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Post by ChaseUTB on Oct 21, 2017 15:06:35 GMT -6
Are you referring to me? Cranky about what, life is great and I am very appreciative. Bullshit meter is going crazy though. I am Sorry. Yeah, you guys are right, You don’t need any experience with said gear to know it’s the best. Also, everyone needs a Chandler Redd Mic b/c It is the best mic ever and makes you sound better than a 47, 67, 251, c12! “ I have the Chandler REDD for a week, and it is to me, the best sounding mic ever made. It defies your senses that it can actually sound better than a U67 or an Elam 251, yet it does. In comparison, a U67 sounds a little nasal and compressed. But for me, I may just be more compatible with a 67. I haven't really gotten down to tracking with the REDD yet, so it may change my mind.” Read more: realgearonline.com/thread/7758/omg-251-miracles?page=1#ixzz4wB9ZfmAX
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Post by aremos on Oct 21, 2017 15:12:39 GMT -6
To the person that disliked the Chandler because "it sounds like the C800G", that's precisely why it's a great mic. It's definitely, at least, in the ballpark of the Sony. It is a very FULL sounding mic that brings out all the frequencies and in a balanced way. It's not a heavy mid frequency (nasal) mic like a U87.
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 21, 2017 15:14:43 GMT -6
Hey John, So basically what it all boils down to is it's an Upton mic with a completely different capsule that Shannon created? Or is it an Upton mic with it's capsule tweaked ... & retweaked - which, I guess, renders it a "different" capsule also? I begin to wonder things like "how would it sound with a Tim Campbell capsule", etc. But at least you've arrived where you wanted to ... At least for now. The Upton capsule was replaced with Shannon's ck12. I've not used Tim's capsules, but what I've heard of them is that they sound fantastic. I knew Shannon could tweak a capsule for me, and I've had several mics with his caps in them, so I knew what could be done. And this isn't some magical voodoo...Basically, the "tweaking" is adjusting capacitance, spacing, quality and thickness of sputtering. Whatever the hell it is, it changes the sound and tone of the mic. I had one of the first iterations of the Upton and from what I know, I think Dallas has changed some of his process. It wasn't bad at all - just didn't work on my shriek. Dallas was extremely kind and offered to tweak for me...but he's a $75 Fed Ex charge away and Shannon is right down the street. BTW - I know several people that have bought the Upton in the last few months that have been blown away with it. What I figured when buying is that even if I didn't LOVE the capsule, I could have Shannon put one in and still be less than HALF what a Telefunken Reissue would cost. The Upton metal work is just flawless. It's absolutely spot on aesthetically...and the power supply and build on it is flawless.
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Post by ragan on Oct 21, 2017 15:36:01 GMT -6
Are you referring to me? Cranky about what, life is great and I am very appreciative. Bullshit meter is going crazy though. I am Sorry. Yeah, you guys are right, You don’t need any experience with said gear to know it’s the best. Also, everyone needs a Chandler Redd Mic b/c It is the best mic ever and makes you sound better than a 47, 67, 251, c12! “ I have the Chandler REDD for a week, and it is to me, the best sounding mic ever made. It defies your senses that it can actually sound better than a U67 or an Elam 251, yet it does. In comparison, a U67 sounds a little nasal and compressed. But for me, I may just be more compatible with a 67. I haven't really gotten down to tracking with the REDD yet, so it may change my mind.” Read more: realgearonline.com/thread/7758/omg-251-miracles?page=1#ixzz4wB9ZfmAXDude what are you on about??? Is your criticism of Martin that he's never tried the mic or that he likes it too much? Because those are mutually exclusive. Also, Martin's praise of the thing is "bordering on BS" but other random GS dude's description of it is totally solid and objective? Why so snappy?
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Post by spock on Oct 21, 2017 16:19:20 GMT -6
Hey ChaseUTB and all... I think there's some confusion here...actually Martin John Butler has indeed already used the microphone and his post is his response/reaction to using the microphone thus far; his intention is to do a proper tracking of a song using it again this coming week. I hope that clears this up.
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Post by c0rtland on Oct 21, 2017 16:33:18 GMT -6
OMG is correct
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 21, 2017 17:03:03 GMT -6
I have done the opposite of what I usually do and decided to remain calm and not shoot off at the mouth. But let’s just stop with the bickering.
Damn, the mic sounds great.
