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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 22, 2017 19:12:15 GMT -6
Again, I will sacrifice and keep the mic here for all of you. yes, and Satan will still love you. No, you misunderstand, Satan...I was suggesting I keep YOUR mic here.
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Post by jampa on Oct 23, 2017 0:18:23 GMT -6
John will sacrifice us for the mic
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Post by jakeharris on Oct 23, 2017 7:09:00 GMT -6
But I stand by my statement it may very well be the best mic ever made. How about it being the 'best mic you've ever tried' instead? Phrased that way, no-one will say a thing. It's a personal experience, and as valid as any other.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 23, 2017 8:17:13 GMT -6
Well, that's definitely true! Maybe it would have been less hyperbolic if I had said it differently, but "may very well" is a qualifier, meaning it may not necessarily be, but could be considered. Here at realgear, there's always a lot of talk about mic nuances, especially from those of us trying to get a mic with no emphasis on "esses", or a capsule that doesn't sound pinched when hit hard. We've examined many pricey mics, listened to files, and some very pricey mics haven't passed the test, and most "affordable" mics with Chinese capsules have fallen short.
In all my readings at gear sites, the U47 and Elam 251 have attained holy grail status, with many high end manufacturers making their best version of them. John's beautiful new mic is one of them. When we think of dream teams in sports, it's fun to imagine your favorite players of all time on one team. In the same way, imagining a mic with the general tone of a U47, and the smooth highs of an ELAM 251 is kind of fun. In reality, that may not necessarily sound better than both, or even as good.
Describing the Chandler REDD is of course, limited in print. It actually sounds like itself, but if I have to use references, it's like a U47 and the 251 had a baby, and it looks good, and sounds right. The U47 and 251 will remain holy grail classic reference mics, but it's certainly good to finally have an option that I think is in the same class as those cherished mics that doesn't cost $15,000, and this one has a bonus, the EMI preamp. That alone makes it unique. If some of us feel it's the best mic ever made, that's just the way we feel, not the last word.
I really just wanted my friends here to know how good this mic is before spending $2,800 -$3,500 on something else.
It's time to move the Chandler discussion back to the REDD thread, and discuss John's lovely 251. Just so I don't seem crazy though, here's a quote from adamjbrass, "I can give you some more "off the hip" reactions to the Chandler mic. It has a huge sound with the gain control into the AD converters, already. But dialed back a little, its mic level, for sure. You can use any preamp you want. But its like there is "double" the character to it when doing so. Which is kinda great. Anyway, I don't think the chandler sounds anything like the Sony, but there is a similar absorptive quality to the transients. The Chandler seems like its more 47 in the bottom end, more 49 in the middle, and more C12/251 on the top. To my ears. But then you have the gain, which compresses voices like a finished sound. Yet, it still retains the top end while doing its thing. The bottom is GIANT on this mic. For crooning and voice work this mic is one of the best new things I have heard.
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Post by category5 on Oct 23, 2017 8:26:00 GMT -6
Sounds superb JK. The mic, and the vocal. Shannon must have you down by now! Plenty of presence, without ever going over the threshold of too much. No need to mess with that chain any further!
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Post by drsax on Oct 23, 2017 12:24:37 GMT -6
ChaseUTB - sorry to hear you're taking a break. I took your comment as cranky too. Actually I thought Johnkenn usage of the word cranky was subtle and easy on you. Personally I would have taken that to heart from the forum admin even if I disagreed. Your post to JMB came off pretty harsh to me. And your response and bringing up his financial situation also not cool IMO. If he chooses to mention that from time to time that's one thing. But for someone to make light of that, well, it's a stab and not very thoughtful. From my standpoint, your input and experience has always and is welcome in this forum, but there's no need to criticize when you disagree. But rather than bail, maybe sometimes it's better to just own something, even if you don't see it. If several others took it that way, it's probably how it came off to most. We've all got opinions and egos. But when our view and passion for gear outshines our respect and treatment of others, then things are probably out of check. I'm sure most of us are guilty of that from time to time. But, of all things on this earth, as much as I LOVE gear, I would suggest that people are by far the most important. Go read Chase's last 20 or so posts. They speak for themselves. I was being very kind with only using the word "cranky." Johnkenn - I agree with you man... my wording was poor. I meant to say "even if you disagree" speaking to Chase. (iPhone autocorrect fail) Chase was way out of line. I'm totally with ya man
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Post by drsax on Oct 23, 2017 12:30:30 GMT -6
Thanks guys. My statements being called bullshit was beyond the pale to me. Anyway, I'll try to do some things with the REDD next week and post if they come out nicely enough to represent it well. Meanwhile, I'd like to hear some more John Kennedy tracks done with that mic. His sound went from excellent to emotionally moving, and that difference is actually huge, and the very thing he's been searching for all this time. It gives me hope I'll eventually find and own my own holy grail mic. Right now, either the Max mod 67, the Soyuz 0-17 or the REDD would do nicely. FWIW, when I read your post about the REDD, my BS meter went off too. You basically said it's one of the best mics ever, but haven't had a chance to track with it. Seems like a lot of hyperbole with minimal experience. I know, for me at least, I need some real time with something before I'll make claims like that. I can understand your perspective. And I wondered before I got to use the REDD how much was all hype. But here's the thing. Once I got the REDD in my own space, and played through it, even before tracking, it was immediately evident that this was something very special. So after having used one, I felt the same way. And after spending time tracking with it, I feel even more that way. I think MJB's reaction was similar. It immediately struck him as something special. And he shared his excitement. With that said, each of us have our own perspective on what is, or what isn't a game changer for us. So what may be a game changer for one of us may be seemingly minor to someone else. For me, I had the same experience as MJB.
