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Post by drsax on Oct 22, 2017 9:12:20 GMT -6
ChaseUTB - sorry to hear you're taking a break. I took your comment as cranky too. Actually I thought Johnkenn usage of the word cranky was subtle and easy on you. Personally I would have taken that to heart from the forum admin even if you disagreed. Your post to JMB came off pretty harsh to me. And your response and bringing up his financial situation also not cool IMO. If he chooses to mention that from time to time that's one thing. But for someone to make light of that, well, it's a stab and not very thoughtful. From my standpoint, your input and experience has always and is welcome in this forum, but there's no need to criticize when you disagree. But rather than bail, maybe sometimes it's better to just own something, even if you don't see it. If several others took it that way, it's probably how it came off to most. We've all got opinions and egos. But when our view and passion for gear outshines our respect and treatment of others, then things are probably out of check. I'm sure most of us are guilty of that from time to time. But, of all things on this earth, as much as I LOVE gear, I would suggest that people are by far the most important.
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Post by ragan on Oct 22, 2017 9:42:39 GMT -6
Dude what are you on about??? Is your criticism of Martin that he's never tried the mic or that he likes it too much? Because those are mutually exclusive. Also, Martin's praise of the thing is "bordering on BS" but other random GS dude's description of it is totally solid and objective? Why so snappy? Because he used the mics with his c800 (67,c12, etc) together and that his experience/ opinion..He isn’t selling Chandler mics, he wanted to buy them. His experience is not gospel at all. MJB in the post you quoted said he has gotten down to tracking with it ( using it ) ... not being snappy at all. Don’t understand how this mic can be the best ever and not used it. But Then Spock says he has used it.. So idk I’m good bro and it’s not even a big deal. I am not in the market for this mic. And will be taking a leave of absence! Hope the baby is doing great! As has been explained a couple of times, he's used the mic. But that's not really the point. You probably can't be receptive to this right now, and I get that, I get defensive too, but you sometimes go from zero to sixty out of nowhere with biting comments. I'll be reading along, going "yeah...ok...good point" and then, out of left field, it's "whoah! Why the hell is he being so bitchy?" It's got nothing to do with what JohnKenn posts. If it's possible for you, consider the possibility that you're not coming across in your posts the way you think you are (i.e. reasonable and "chill"). Take a break if you'd like, obviously that's purely up to you. But give what everyone here has said a little thought. Best to you. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 22, 2017 9:54:08 GMT -6
Thanks guys. My statements being called bullshit was beyond the pale to me. Anyway, I'll try to do some things with the REDD next week and post if they come out nicely enough to represent it well.
Meanwhile, I'd like to hear some more John Kennedy tracks done with that mic. His sound went from excellent to emotionally moving, and that difference is actually huge, and the very thing he's been searching for all this time.
