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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 23, 2017 13:50:49 GMT -6
"It's a very big microphone, therefore it gives a big sound." Genius. I wonder what will be next? I'm gonna guess a 1073. Nostradamus
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Post by drbill on Dec 23, 2017 16:00:49 GMT -6
I'm all for mics with NO sibilance, but doesn't that kind of mean by default that 3-8k is pretty much missing from the mic's linear spectrum? IMO, sibilance is best controlled by mic positioning, and then distance before capsule manipulation. Just my opinion though.
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Post by wiz on Dec 23, 2017 16:06:23 GMT -6
I'm all for mics with NO sibilance, but doesn't that kind of mean by default that 3-8k is pretty much missing from the mic's linear spectrum? IMO, sibilance is best controlled by mic positioning, and then distance before capsule manipulation. Just my opinion though. I get what you are thinking, but it didn't feel shy in that region...just not overemphasising it. I can't share the example, as I promised I wouldnt... When listening to it, I just thought it sounded really good... and was good value... regardless of its name. cheers Wiz
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 23, 2017 16:13:05 GMT -6
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Post by drbill on Dec 23, 2017 16:23:16 GMT -6
I'm all for mics with NO sibilance, but doesn't that kind of mean by default that 3-8k is pretty much missing from the mic's linear spectrum? IMO, sibilance is best controlled by mic positioning, and then distance before capsule manipulation. Just my opinion though. I get what you are thinking, but it didn't feel shy in that region...just not overemphasising it. I can't share the example, as I promised I wouldnt... When listening to it, I just thought it sounded really good... and was good value... regardless of its name. cheers Wiz i've heard that exact description elsewhere though - ZERO sibilance. It just makes me wonder. I consider ribbons (most not all) to have zero sibilance, but they are definitely on the decline - freq wise - at the 5k range. Logically, a mic is either flat, dipped, or boosted in that range. Of course we all know what the cheaper Chinese mics that are boosted in the range sound like. I'm most interested in a flat mic in that range, not one that's dipped to avoid sibilence. Just personal preference.
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Dec 23, 2017 17:11:03 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 23, 2017 17:11:03 GMT -6
from owner's manual:
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Post by drbill on Dec 23, 2017 18:12:45 GMT -6
I don't take much stock in those graphs. They've led me to believe wrong things about mics many times before. From that graph, it looks UP in the 2-6k range, dropping fairly quickly after 6k down to 8k. Some people have sibilance up above 6-8, but generally I always find it 4.5-5.5k-ish depending on vocalist. Still within the sibilance range. But I'll hold any judgement until I have one for audition. Graphs always lead me to assume inaccurate conclusions. Cheers, bp
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 23, 2017 18:14:30 GMT -6
Yes certainly best to audition, I just went looking and Warm does have info on its site now:)
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Post by rowmat on Dec 23, 2017 18:17:57 GMT -6
Most graphs, especially from budget manufacturers, are either cherry picked from a best case sample or downright BS. So yeah, use your ears and ignore the pictures.
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Post by ericn on Dec 24, 2017 11:30:11 GMT -6
Mic frequency response graphs are useless, you don't know the amount of smoothing or response at any other angle !
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Post by drbill on Dec 24, 2017 11:35:14 GMT -6
Both you guys said it so much more eloquently and accurately than I could.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 24, 2017 12:08:21 GMT -6
From user’s posting comments the buzz is positive!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 9:05:18 GMT -6
Mic frequency response graphs are useless, you don't know the amount of smoothing or response at any other angle ! For me, a multi-band polar response chart is much more valuable (as long as you can trust the manufacturer). If you're using any sort of stereo mic setup--especially XY, ORTF or Blumlein--that's going to tell you whether you'll have even frequency response across the soundstage. It will also tell you if you have to change the relative angle of the mics, depending on wherever the -3dB point is. Overall frequency response of the mic is important of course, but it's largely situational. Predictable and controlled off-axis response is often the mark of the better microphone.
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Post by ericn on Dec 27, 2017 9:35:11 GMT -6
Mic frequency response graphs are useless, you don't know the amount of smoothing or response at any other angle ! For me, a multi-band polar response chart is much more valuable (as long as you can trust the manufacturer). If you're using any sort of stereo mic setup--especially XY, ORTF or Blumlein--that's going to tell you whether you'll have even frequency response across the soundstage. It will also tell you if you have to change the relative angle of the mics, depending on wherever the -3dB point is. Overall frequency response of the mic is important of course, but it's largely situational. Predictable and controlled off-axis response is often the mark of the better microphone. Agreed unfortunately the smaller manufacturers lack access to the facilities to produce accurate polar response graphs! It seams when it comes to clones manufacturers would rather give us a graph that represents our expectations rather than something useful. I also believe the lack of understanding and fear of reality of polar patterns keeps manufacturers from spending the money to produce these graphs !
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 9:43:51 GMT -6
Overall frequency response of the mic is important of course, but it's largely situational. Predictable and controlled off-axis response is often the mark of the better microphone. Having said that, I did think of the most peculiar polar response I ever had in a mic. It was an old Sennheiser MD-421 and it was all over the place. But even that was useful to know. All you had to do was rotate the mic a few degrees and it was a completely different mic! But that goes to Eric's point of learning to read the polar chart (and it's not really that hard). If you have that information, you'll often find that you have more microphones than you think you have. Just a little twist or a little tilt may be all you need to tune it in.
