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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 20, 2017 23:26:22 GMT -6
Shannon just freaking knocked this thing out of the freaking park - at least in my opinion. I’ve love this mic. Thought it was great stock (I had one of the early iterations, so I think Dallas has made adjustments) and thought it was even better when I got Shannon’s cap and a Mullard 6072 in it...but it still felt a little pointy to me...a little nasally. Still the best mic I’ve owned...but I didn’t want to sleep with it under my pillow at night. I had been considering selling it - even put it up a couple places to put feelers out. Shannon wanted to try and tweak again, so I went over tonight and holy shit. Nail on the freaking head. I mean, just fantastic. So I recorded this (Dan B’s vid inspired me)...so here’s one of my super Country tunes...without ahem tuning (I’m determined to start weening off). I would have sang it a few more times, but the point is the mic. This is the Upton 251 with Shannon’s CK12 —> VP28 —> Retro Sta-Level —> Svartbox. No EQ. Cheap old Epiphone with a Soyuz 013 on the neck and 251 up high pointing down towards the bridge. drive.google.com/open?id=0B5N4swnMcKWMNktfSXM0YURzWTQ
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Post by ragan on Oct 20, 2017 23:34:04 GMT -6
Yeah man. I mean, what more could you want out of a mic on your voice? Sound pretty much perfect to me.
Quit lookin!
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Post by ChaseUTB on Oct 21, 2017 2:53:05 GMT -6
What monitors are you using, still the one18?
Man that sounds crazy good. You seem to have put a lot of extra coin into perfecting that mic for your self. I think you have your answer and make sure to treat her good so she doesn’t kick you outta bed 🤠
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Post by jeremygillespie on Oct 21, 2017 7:46:45 GMT -6
...John, your voice sounds spectacular with that setup. I wouldn’t change a thing.
And please don’t ever tune your voice again. That was seriously beautiful. Nice work man!
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Post by rob61 on Oct 21, 2017 8:05:39 GMT -6
Impressive sound with that mic John, although I was a little disappointed that it wasn't a Christmas song.
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Post by indiehouse on Oct 21, 2017 8:16:25 GMT -6
Meh, sounds like crap. You should probably sell that mic (to me) for cheap...
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 21, 2017 8:36:46 GMT -6
Holy $hit John! That thing's money. I got chills and the hair stood up on my arms.
Now listen close gearmiester, it doesn't matter how great another mic is, that sound is "your" sound, and don't change anything now. I have the Chandler REDD for a week, and it is to me, the best sounding mic ever made. It defies your senses that it can actually sound better than a U67 or an Elam 251, yet it does. In comparison, a U67 sounds a little nasal and compressed. But for me, I may just be more compatible with a 67. I haven't really gotten down to tracking with the REDD yet, so it may change my mind. So the take away is at the top level of world class mics, you still have to find the best fit for you, and this one fits you perfectly.
Tell Shannon I said well done!
Can you give us some details on exactly what changes Shannon made?
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 21, 2017 9:18:00 GMT -6
...John, your voice sounds spectacular with that setup. I wouldn’t change a thing. And please don’t ever tune your voice again. That was seriously beautiful. Nice work man! Oh I can't promise that lol. I might tune this for educational purposes...just to see how people react - if it loses something for people or if the quality changes somehow. (Maybe I'll start another thread about it) Personally, I find myself wanting to hear things in tune...I'm a decent singer, but I'm not one of those "that dude/girl was born to do that" people...Some people come in and even their out-of-tune is special (see Adelle.) I know I've experienced singing a vocal, dropping it in to the track...it feeling "demo-ish"...then tuning it and dropping it back in and it completely changes the entire feel of the song - in a good way to me. Like it glues it into a professional product. That happens with my voice and other voices - so I don't think it's insecurity in my voice (we all have that.) Maybe tuning gets a bad rap because people do it badly. My goal is transparency - where you can't tell it has been tuned. Sometimes I get lazy with demos...but most of the time if it's a spot that I can't make sound transparent, I just leave it alone. Now, if I were making a record, I would spend days/weeks on a vocal. I would sing phrases until they were perfect...but all in all, tuning - done well - doesn't bother me.