It gives me hope I'll eventually find and own my own holy grail mic. Right now, either the Max mod 67, the Soyuz 0-17 or the REDD are very compatible. perhaps I can reach that zone with a Sinsay mod. I'll have to be patient though, since it will be a while before I'm in purchasing mode again.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 22, 2017 10:02:21 GMT -6
Thanks guys. My statements being called bullshit was beyond the pale to me. Anyway, I'll try to do some things with the REDD next week and post if they come out nicely enough to represent it well. Meanwhile, I'd like to hear some more John Kennedy tracks done with that mic. His sound went from excellent to emotionally moving, and that difference is actually huge, and the very thing he's been searching for all this time. It gives me hope I'll eventually find and own my own holy grail mic. Right now, either the Max mod 67, the Soyuz 0-17 or the REDD would do nicely. FWIW, when I read your post about the REDD, my BS meter went off too. You basically said it's one of the best mics ever, but haven't had a chance to track with it. Seems like a lot of hyperbole with minimal experience. I know, for me at least, I need some real time with something before I'll make claims like that. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 22, 2017 10:23:10 GMT -6
Dude what are you on about??? Is your criticism of Martin that he's never tried the mic or that he likes it too much? Because those are mutually exclusive. Also, Martin's praise of the thing is "bordering on BS" but other random GS dude's description of it is totally solid and objective? Why so snappy? Because he used the mics with his c800 (67,c12, etc) together and that his experience/ opinion..He isn’t selling Chandler mics, he wanted to buy them. His experience is not gospel at all. MJB in the post you quoted said he has gotten down to tracking with it ( using it ) ... not being snappy at all. Don’t understand how this mic can be the best ever and not used it. But Then Spock says he has used it.. So idk I’m good bro and it’s not even a big deal. I am not in the market for this mic. And will be taking a leave of absence! Hope the baby is doing great! Probably a good idea. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 22, 2017 10:24:10 GMT -6
ChaseUTB - sorry to hear you're taking a break. I took your comment as cranky too. Actually I thought Johnkenn usage of the word cranky was subtle and easy on you. Personally I would have taken that to heart from the forum admin even if I disagreed. Your post to JMB came off pretty harsh to me. And your response and bringing up his financial situation also not cool IMO. If he chooses to mention that from time to time that's one thing. But for someone to make light of that, well, it's a stab and not very thoughtful. From my standpoint, your input and experience has always and is welcome in this forum, but there's no need to criticize when you disagree. But rather than bail, maybe sometimes it's better to just own something, even if you don't see it. If several others took it that way, it's probably how it came off to most. We've all got opinions and egos. But when our view and passion for gear outshines our respect and treatment of others, then things are probably out of check. I'm sure most of us are guilty of that from time to time. But, of all things on this earth, as much as I LOVE gear, I would suggest that people are by far the most important. Go read Chase's last 20 or so posts. They speak for themselves. I was being very kind with only using the word "cranky." |
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 22, 2017 10:32:48 GMT -6
Thanks guys. My statements being called bullshit was beyond the pale to me. Anyway, I'll try to do some things with the REDD next week and post if they come out nicely enough to represent it well. Meanwhile, I'd like to hear some more John Kennedy tracks done with that mic. His sound went from excellent to emotionally moving, and that difference is actually huge, and the very thing he's been searching for all this time. It gives me hope I'll eventually find and own my own holy grail mic. Right now, either the Max mod 67, the Soyuz 0-17 or the REDD would do nicely. FWIW, when I read your post about the REDD, my BS meter went off too. You basically said it's one of the best mics ever, but haven't had a chance to track with it. Seems like a lot of hyperbole with minimal experience. I know, for me at least, I need some real time with something before I'll make claims like that. Well, I agree...it was hyperbolic. But it's a small community here and we all know what the score is. We've spent two pages arguing about this and it's EXACTLY why I got tired of GS. So, I sit here wondering whether I should delete all those posts (which I probably should) and keep it on topic. Then I would be accused of censoring....All of it pisses me off to the point where I'm like "screw this..." I was reading a post on Facebook where someone had linked a RGO thread and some tatted up joke of a producer was mocking it like we were a bunch of amateurs. Which makes me want to ask A) What's wrong with amateurs and B) Want to compare credits? Sorry...I'm just pissy right now. If this board has taught me anything, it has confirmed that there's a large segment that is terribly insecure and it's all about power struggle. |
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Post by ragan on Oct 22, 2017 11:11:43 GMT -6
FWIW, when I read your post about the REDD, my BS meter went off too. You basically said it's one of the best mics ever, but haven't had a chance to track with it. Seems like a lot of hyperbole with minimal experience. I know, for me at least, I need some real time with something before I'll make claims like that. Well, I agree...it was hyperbolic. But it's a small community here and we all know what the score is. We've spent two pages arguing about this and it's EXACTLY why I got tired of GS. So, I sit here wondering whether I should delete all those posts (which I probably should) and keep it on topic. Then I would be accused of censoring....All of it pisses me off to the point where I'm like "screw this..." I was reading a post on Facebook where someone had linked a RGO thread and some tatted up joke of a producer was mocking it like we were a bunch of amateurs. Which makes me want to ask A) What's wrong with amateurs and B) Want to compare credits? Sorry...I'm just pissy right now. If this board has taught me anything, it has confirmed that there's a large segment that is terribly insecure and it's all about power struggle. "Tatted up joke of a producer Facebook comments" are things I find particularly discardable. Eff that guy. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 22, 2017 11:42:36 GMT -6
Yikes, I did in fact track dozens of vocals with it, and a half dozen guitar tracks. It's my fault if I was unclear. I'd mentioned that I wasn't happy with my performances and I meant I haven't tracked anything I can keep and post. It would be ridiculous to make the claims I made having used it for five minutes. I thought I was known better than that.