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Post by drsax on Oct 23, 2017 12:33:09 GMT -6
Now in regards to the original post from Johnkenn - that Shannon modified Upton sounds incredible. Nothing lacking there to my ear
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Post by sozocaps on Oct 23, 2017 14:02:54 GMT -6
Shannon did a few for me too... I had it side by side with that mic, I though the modded Upton sounded amazing after the shannon mods and my cap but now it sounds even better(didnt think it was possible) but wow the performance and song does it for me. Sounds very great Johnny !!!!
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Post by spindrift on Oct 23, 2017 16:10:00 GMT -6
Sorry I have to disagree with Martin too. The best John's voice has ever sounded (like a lot of guys) is this 1073 and Wunder CM7. "I open doors to places..." doesn't get harsh or pokey in his register as some of his other mics have. Johnkenn what capsule was in the CM7....do you recall? I now have a pair of CM7s with the Neumann K47 capsule and the Thiersch redline M7 (or whatever Mike at Wunder ships them with). Different sounds for sure but good sounds none-the-less.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 23, 2017 19:29:41 GMT -6
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Post by donr on Oct 23, 2017 21:03:53 GMT -6
I don't see how your voice could be presented better John. Sounds high end. Curious, how much gain reduction is there on that track?
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Post by Shannon on Oct 23, 2017 21:33:14 GMT -6
Dam dude when is the world tour start, can i get a autograph , you sound awesome !
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 23, 2017 22:37:48 GMT -6
I agree. I’d like to see a John Kennedy album.
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 23, 2017 23:18:22 GMT -6
I don't see how your voice could be presented better John. Sounds high end. Curious, how much gain reduction is there on that track? Probably too much...I didn't really set anything...I think I noticed it was slightly saturated.
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Post by Vincent R. on Oct 29, 2017 18:10:02 GMT -6
Johnkenn, any reason you chose the Upton as opposed to say the Bock 251 which has a reputation for being a little darker? I mean the mic sounds incredible on you, so whatever you did you made the right choice.
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 29, 2017 22:00:51 GMT -6
A) the Bock is $1500 (retail) more B) Look at the Upton and then look at the Bock C) I knew I could put another capsule in the Upton if I didn’t like it and still be waaaay less than Bock/Telefunken.
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Post by Vincent R. on Oct 29, 2017 22:09:39 GMT -6
Gotcha.
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Post by adamjbrass on Oct 30, 2017 8:03:40 GMT -6
killer sound John! A real nice 251 sound is what I would call "Honest", but also pretty "sexy" too.
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Post by Ward on Oct 31, 2017 5:42:14 GMT -6
John will sacrifice us for the mic The days of Human Sacrifice were glorious times for microphone manufacturers.
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Post by ericn on Oct 31, 2017 7:02:24 GMT -6
John will sacrifice us for the mic The days of Human Sacrifice were glorious times for microphone manufacturers. Even better for those of us who were selling mics!🤑
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Post by Ward on Oct 31, 2017 7:21:18 GMT -6
The days of Human Sacrifice were glorious times for microphone manufacturers. Even better for those of us who were selling mics!🤑 BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH (breathe) HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA (deep breath). HARHARHARHARHARHARHARHARHARHARHARHAHRAHRHARHARHARHAHRHAR
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Post by Guitar on Oct 31, 2017 9:49:50 GMT -6
Wow that acoustic guitar sounds huge too. Great recording and performance.
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Post by thehightenor on Oct 31, 2017 14:06:28 GMT -6
...John, your voice sounds spectacular with that setup. I wouldn’t change a thing. And please don’t ever tune your voice again. That was seriously beautiful. Nice work man! Oh I can't promise that lol. I might tune this for educational purposes...just to see how people react - if it loses something for people or if the quality changes somehow. (Maybe I'll start another thread about it) Personally, I find myself wanting to hear things in tune...I'm a decent singer, but I'm not one of those "that dude/girl was born to do that" people...Some people come in and even their out-of-tune is special (see Adelle.) I know I've experienced singing a vocal, dropping it in to the track...it feeling "demo-ish"...then tuning it and dropping it back in and it completely changes the entire feel of the song - in a good way to me. Like it glues it into a professional product. That happens with my voice and other voices - so I don't think it's insecurity in my voice (we all have that.) Maybe tuning gets a bad rap because people do it badly. My goal is transparency - where you can't tell it has been tuned. Sometimes I get lazy with demos...but most of the time if it's a spot that I can't make sound transparent, I just leave it alone. Now, if I were making a record, I would spend days/weeks on a vocal. I would sing phrases until they were perfect...but all in all, tuning - done well - doesn't bother me. +1 I'm a fairly tight pitch wise .... but I can go in an adjust the odd syllable by +/- 5 or 10 cents and it just makes into into a "record" for me. There's a huge skill to tuning vocals - there's places were you have to leave stuff but I cannot stand slightly sharp of flat syllables and tuning saves my voice. It's my favourite technological advance as it simply saves my voice and can save an otherwise great phrase. Really spot on vocals (the right kind of spot on) makes a record professional for me - loose vocals screams DEMO to me!
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