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Post by veggieryan on Oct 21, 2017 17:09:29 GMT -6
Ah crap, now I have to send my SR modded 251/CV4 back and ask for the "Johnkenn" treatment... oh well, at least I know what to ask for now! Mine opened up with the NOS military unobtanium tube I scored but it does now accentuate my nasal and shrill voice a bit more. Yours is sounding exactly like I want mine to. Friggin vocal sounds PERFECT. How much do you think the power supply is affecting the tone? I really don't trust this stock Miktek power supply. I got my eye on this new Grimm tube mic power supply... some pretty bold claims: www.grimmaudio.com/pro-products/microphones/mp1/"In any audio device, the power supply is a significant contributor to sonic success or failure. In tube microphones this is even more so than anywhere else. The MP1 allows you to realise the full potential of your treasured vintage or contemporary tube mic. Hear your mike as never before. “The MP1 allows you to realise the full potential of your treasured vintage or contemporary tube mic” The 'MP1 | Grimm' re-writes the book on tube mic supplies. Drawing from the extensive expertise gained designing the supplies used in the AD1 and CC1 products, the MP1 uses discrete voltage regulators, a shunt regulator for the anode supply and a high precision series one for the filament supply. The anode supply offers noise as low as -100 dBV (in average 20 dB better than existing supplies) and the 'shunt' design turns the regulator into an active decoupling device, eliminating electrolytics. Voltages are factory pre-set to match the customer's microphone specs."
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Post by yotonic on Oct 21, 2017 18:02:33 GMT -6
Tony Campbell told me I could get my SM7 to sound just as good if I leave it in my freezer with a bottle of Russian Vodka for a week. I'll do a shootout with domestic vodkas as well, they might impart more air...
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Post by winetree on Oct 21, 2017 18:48:24 GMT -6
Every mic sound sounds good after a few shots of chilled vodka.
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Post by jakeharris on Oct 21, 2017 20:14:07 GMT -6
To the person that disliked the Chandler because "it sounds like the C800G", that's precisely why it's a great mic. It's definitely, at least, in the ballpark of the Sony. It is a very FULL sounding mic that brings out all the frequencies and in a balanced way. It's not a heavy mid frequency (nasal) mic like a U87. There's nothing wrong with a bright mic. All that means is plenty of high frequencies vs. dark and not plenty of high frequencies. More modern vs. older more bandwidth limited sound. Unless they're harsh or muffled, both are really useful sounds in a studio. (They didn't dislike the mic btw, they really liked it. They just already had that sound covered with something else)
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Post by popmann on Oct 21, 2017 21:08:38 GMT -6
Sounds lovely to me.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 21, 2017 21:11:48 GMT -6
Chase, you need to chill my friend. First off, I have decades of experience at this whole thing. That doesn't make what I say sacrosanct or gospel, but man, a little respect will win you lots more connections and help than the way you've been coming at people here sometimes.
Second, please don't criticize again me publicly about personal things you have no knowledge of. We've PM'd before, you know where to find me. Before you were born I was sitting in Electric Ladyland playing through Jimi Hendrix's Marshall 100, before that I was at Bell Sound where Buddy Holly once stood, my first label album was done in the studio built for Toscanini to record the NBC orchestra. Experience tempers my statements, and if I say the REDD may be the best mic ever made, it not bullshit or hype. My experience, helpfulness and support of worthy manufacturers, and well won reputation is why I've had access to some of the things I do. It didn't fall from the clouds.
The Chandler REDD absolutely belongs in the world class mic category. Of course your taste may vary, but the whole point of the REDD is that it's a contender, it's new, has a strong company backing the warranty, and although far too expensive for me at this time, it's a fantastic price point when you consider it compares favorably to the holy grail mics like the U47, 251, C12, etc.
Now John has mentioned he's still curious about the REDD, and he said it in such a fun way, we can relate since we all have some gear lust or we wouldn't be here. I think the vibe of the track he posted was incredible, the most moving sound of his I've heard yet. If he wants to take a peek at a REDD, why not. It might make him even happier about his mic, and if he happens to find the REDD even sweeter, well then that's his holy grail and I'd be glad for him.
There's no confusion on my end. I had my brother in law's 86 year old mother come from Seattle to stay with me for 5 days on a trip of a lifetime to see Bette Midler in Hello Dolly, so my place and time was booked. I'm also recovering from some nasty medical stuff, and will hopefully get to some more tracking later this week. I've done enough already to know how good the REDD is, I just wasn't at my best when trying to record something I'd like to keep.