Whoever thinks it's hype to say the REDD is in the same league as a U47 or 251 hasn't tried it yet. You'd have no doubt what it is if you did. I'd bet any skeptics would say "Holy $hit" if they did try it.
I was mainly excited by the idea that I could share my highly favorable impression with the guys here, since many of you are looking at some pricey mics, you wouldn't want to pass by the REDD without seeing for yourself.
John's had a long ride to arrive at his destination of finding a mic with great character without extra ess or the pinch of a stressed capsule. I'm so happy he got there, and I'm really impressed by Shannon's work. Of course there is no "one mic fits all" microphone, but consensus is a Neumann U47, 67, C12, or 251 is gonna sound really good on a lot of people and instruments.
The perfect fit takes time and effort to find. The thing with the REDD is it becomes quickly apparent there are no obvious flaws. That doesn't mean it's the best mic for everyone, they may very well be more suited to something different. But I stand by my statement it may very well be the best mic ever made. That seemed impossible to me when I tried it, so using it was a bit unnerving, but it was undeniably special.
Kcat bought two Warm WA87's after his using high end U47 clones and a C12 clone. The Warm's fit him so much better, keeping his other mics made no sense. So, to quote from the play "Ain't Misbehavin' ", one never knows, do one".
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Post by guitfiddler on Oct 22, 2017 14:45:08 GMT -6
I really want to demo a REDD!!!
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Post by yotonic on Oct 22, 2017 14:55:42 GMT -6
Sorry I have to disagree with Martin too. The best John's voice has ever sounded (like a lot of guys) is this 1073 and Wunder CM7. Attachment Deleted"I open doors to places..." doesn't get harsh or pokey in his register as some of his other mics have. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 22, 2017 15:42:59 GMT -6
That mic sounded good but it is absolutely that big 47 mid imprint. Not really great for a pop mix. Plus, no telling what kind of EQ is on that vocal. Wish I had that too, but I prefer the 251
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Post by johneppstein on Oct 22, 2017 15:52:14 GMT -6
Just to be clear, I've used the REDD all day one day last week in a variety of ways, I just wasn't in good form, or I'd post something. It was plenty of time to get a feel for what it is. I may have misinterpreted Chase's post, but I felt it was a bit angry and scolding or something, so I just wanted to clarify where I'm coming from. Chase, don't go bro, maybe take a little break? I sometimes take a day or two to re-focus on priorities, it's so easy to get lost in all the interesting things being discussed online. I could see superlatives might annoy people if it was coming from a newbie or a wiseguy. But I don't ever rave about things that have issues. I've picked nits on $2,400 mics, criticized $1,600 speakers, been frustrated with GUI's and so many other things. I'm actually quite neutral in the sense that expensive doesn't equal good to me, a product has to be good. The Chandler raves of mine are simply because the mic is spooky good. I've had experience with Neumann's for decades, and have spent some time with vintage C12's, and am familiar with ELAM 251's. I tried so many mics at home, it's almost a joke, and John has obviously been through a closet full too. So many well made and decent sounding mics had fatal flaws for my voice. So when I plugged in the Chandler I was taken aback, because it felt even better than a 47 in the low end to me, and had something like the smooth quality of 251 on the top end, and the capsule didn't cringe at all no matter how hard I hit it. It seemed like it wasn't possible to me, but there it was. Of course the mic sounds like itself, but we need the benchmark mics as reference points for purposes of discussion. Of course when I have more time with it, I'll know if every detail is the best fit for me, but it was obvious it belonged in the same league as the classics, which was wonderful news to me. The Soyuz 0-17 was in that league too, and I still wish I could afford one. The shifting paradigm of royalty and fee payments in the music business has made many of us who were used to fair pay struggle to keep up with the quality our ears had become accustomed to because we can't afford it any more. This s why the home recording boom and clone markets have taken off. An LA2A or EQP-1A at $400-$900 is by nature of interest to those of us who simply can't write a check for the real things anymore. I'd love to hear John's new mic for myself one day. Next time I'm in Nashville I hope to meet with Sinsay, after hearing what he did with John new mic's tweaks, I'm seriously impressed. Martin, please stop this - I don't have the money!   |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 22, 2017 15:58:25 GMT -6
OK, I'll have mercy, I promise.