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 21, 2017 9:19:21 GMT -6
Impressive sound with that mic John, although I was a little disappointed that it wasn't a Christmas song.
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 21, 2017 9:27:51 GMT -6
Holy $hit John! That thing's money. I got chills and the hair stood up on my arms. Now listen close gearmiester, it doesn't matter how great another mic is, that sound is "your" sound, and don't change anything now. I have the Chandler REDD for a week, and it is to me, the best sounding mic ever made. It defies your senses that it can actually sound better than a U67 or an Elam 251, yet it does. In comparison, a U67 sounds a little nasal and compressed. But for me, I may just be more compatible with a 67. I haven't really gotten down to tracking with the REDD yet, so it may change my mind. So the take away is at the top level of world class mics, you still have to find the best fit for you, and this one fits you perfectly. Tell Shannon I said well done! Can you give us some details on exactly what changes Shannon made? Harvey Weistein explanation: That Chandler is the hot girl that I've been having an emotional affair with...But the Upton and I have been to counseling. She lost a little weight and is hotter than she's ever been... I've only had it for 12 hours...so maybe it's honeymoon...but it went from having to futz with multiband compressors and dynamic EQs to point and sing. I'm sure it will be different on everyone, but it seems like a major improvement. As far as what Shannon did, it was just tweaking the existing capsule he had previously put in.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 21, 2017 10:09:57 GMT -6
I totally get that it takes a while before you really know your mic so well that you can make a clear decision on if it’s the right fit. My Blackspade microphones were excellent, but pinched of certain frequency that my voice hits a lot, so I had to let that go. So far, the 67 works for me really well, but I’m going to try the Chandler for a while just to see how it feels after using it for a few tracks and hearing it in context not just solo.
Don’t worry if you’re still curious about the Chandler, it’s uncanny how it can actually sound better than a U47 or an ELAM 251, your senses don’t believe it can actually be true, but it is. Just get one for a couple days and compare it to your microphone. Then you’ll know, because this microphone sound so great.
You can’t go wrong either way. I wouldn’t bet against the Chandler though...
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Post by jakeharris on Oct 21, 2017 10:26:03 GMT -6
I have the Chandler REDD for a week, and it is to me, the best sounding mic ever made. It defies your senses that it can actually sound better than a U67 or an Elam 251, yet it does. Careful with the hyperbole. Unless you're comparing side by side, there's no way you can make these judgements. I tried one of these in Frankfurt, and it was very bright. Ears I trust say it sounds pretty much the same as their Sony, which is very bright too. Smooth, but bright. This won't be the ultimate mic for everyone.
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Post by ericn on Oct 21, 2017 10:48:25 GMT -6
How did I know you would rekindle your romance with the lovely Upton, with the help of Dr Shannon!😎
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Post by swurveman on Oct 21, 2017 11:10:43 GMT -6
Sounds great as usual. I will say this: This clip is the best I've ever heard you sound. Perhaps it's the melody. Perhaps it's just what kind of sound I like. When you have a great voice, it's increments imo when we're talking about mics and a great singer.
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Post by iamasound on Oct 21, 2017 11:27:50 GMT -6
Wow, your voice is as sweet as Tupelo honey using this mic, golden with just a perfect high end smoothness, a glossy viscosity that truely engages my wanting to keep hearing more of the same.
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 21, 2017 12:24:05 GMT -6
I have the Chandler REDD for a week, and it is to me, the best sounding mic ever made. It defies your senses that it can actually sound better than a U67 or an Elam 251, yet it does. Careful with the hyperbole. Unless you're comparing side by side, there's no way you can make these judgements. I tried one of these in Frankfurt, and it was very bright. Ears I trust say it sounds pretty much the same as their Sony, which is very bright too. Smooth, but bright. This won't be the ultimate mic for everyone. There’s a thread on Gearslutz where someone claimed it sounded like their c800. I can absolutely vouch that it sounds nothing like a c800. Nothing. That is bad information. (At least any c800 I’ve heard). To me it sounds very natural not rolled off, and not particularly hyped on the bottom.
