance keeps me from finding the answers to these important vexing questions. Which mic, the Stam? The Warm it’s cheap and stares me in face every week when I make my search for cheap used bargains, it screams you know you want to see how far you can push me.
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Post by Vincent R. on Jun 2, 2018 11:59:19 GMT -6
The Warm it’s cheap and stares me in face every week when I make my search for cheap used bargains, it screams you know you want to see how far you can push me. If you do cave let me know. If I have to throw 2k into it on top of the nearly 1k price tag I'd just sooner run out and get a FleA 47.
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Post by jtc111 on Jun 2, 2018 17:26:09 GMT -6
To my ears, the Stam and the Peluso sound similar and neither can match the smoothness of the Neumann on the top end.
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Post by stam on Jun 4, 2018 19:05:27 GMT -6
To my ears, the Stam and the Peluso sound similar and neither can match the smoothness of the Neumann on the top end. I disagree, the SA-47 has been compared to certain 47's and has had an identical frequency response and distortion figures. The purple forum has some research on that and those charts were published. I agree on this particular 47 mine sounds a tad brighter, but being 10% of the price the differences are barely noticeable. Matching a U47 is possible but it has to be done on a one to one basis, I can match any 47 but I have to hear it, then you adjust the capacitance on the capsule and you get 99% there.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 4, 2018 21:50:03 GMT -6
That makes sense. I've heard the same model vintage Neumann's sound definitely different from each other. It's the same when doing shootouts. Once a recreation type mic gets really close, you have to try it for yourself to really know if it's the right fit. I know that's not easily done, but Stam is coming to the US, so you might be able to hear one for yourself soon.
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Post by jtc111 on Jun 4, 2018 23:28:05 GMT -6
To my ears, the Stam and the Peluso sound similar and neither can match the smoothness of the Neumann on the top end. I disagree, the SA-47 has been compared to certain 47's and has had an identical frequency response and distortion figures. The purple forum has some research on that and those charts were published. I agree on this particular 47 mine sounds a tad brighter, but being 10% of the price the differences are barely noticeable. Matching a U47 is possible but it has to be done on a one to one basis, I can match any 47 but I have to hear it, then you adjust the capacitance on the capsule and you get 99% there. I don't want to get into an argument about this, and I understand and acknowledge as factual your point about vintage 47s not all sounding the same, but I think in almost all cases just about every microphone manufacturer is engaging in a bit of hyperbole when they make claims that their mics sounds exactly or near exactly like a vintage anything. Hell, even Neumann's reissue 67 doesn't sound like a vintage 67. It's a business and I get that a high degree of salesmanship has to take place, and I'm older, wiser, and cynical enough not to rely solely on the hype. I'm not singling you out in that and I don't regard you as one of the bigger offenders. As proof, I recently ordered a 67 and a 76 from you. What I wrote is akin to saying an Infiniti Q50 can't match the luxury of a Rolls-Royce Ghost. That doesn't mean the Infiniti is a terrible car; it's just not as impressive as the Rolls-Royce Ghost. And speaking of that 67 I ordered... I sent a message to your company asking that the 67 be upgraded to the NOS version that you described here. I asked for an email confirmation of that but I've yet to hear back from anyone. I'd like to avoid a situation where the wrong version gets delivered. Can you get someone to confirm the upgrade? The original order was placed on May 5th. Last name is Caputo, email is jim@jimcaputo.com Thanks.
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Post by jtc111 on Jun 4, 2018 23:30:56 GMT -6
I keep looking at the one at my local MI shop and 🤔 Wonder what it would sound like if I popped that Thirsch M7 I have inside? Wonder what Shannon could do with this thing? My bank balance keeps me from finding the answers to these important vexing questions. The places our mind takes us when we have a Thirsch M7 burning a hole in our pocket.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 5, 2018 1:01:14 GMT -6
I had a good chat with Bowie about rolling an nos tube in my wa-47 and seeking his advice.