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Post by indiehouse on Oct 22, 2017 16:19:38 GMT -6
Martin, is that a demo mic? Is there a list I can get on? I'd like to check it out.
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Post by ragan on Oct 22, 2017 16:28:49 GMT -6
Indeed, what's the skinny on this?
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 22, 2017 16:56:14 GMT -6
It isn't Chandler's mic, it's from a local dealer, where I've known the guys for a long time. They're kind enough to indulge me by lending out a mic for a short while. I take extreme care of a mic when trying them, and I report my findings online, but I don't get any free gifts for that. It's because of my personal relationships and proximity I'm lucky enough to try some gear out. It benefits all of us because I sometimes make videos demonstrating the gear. I don't play favorites, just post files comparing and people make their own mind up.
I'd contact Chandler and see if there's one in your area where you could try it. Maybe a local studio has one, or there's an upcoming event. This is also why I tried to say what my experience was, even if it seemed hyped. You guys know me, and my tastes and my music, so you can make your own mind up if it's worth pursuing. I could easily say nothing and no one would benefit, but manufacturers of course hope that people find their product worthy of sharing with their target customers online, that's only normal.
It's actually quite rare that I find recording gear that's so good I have nothing but good things to say about it. So far, after five years, only the Soyuz 0-17 and 0-13 were flawless. I'll try to post something if I get anything recorded worthy of the mic.
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Post by spock on Oct 22, 2017 17:07:42 GMT -6
indiehouse , ragan and all... PM me if interested, I'll try to help arrange a demo for you.
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Post by wiz on Oct 22, 2017 17:37:51 GMT -6
indiehouse , ragan and all... PM me if interested, I'll try to help arrange a demo for you. snowballs chance in hell I guess.. but if there is one in Oz.... 8) cheers Wiz |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 22, 2017 17:38:29 GMT -6
We need transporters like Star Trek !
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Post by spock on Oct 22, 2017 17:40:12 GMT -6
indiehouse , ragan and all... PM me if interested, I'll try to help arrange a demo for you. snowballs chance in hell I guess.. but if there is one in Oz.... 8) cheers Wiz Wiz, there are; click your heels and repeat after me, there's no place like home... |
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 22, 2017 18:19:58 GMT -6
Again, I will sacrifice and keep the mic here for all of you.
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Post by spock on Oct 22, 2017 18:34:45 GMT -6
Again, I will sacrifice and keep the mic here for all of you. yes, and Satan will still love you. |
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Post by sozocaps on Oct 22, 2017 18:39:54 GMT -6
My Cap still ?
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 22, 2017 19:10:30 GMT -6
Yes! John Gaynor brought in some new caps several months back that we put...hell...somewhere. He could tell you more. It’s his brainchild and I really thought it smoothed out the top end. All you guys should buy one, put it in and try it yourself. It’s not an expensive proposition.
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