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Post by pope on Nov 9, 2017 12:19:39 GMT -6
Did anyone see that coming? www.warmaudio.com/wa47I wonder how they dealt with the tube issue that was discussed on stam's thread. Not a great fan of Warm gear (at least from what I've tried myslef) but I'd be interested in giving this mic a try. |
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Post by Vincent R. on Nov 9, 2017 12:29:54 GMT -6
The WA-47 FET Jr. looks exactly like Advanced Audio's CM48. I'm curious about o hear how these sound. I haven't thought the clips of the WA-87 sounded like a real U87, but for a lot of people these will be great options for beginner mics.
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Post by Ward on Nov 9, 2017 12:31:17 GMT -6
Did anyone see that coming? Definitely. It was only a matter of time. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 9, 2017 13:16:26 GMT -6
Did anyone see that coming? www.warmaudio.com/wa47I wonder how they dealt with the tube issue that was discussed on stam's thread. Not a great fan of Warm gear (at least from what I've tried myslef) but I'd be interested in giving this mic a try. I believe stam's issueswas in replicating the dual 408a tube design and tube quality? |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 9, 2017 13:18:16 GMT -6
I was impressed by their U87 because of kcatthedog's tracks. His U47 and C12 didn't sound better for his voice than the Warm U87 style mic does. So this is interesting news for sure. Warm is reliable and after using the Chandler REDD for the last ten days, I already miss not having a big sounding classic tube mic to use. I was excited to see they're using a Tab/Funkenwerk transformer. I prefer those to other types. I don't know which model they are using, but the BV8 I had in my Blackspade mic was superb. www.warmaudio.com/wa47 |
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 9, 2017 13:20:51 GMT -6
bumf indicates the transformer has larger German laminations.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 9, 2017 13:21:26 GMT -6
what's bumf?
Oliver Archut of Tab Funkenwerk was decidedly German !
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 9, 2017 13:26:50 GMT -6
marketing blurb on their website: its a german term  |
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Post by pope on Nov 9, 2017 13:28:46 GMT -6
TBH I'm not sure what the problem is/ was. I thought it had to do with all the new 47 clones.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 9, 2017 13:30:31 GMT -6
well Joshua said the problem was finding a reliable supply of the tubes so switched up the design which drove up the price.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 9, 2017 14:15:58 GMT -6
Can't wait to hear this one. I'll see if I can get one to try when they're available.
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Post by stam on Nov 9, 2017 16:57:19 GMT -6
As somebody above posted the problem was the reliability on the dual pentode tube supply.
We use a single Telefunken NOS EF800 tube now which was a tweak in the design by Oliver to get this baby sounding close to the original.
We also upgraded the transformer to the very expensive BV08 by AMI which is not the same transformer used here, the price would be cost prohibitive.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 9, 2017 19:05:21 GMT -6
The BV08 is the transformer I had in my Blackspade. Oliver hand made that mic. I sold it a while back, but all the other transformers that were supposedly as good or better weren't. Since Stam's will have a BV08 in his, it'll be hard to beat. That transformer really made a huge difference in my experience.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Nov 9, 2017 22:19:22 GMT -6
So... it will sound like a $900 47?
These companies really have to stop with all of this. There is no magic potion. No tuning of the capsule or tube choice on a large scale manufacturing job will ever sound like a 47. Just not going to happen.
They need to pull from the pages of Chandler and make something unique with its own voice and cut the bs.
95% of the people that will purchase this have never heard and will never hear a real 47, and to simply market off the name alone is pretty awful imo.
Definitely not singling out warm either...
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Post by wiz on Nov 9, 2017 23:37:58 GMT -6
Did a little research on the tube they are using, 5751, saw some good, some bad comments...I think if its implemented well, should be good.
Good price.
There is also a 47Jr which is fet and comes in at 299 RRP... !!! same capsule.
Be interesting to see how it goes.. I like that it has multiple patterns..... was just thinking the other day, that I would like the Stam one to do fig 8 rather than omni.
cheers
Wiz
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 9, 2017 23:44:57 GMT -6
Most people would never buy a real 47 , the interesting thing to me isn’t how close it sounds to a 47 as no one has a new 47 to actually compare to:)
The interesting thing to me will be how good does this mike sound as it has been designed to be a 47 style mike. WA pays attention the critical design elements but produces to a price point,let’s remember the original 47 retailed for I believe $250 odd dollars.
Be interested to hear both these as they look like very good value !