Oh, and IMO, the REDD is certainly not brighter than a mint C12 or 251, although the high end shares some similar qualities.
John's heard the REDD, and just the fact it's on his mind after hearing how lovely his mic sounds now is proof enough the Chandler is worthy of further attention.
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 21, 2017 21:14:54 GMT -6
Ah crap, now I have to send my SR modded 251/CV4 back and ask for the "Johnkenn" treatment... oh well, at least I know what to ask for now! Mine opened up with the NOS military unobtanium tube I scored but it does now accentuate my nasal and shrill voice a bit more. Yours is sounding exactly like I want mine to. Friggin vocal sounds PERFECT. How much do you think the power supply is affecting the tone? I really don't trust this stock Miktek power supply. I got my eye on this new Grimm tube mic power supply... some pretty bold claims: www.grimmaudio.com/pro-products/microphones/mp1/"In any audio device, the power supply is a significant contributor to sonic success or failure. In tube microphones this is even more so than anywhere else. The MP1 allows you to realise the full potential of your treasured vintage or contemporary tube mic. Hear your mike as never before. “The MP1 allows you to realise the full potential of your treasured vintage or contemporary tube mic” The 'MP1 | Grimm' re-writes the book on tube mic supplies. Drawing from the extensive expertise gained designing the supplies used in the AD1 and CC1 products, the MP1 uses discrete voltage regulators, a shunt regulator for the anode supply and a high precision series one for the filament supply. The anode supply offers noise as low as -100 dBV (in average 20 dB better than existing supplies) and the 'shunt' design turns the regulator into an active decoupling device, eliminating electrolytics. Voltages are factory pre-set to match the customer's microphone specs." Dude - send it and I'll take mine over to him.
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 21, 2017 21:16:20 GMT -6
Tony Campbell told me I could get my SM7 to sound just as good if I leave it in my freezer with a bottle of Russian Vodka for a week. I'll do a shootout with domestic vodkas as well, they might impart more air... I lol'd. Although I kinda miss the drama Tony brought. He's not banned anymore btw...
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 21, 2017 21:36:00 GMT -6
There's no way I could sell this mic now. But that doesn't make me want the REDD any less. I probably could have avoided this whole journey by buying the thing in the first place (although I don't think it was announced)...
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 21, 2017 21:38:21 GMT -6
Points taken. I'll try to find some new less sensational superlatives Johnken said:"There's no way I could sell this mic now. But that doesn't make me want the REDD any less. I probably could have avoided this whole journey by buying the thing in the first place (although I don't think it was announced)...
I'm so glad you said that John. The sound and emotion that vocal communicated was truly moving, and I think it would be a mistake not to keep it available for your vocals. I also agree that if you had bought the Chandler in the first place, you probably wouldn't have been looking around.
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Post by bluegrassdan on Oct 21, 2017 23:19:32 GMT -6
John, that mic is doing what great gear does. It steps aside and allows every nuance of your voice to be heard in a musical way. All I'm thinking about is your song - the lyrics, the inflections in your voice - it sounds like there's nothing between you and the listener.
You've got a keeper. Great performance too!