We settled on a Siemans ECC801s that he did his burn in and mic grade selection on.
He describes it this way:
This one has a nice, quiet noise floor and is a really great tube. The presence and clarity is something that makes these unique as they are probably the most balanced and accurate of the 12AT7s, but still have some tube magic and don't sound sterile.
It’s in transit, so looking forward to hearing it.
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Post by stam on Jun 5, 2018 5:06:57 GMT -6
I disagree, the SA-47 has been compared to certain 47's and has had an identical frequency response and distortion figures. The purple forum has some research on that and those charts were published. I agree on this particular 47 mine sounds a tad brighter, but being 10% of the price the differences are barely noticeable. Matching a U47 is possible but it has to be done on a one to one basis, I can match any 47 but I have to hear it, then you adjust the capacitance on the capsule and you get 99% there. I don't want to get into an argument about this, and I understand and acknowledge as factual your point about vintage 47s not all sounding the same, but I think in almost all cases just about every microphone manufacturer is engaging in a bit of hyperbole when they make claims that their mics sounds exactly or near exactly like a vintage anything. Hell, even Neumann's reissue 67 doesn't sound like a vintage 67. It's a business and I get that a high degree of salesmanship has to take place, and I'm older, wiser, and cynical enough not to rely solely on the hype. I'm not singling you out in that and I don't regard you as one of the bigger offenders. As proof, I recently ordered a 67 and a 76 from you. What I wrote is akin to saying an Infiniti Q50 can't match the luxury of a Rolls-Royce Ghost. That doesn't mean the Infiniti is a terrible car; it's just not as impressive as the Rolls-Royce Ghost. And speaking of that 67 I ordered... I sent a message to your company asking that the 67 be upgraded to the NOS version that you described here. I asked for an email confirmation of that but I've yet to hear back from anyone. I'd like to avoid a situation where the wrong version gets delivered. Can you get someone to confirm the upgrade? The original order was placed on May 5th. Last name is Caputo, email is jim@jimcaputo.com Thanks. Hi Jim I have not been able to find a NOS payment, please email me the transaction id at stamaudio@gmail.com I insist my 47 sounds pretty much identical, so does my 67, I will post blind files and see what people think. I get what you mean by the sales side of things but it would be silly on our side to claim something and then deliver something else.
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Post by jtc111 on Jun 5, 2018 7:50:20 GMT -6
I don't want to get into an argument about this, and I understand and acknowledge as factual your point about vintage 47s not all sounding the same, but I think in almost all cases just about every microphone manufacturer is engaging in a bit of hyperbole when they make claims that their mics sounds exactly or near exactly like a vintage anything. Hell, even Neumann's reissue 67 doesn't sound like a vintage 67. It's a business and I get that a high degree of salesmanship has to take place, and I'm older, wiser, and cynical enough not to rely solely on the hype. I'm not singling you out in that and I don't regard you as one of the bigger offenders. As proof, I recently ordered a 67 and a 76 from you. What I wrote is akin to saying an Infiniti Q50 can't match the luxury of a Rolls-Royce Ghost. That doesn't mean the Infiniti is a terrible car; it's just not as impressive as the Rolls-Royce Ghost. And speaking of that 67 I ordered... I sent a message to your company asking that the 67 be upgraded to the NOS version that you described here. I asked for an email confirmation of that but I've yet to hear back from anyone. I'd like to avoid a situation where the wrong version gets delivered. Can you get someone to confirm the upgrade? The original order was placed on May 5th. Last name is Caputo, email is jim@jimcaputo.com Thanks. Hi Jim I have not been able to find a NOS payment, please email me the transaction id at stamaudio@gmail.com I insist my 47 sounds pretty much identical, so does my 67, I will post blind files and see what people think. I get what you mean by the sales side of things but it would be silly on our side to claim something and then deliver something else. Email is sent.