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Post by rowmat on Nov 10, 2017 0:07:41 GMT -6
Most people would never buy a real 47 , the interesting thing to me isn’t how close it sounds to a 47 as no one has a new 47 to actually compare to:) The interesting thing to me will be how good does this mike sound as it has been designed to be a 47 style mike. WA pays attention the critical design elements but produces to a price point,let’s remember the original 47 retailed for I believe $250 odd dollars. Be interested to hear both these as they look like very good value ! Yeah but in 1950 the average US wage was about $50 per week. |
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Post by wiz on Nov 10, 2017 0:38:00 GMT -6
Most people would never buy a real 47 , the interesting thing to me isn’t how close it sounds to a 47 as no one has a new 47 to actually compare to:) The interesting thing to me will be how good does this mike sound as it has been designed to be a 47 style mike. WA pays attention the critical design elements but produces to a price point,let’s remember the original 47 retailed for I believe $250 odd dollars. Be interested to hear both these as they look like very good value ! Yeah but in 1950 the average US wage was about $50 per week. Strats were around 250 I believe as well at that time.... a 1957 Neumann, aint worth what a 57 Start is... 8) or 59 Les Paul... 8) cheers Wiz |
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Post by stam on Nov 10, 2017 3:55:24 GMT -6
So... it will sound like a $900 47? These companies really have to stop with all of this. There is no magic potion. No tuning of the capsule or tube choice on a large scale manufacturing job will ever sound like a 47. Just not going to happen. They need to pull from the pages of Chandler and make something unique with its own voice and cut the bs. 95% of the people that will purchase this have never heard and will never hear a real 47, and to simply market off the name alone is pretty awful imo. Definitely not singling out warm either... Well, you can, to the point weather neither you nor I would be able to select which one is the real one in a shootout. Most of these mics don't even sound the same between themselves, I had one particular vintage 87 shootout against the SA87 where nobody in a room with 10 engineers could tell a single difference while another one sounded different. 95% of the people that will purchase this have never heard and will never hear a real 47? probably, but a lot of people will, I have clients buying the SA47 from me who actually have original 47's and they are the biggest names the industry who can afford anything. You are paying tribute to an old mic, you respect the circuit and choice of components and try very hard to match it's tone, why would you call it something else?, it is your take or tribute on a classic. I think you should relax and let people enjoy their purchases and how much it can bring to their workflow instead of being bitter about it. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 10, 2017 3:58:46 GMT -6
Making and buying a clone is a choice? Personally, I am grateful that we have these options.
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Post by pope on Nov 10, 2017 5:48:13 GMT -6
You are paying tribute to an old mic Without sound funny, cloning/copying a circuit while trying to keep a low price isn't exactly what I would call "paying tribute". It's easy and quick money without any R&D or innovation involved, which is OK for many people I guess. No arguments here, but saying that Warm or Stam (or any similar company for that matter) "pay tribute to old gear" sounds a bit.... you know... BTW, sorry for the off topic. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 10, 2017 7:00:50 GMT -6
Did a little research on the tube they are using, 5751, saw some good, some bad comments...I think if its implemented well, should be good. Good price. There is also a 47Jr which is fet and comes in at 299 RRP... !!! same capsule. Be interesting to see how it goes.. I like that it has multiple patterns..... was just thinking the other day, that I would like the Stam one to do fig 8 rather than omni. cheers Wiz The 47jr is also transformerless, FWIW. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 10, 2017 7:03:14 GMT -6
Well in fairness to the people behind these companies and clones, Joshua could be commenting on his personal motivations"paying tribute" meaning being as respectful as possible to the original design but attempting to reengineer where required and to spec with parts that are available now ?
We all know that these new mikes are not actually the old original mike ( insert name of gear), but that doesn't mean the motivations and approach are not respectful ?
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Post by ericn on Nov 10, 2017 7:37:02 GMT -6
So... it will sound like a $900 47? These companies really have to stop with all of this. There is no magic potion. No tuning of the capsule or tube choice on a large scale manufacturing job will ever sound like a 47. Just not going to happen. They need to pull from the pages of Chandler and make something unique with its own voice and cut the bs. 95% of the people that will purchase this have never heard and will never hear a real 47, and to simply market off the name alone is pretty awful imo. Definitely not singling out warm either... They will as soon as we stop buying them! Besides R&D is much cheaper this way somebody has already done the hard work! |
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Post by adamjbrass on Nov 10, 2017 7:56:52 GMT -6
This mic isn't about having a 47. Its about looking like you have a 47. I already figured this out a while ago.
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