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Post by wiz on Oct 21, 2017 23:56:29 GMT -6
Shannon just freaking knocked this thing out of the freaking park - at least in my opinion. I’ve love this mic. Thought it was great stock (I had one of the early iterations, so I think Dallas has made adjustments) and thought it was even better when I got Shannon’s cap and a Mullard 6072 in it...but it still felt a little pointy to me...a little nasally. Still the best mic I’ve owned...but I didn’t want to sleep with it under my pillow at night. I had been considering selling it - even put it up a couple places to put feelers out. Shannon wanted to try and tweak again, so I went over tonight and holy shit. Nail on the freaking head. I mean, just fantastic. So I recorded this (Dan B’s vid inspired me)...so here’s one of my super Country tunes...without ahem tuning (I’m determined to start weening off). I would have sang it a few more times, but the point is the mic. This is the Upton 251 with Shannon’s CK12 —> VP28 —> Retro Sta-Level —> Svartbox. No EQ. Cheap old Epiphone with a Soyuz 013 on the neck and 251 up high pointing down towards the bridge. drive.google.com/open?id=0B5N4swnMcKWMNktfSXM0YURzWTQGeeze buddy!!! you gotta be sated with that. thats really a very special performance cheers Wiz
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Post by ChaseUTB on Oct 22, 2017 3:18:22 GMT -6
Must be multiple variations then because I know that user and that user has no reason to BS, he wanted to purchase a pair of the REDD mics but found them way too close to his Sony C800’s .. He said he will Be demoing again soon to see if anything has changed.. Paul G from Morcheeba is who I am referring too, and no his word is not gospel, just experiences from using said mics. Well, ok. But I'm directly refuting that claim...so, does that count? I guess everyone should judge for themselves. How often do you use or did you use the c800g with the REDD mic? I consider your experiences with this mic are just as valid as anyone else. I would also believe you if you said the REDD mic sounds better than your Upton on your voice or more voices? Why? Because you use and know the Upton well.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Oct 22, 2017 3:46:09 GMT -6
Chase, you need to chill my friend. First off, I have decades of experience at this whole thing. That doesn't make what I say sacrosanct or gospel, but man, a little respect will win you lots more connections and help than the way you've been coming at people here sometimes. Second, please don't criticize again me publicly about personal things you have no knowledge of. We've PM'd before, you know where to find me. Before you were born I was sitting in Electric Ladyland playing through Jimi Hendrix's Marshall 100, before that I was at Bell Sound where Buddy Holly once stood, my first label album was done in the studio built for Toscanini to record the NBC orchestra. Experience tempers my statements, and if I say the REDD may be the best mic ever made, it not bullshit or hype. My experience, helpfulness and support of worthy manufacturers, and well won reputation is why I've had access to some of the things I do. It didn't fall from the clouds. The Chandler REDD absolutely belongs in the world class mic category. Of course your taste may vary, but the whole point of the REDD is that it's a contender, it's new, has a strong company backing the warranty, and although far too expensive for me at this time, it's a fantastic price point when you consider it compares favorably to the holy grail mics like the U47, 251, C12, etc. First of all I am very chill. I was joking about you making posts and not making music with the mic if you only have it a week. We have spoke plenty before so you should know that. Chandler wants to sell you a mic, that’s why you have one on loan. To me, supporting a brand is purchasing their gear, using then telling people how you love it or don’t because of x x x x x Again the only issue I had was this quote I will post below. I been told my math sucks on this board so I’m sure someone will say my reading comprehension does too.. “I have the Chandler REDD for a week, and it is to me, the best sounding mic ever made. It defies your senses that it can actually sound better than a U67 or an Elam 251, yet it does. In comparison, a U67 sounds a little nasal and compressed. But for me, I may just be more compatible with a 67. I haven't really gotten down to tracking with the REDD yet, so it may change my mind.” Read more: realgearonline.com/thread/7758/omg-251-miracles?page=2#ixzz4wEH2CFmH “ ]Second of all, you always talk about your finances and how everything Music related $ is a stretch ( is for me and most of us ) .. We have pm’d before and you should know I am trying to help because I have always taken the time too. You are always looking for ways to improve your recordings and room treatment will. We have discussed this before, to which you say you can’t turn your living room into a studio. To which I understood and that’s why I suggested the artsy decorative stuff 🤠 To everyone else ... I’m gone.. I will take a break from here.. I can see my Input is not wanted or needed.. Also, when JK says I’m cranky, then that automatically makes people read/ interpret my posts as if I am mad when that is not the case. Enjoy your Chandler Gear and make kick ass Music with it ..