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Post by jtc111 on Jun 8, 2018 19:06:52 GMT -6
Hi Jim I have not been able to find a NOS payment, please email me the transaction id at stamaudio@gmail.com stamJosh, did you get my email about upgrading my order to NOS? Jim
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Post by winetree on Jun 8, 2018 20:20:29 GMT -6
When i listen to the above shootout I hear more than just slight frequency differences. Also, we all know graphs that look similar don't always sound the same. There seems to be a more natural, opened sound to the Neumann. Capturing more air, space or something. The other two mics sound close to the Neumann frequency wise, but a little more up front sounding. Even thought all Neumann U47 sound a little different from each other frequency wise they all have that certain magic that That hasn't been captured.
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Post by Ward on Jun 10, 2018 10:59:23 GMT -6
When i listen to the above shootout I hear more than just slight frequency differences. Also, we all know graphs that look similar don't always sound the same. There seems to be a more natural, opened sound to the Neumann. Capturing more air, space or something. The other two mics sound close to the Neumann frequency wise, but a little more up front sounding. Even thought all Neumann U47 sound a little different from each other frequency wise they all have that certain magic that That hasn't been captured. Well, you would know!!!
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Post by johneppstein on Jun 10, 2018 11:25:18 GMT -6
To my ears, the Stam and the Peluso sound similar and neither can match the smoothness of the Neumann on the top end. I disagree, the SA-47 has been compared to certain 47's and has had an identical frequency response and distortion figures. The purple forum has some research on that and those charts were published. I agree on this particular 47 mine sounds a tad brighter, but being 10% of the price the differences are barely noticeable. Matching a U47 is possible but it has to be done on a one to one basis, I can match any 47 but I have to hear it, then you adjust the capacitance on the capsule and you get 99% there. "Identical distortion figures"?
Really?
Has anyone actually done a spectral dfistortion analysis? As we know, a THD figure is next to meaningless...
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 10, 2018 14:54:33 GMT -6
I’m thinking we just forgo thread topics ?
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Post by jtc111 on Jun 11, 2018 14:31:55 GMT -6
Hi Jim I have not been able to find a NOS payment, please email me the transaction id at stamaudio@gmail.com stam Josh, did you get my email about upgrading my order to NOS? Jim Josh ( stam), I leave you messages here and I send them to your email address and it's damn near impossible to get a response. Very frustrating, especially as you were on this forum yesterday which means you essentially ignored the question even though I tagged you in the post. Please let me know if you got my email about upgrading the 67 I ordered to the NOS version. Jim
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Post by stam on Jun 11, 2018 15:23:38 GMT -6
stam Josh, did you get my email about upgrading my order to NOS? Jim Josh ( stam ), I leave you messages here and I send them to your email address and it's damn near impossible to get a response. Very frustrating, especially as you were on this forum yesterday which means you essentially ignored the question even though I tagged you in the post. Please let me know if you got my email about upgrading the 67 I ordered to the NOS version. Jim You sent an email one day ago I normally answer within 5 days due to high volume incoming emails Just replied
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 11, 2018 15:33:20 GMT -6
Sorry, but I got to say, can you guys take your stam correspondence problem off line?
Seriously, enough is enough: start your own thread, please ?
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Post by Ward on Jun 12, 2018 13:00:49 GMT -6
Sorry, but I got to say, can you guys take your stam correspondence problem off line? Seriously, enough is enough: start your own thread, please ? Johnkenn , what do you think? It's your sandbox p.s. it's generally understood now that Joshua doesn't attend to replying to every email on an hourly basis...
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 12, 2018 16:07:18 GMT -6
Yeah - use the PM feature. It’s handy.
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Post by ericn on Jun 12, 2018 21:23:11 GMT -6
Yeah - use the PM feature. It’s handy. our Glorious Leader has spoken!
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Post by Vincent R. on Jun 13, 2018 7:22:41 GMT -6
It’s a shame people feel they need to reach out to Josh on multiple platforms in order to get some kind of answer to a single question.
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