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Post by ericn on Dec 27, 2017 10:02:42 GMT -6
Overall frequency response of the mic is important of course, but it's largely situational. Predictable and controlled off-axis response is often the mark of the better microphone. Having said that, I did think of the most peculiar polar response I ever had in a mic. It was an old Sennheiser MD-421 and it was all over the place. But even that was useful to know. All you had to do was rotate the mic a few degrees and it was a completely different mic! But that goes to Eric's point of learning to read the polar chart (and it's not really that hard). If you have that information, you'll often find that you have more microphones than you think you have. Just a little twist or a little tilt may be all you need to tune it in. I don't think the modern bedroom engineer spends as much time playing around and moving the mic around as we used to do! Part of this is there are just so many affordable mics that say they are different & more and more it's a musician who just wants to point and run! I remember each new mic I got my hands on was treasure and learning it what it could do was an adventure! Of course learning 2 old abused RE18's sounded completely different was a surprise!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 18:53:35 GMT -6
I don't think the modern bedroom engineer spends as much time playing around and moving the mic around as we used to do! Part of this is there are just so many affordable mics that say they are different & more and more it's a musician who just wants to point and run! I remember each new mic I got my hands on was treasure and learning it what it could do was an adventure! You know we're just one small step away from "Get off my lawn".
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Post by ericn on Dec 27, 2017 19:30:01 GMT -6
I don't think the modern bedroom engineer spends as much time playing around and moving the mic around as we used to do! Part of this is there are just so many affordable mics that say they are different & more and more it's a musician who just wants to point and run! I remember each new mic I got my hands on was treasure and learning it what it could do was an adventure! You know we're just one small step away from "Get off my lawn". Hey maybe that's why I live on the 21st floor, so I can't be that guy!😎
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Post by Ward on Dec 28, 2017 11:28:46 GMT -6
You know we're just one small step away from "Get off my lawn". Hey maybe that's why I live on the 21st floor, so I can't be that guy!😎 You're more that guy than an old coot sitting on his veranda with a shotgun and acre of grass in front of him. LOL
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Post by jdc on Dec 29, 2017 11:01:45 GMT -6
I love this forum but it is very much old vs. new at times, strictly for the sake of picking a side.
It's an important conversation to have though, as long as people come to it with an open mind for both sides.
I think new ideas and techniques and models are important to progress but that we should measure them against what we know to be good from the past, otherwise we're fumbling blindly without any regard to what our traditions have shown us to work.
But maybe that's just me.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 29, 2017 11:44:50 GMT -6
I find who knows what the old stuff sounded like new anyways and the 80/20 rule applies? A company like Warm provides a very good product, not exactly like original, but well priced with warranty.
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Post by plinker on Dec 30, 2017 11:26:30 GMT -6
I want to know how they are keeping the noise at 11 dBA?? What's the secret? Yes. I’m really curious about this as well. 11 dBa is the lowest noise I’ve seen in a tube mic.
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Post by Guitar on Jan 2, 2018 16:38:19 GMT -6
Well, it sounded pretty good on the spoken voice.
Bryce is a hell of a huckster, that's for sure. Sort of like an understated Steven Slate.
First we had the software flood of clones, now we get the hardware version!
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Post by Vincent R. on Feb 6, 2018 7:22:04 GMT -6
I hate pointing people toward the purple site, but someone posted a decent shootout a Vintage Neumann U47, Neumann M147, GAP GA-47, and the WA-47. It starts on page 14 of the thread with spoken word and piano and continues on page 15 with female vocals: www.gearslutz.com/board/product-alerts-older-than-2-months/1186805-warm-audio-introduces-wa-47-tube-condenser-microphone-14.htmlKey: Mic1 - Neumann M147 Mic2 - Warm Audio WA-47 Mic3 - Golden Age Project GA-47 Mic4 - Neumann U47 I have to admit, I thought mic1 was the U47, because that low end was so similar to the Wagner U47W I had used and due to the saturation characteristics on the vocal sample, but my favorite mic and the one I thought was most balanced was Mic 4. It reminded me of jtc111’s FleA 47 with a big balanced low end and a sweet and even high end. I figured it was the other Neumann, the M147. Mic2 has all the characteristics I expected from a Warm microphone; in the ballpark, brighter & thinner, with something missing. I gave GAP Mic 3 by default, and to it’s credit it’s nicely balanced when compared to the vintage U47. Those are my thoughts anyway.
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Post by ragan on Feb 6, 2018 9:09:05 GMT -6
I hate pointing people toward the purple site, but someone posted a decent shootout a Vintage Neumann U47, Neumann M147, GAP GA-47, and the WA-47. It starts on page 14 of the thread with spoken word and piano and continues on page 15 with female vocals: www.gearslutz.com/board/product-alerts-older-than-2-months/1186805-warm-audio-introduces-wa-47-tube-condenser-microphone-14.htmlKey: Mic1 - Neumann M147 Mic2 - Warm Audio WA-47 Mic3 - Golden Age Project GA-47 Mic4 - Neumann U47 I have to admit, I thought mic1 was the U47, because that low end was so similar to the Wagner U47W I had used and due to the saturation characteristics on the vocal sample, but my favorite mic and the one I thought was most balanced was Mic 4. It reminded me of jtc111’s FleA 47 with a big balanced low end and a sweet and even high end. I figured it was the other Neumann, the M147. Mic2 has all the characteristics I expected from a Warm microphone; in the ballpark, brighter & thinner, with something missing. I gave GAP Mic 3 by default, and to it’s credit it’s nicely balanced when compared to the vintage U47. Those are my thoughts anyway. You posted the answers! Now we’ll definitely hear how superior the Neumanns are. I liked 3,4,2.1. I’m really impressed with that GAP. May grab one someday. Anyone know what capsule Bo is using?
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