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Post by ChaseUTB on Oct 22, 2017 3:52:43 GMT -6
Are you referring to me? Cranky about what, life is great and I am very appreciative. Bullshit meter is going crazy though. I am Sorry. Yeah, you guys are right, You don’t need any experience with said gear to know it’s the best. Also, everyone needs a Chandler Redd Mic b/c It is the best mic ever and makes you sound better than a 47, 67, 251, c12! “ I have the Chandler REDD for a week, and it is to me, the best sounding mic ever made. It defies your senses that it can actually sound better than a U67 or an Elam 251, yet it does. In comparison, a U67 sounds a little nasal and compressed. But for me, I may just be more compatible with a 67. I haven't really gotten down to tracking with the REDD yet, so it may change my mind.” Read more: realgearonline.com/thread/7758/omg-251-miracles?page=1#ixzz4wB9ZfmAXDude what are you on about??? Is your criticism of Martin that he's never tried the mic or that he likes it too much? Because those are mutually exclusive. Also, Martin's praise of the thing is "bordering on BS" but other random GS dude's description of it is totally solid and objective? Why so snappy? Because he used the mics with his c800 (67,c12, etc) together and that his experience/ opinion..He isn’t selling Chandler mics, he wanted to buy them. His experience is not gospel at all. MJB in the post you quoted said he has gotten down to tracking with it ( using it ) ... not being snappy at all. Don’t understand how this mic can be the best ever and not used it. But Then Spock says he has used it.. So idk I’m good bro and it’s not even a big deal. I am not in the market for this mic. And will be taking a leave of absence! Hope the baby is doing great!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2017 4:30:23 GMT -6
Points taken. I'll try to find some new less sensational superlatives
supercalifragilisticexpialidocious? ps ChaseUTB if you need advice on a theatrical exit, I'm yer man .....
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 22, 2017 6:55:07 GMT -6
Just to be clear, I've used the REDD all day one day last week in a variety of ways, I just wasn't in good form, or I'd post something. It was plenty of time to get a feel for what it is.
I may have misinterpreted Chase's post, but I felt it was a bit angry and scolding or something, so I just wanted to clarify where I'm coming from. Chase, don't go bro, maybe take a little break? I sometimes take a day or two to re-focus on priorities, it's so easy to get lost in all the interesting things being discussed online.
I could see superlatives might annoy people if it was coming from a newbie or a wiseguy. But I don't ever rave about things that have issues. I've picked nits on $2,400 mics, criticized $1,600 speakers, been frustrated with GUI's and so many other things. I'm actually quite neutral in the sense that expensive doesn't equal good to me, a product has to be good.
The Chandler raves of mine are simply because the mic is spooky good. I've had experience with Neumann's for decades, and have spent some time with vintage C12's, and am familiar with ELAM 251's. I tried so many mics at home, it's almost a joke, and John has obviously been through a closet full too.
So many well made and decent sounding mics had fatal flaws for my voice. So when I plugged in the Chandler I was taken aback, because it felt even better than a 47 in the low end to me, and had something like the smooth quality of 251 on the top end, and the capsule didn't cringe at all no matter how hard I hit it. It seemed like it wasn't possible to me, but there it was. Of course the mic sounds like itself, but we need the benchmark mics as reference points for purposes of discussion.
Of course when I have more time with it, I'll know if every detail is the best fit for me, but it was obvious it belonged in the same league as the classics, which was wonderful news to me. The Soyuz 0-17 was in that league too, and I still wish I could afford one.
The shifting paradigm of royalty and fee payments in the music business has made many of us who were used to fair pay struggle to keep up with the quality our ears had become accustomed to because we can't afford it any more. This s why the home recording boom and clone markets have taken off. An LA2A or EQP-1A at $400-$900 is by nature of interest to those of us who simply can't write a check for the real things anymore.
I'd love to hear John's new mic for myself one day. Next time I'm in Nashville I hope to meet with Sinsay, after hearing what he did with John new mic's tweaks, I'm seriously impressed.
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Post by drsax on Oct 22, 2017 8:57:58 GMT -6
Shannon just freaking knocked this thing out of the freaking park - at least in my opinion. I’ve love this mic. Thought it was great stock (I had one of the early iterations, so I think Dallas has made adjustments) and thought it was even better when I got Shannon’s cap and a Mullard 6072 in it...but it still felt a little pointy to me...a little nasally. Still the best mic I’ve owned...but I didn’t want to sleep with it under my pillow at night. I had been considering selling it - even put it up a couple places to put feelers out. Shannon wanted to try and tweak again, so I went over tonight and holy shit. Nail on the freaking head. I mean, just fantastic. So I recorded this (Dan B’s vid inspired me)...so here’s one of my super Country tunes...without ahem tuning (I’m determined to start weening off). I would have sang it a few more times, but the point is the mic. This is the Upton 251 with Shannon’s CK12 —> VP28 —> Retro Sta-Level —> Svartbox. No EQ. Cheap old Epiphone with a Soyuz 013 on the neck and 251 up high pointing down towards the bridge. drive.google.com/open?id=0B5N4swnMcKWMNktfSXM0YURzWTQSounds absolutely stellar Johnkenn - your voice sounds amazing, the mic as well, and beautiful song. Nice work man. As always
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