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 21, 2017 12:25:12 GMT -6
. Don’t worry if you’re still curious about the Chandler, it’s uncanny how it can actually sound better than a U47 or an ELAM 251, your senses don’t believe it can actually be true, but it is. Just get one for a couple days and compare it to your microphone. Then you’ll know, because this microphone sound so great. You can’t go wrong either way. I wouldn’t bet against the Chandler though... Yeah...there’s not really any such thing as better.
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Post by johneppstein on Oct 21, 2017 12:47:28 GMT -6
...John, your voice sounds spectacular with that setup. I wouldn’t change a thing. And please don’t ever tune your voice again. That was seriously beautiful. Nice work man! Oh I can't promise that lol. I might tune this for educational purposes...just to see how people react - if it loses something for people or if the quality changes somehow. (Maybe I'll start another thread about it) Personally, I find myself wanting to hear things in tune...I'm a decent singer, but I'm not one of those "that dude/girl was born to do that" people...Some people come in and even their out-of-tune is special (see Adelle.) I know I've experienced singing a vocal, dropping it in to the track...it feeling "demo-ish"...then tuning it and dropping it back in and it completely changes the entire feel of the song - in a good way to me. Like it glues it into a professional product. That happens with my voice and other voices - so I don't think it's insecurity in my voice (we all have that.) Maybe tuning gets a bad rap because people do it badly. My goal is transparency - where you can't tell it has been tuned. Sometimes I get lazy with demos...but most of the time if it's a spot that I can't make sound transparent, I just leave it alone. Now, if I were making a record, I would spend days/weeks on a vocal. I would sing phrases until they were perfect...but all in all, tuning - done well - doesn't bother me. John, that is an incredible song and performance - the kind that when you hear it makes you go "Man, I wish I'd written that!" And why in heaven's name would you ever want to "tune" your vocal? There's no way that could do anything but suck a bit of the soul out of it. I happen to be cursed with the ability to hear "tuning" even when it's "transparently" applied and when I do my reaction is invariably that the record is "OK" but it's really too bad they tuned it because it would have been really great if it had just been left alone. Too much "perfection" is not a good thing - it takes some of the humanity out of the music and humanity is something that is sadly lacking in today's popular music of all styles. IMHO current production styles, encouraged by the availability of all the new things made possible by digital processing, has gone way too far in that direction - it contributes to the growing lack of interest and listener engagement with current music. So don't feel insecure about you voice - it's really great just the way it is. Oh, and the mic sounds really good as well!
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 21, 2017 14:16:33 GMT -6
I have the Chandler REDD for a week, and it is to me, the best sounding mic ever made. It defies your senses that it can actually sound better than a U67 or an Elam 251, yet it does. Careful with the hyperbole. Unless you're comparing side by side, there's no way you can make these judgements. I tried one of these in Frankfurt, and it was very bright. Ears I trust say it sounds pretty much the same as their Sony, which is very bright too. Smooth, but bright. This won't be the ultimate mic for everyone. Point taken Jake. I have a very good auditory memory, and I have some tracks I've done with a U47 and U67's to compare to. But of course, if they're n the same room at the same time you can get a better sense of what works. I haven't used the Sony, but I didn't find the REDD bright at all. It does have an extended top, but it handles it like a great C12 does, it's very smooth and creamy. Also, the low end is big, full and strong, it balances it out perfectly.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Oct 21, 2017 14:36:44 GMT -6
I totally get that it takes a while before you really know your mic so well that you can make a clear decision on if it’s the right fit. My Blackspade microphones were excellent, but pinched of certain frequency that my voice hits a lot, so I had to let that go. So far, the 67 works for me really well, but I’m going to try the Chandler for a while just to see how it feels after using it for a few tracks and hearing it in context not just solo. Don’t worry if you’re still curious about the Chandler, it’s uncanny how it can actually sound better than a U47 or an ELAM 251, your senses don’t believe it can actually be true, but it is. Just get one for a couple days and compare it to your microphone. Then you’ll know, because this microphone sound so great. You can’t go wrong either way. I wouldn’t bet against the Chandler though... Why are you posting multiple paragraphs when you should be recording and making music with the REDD mic.. that’s why you have it on loan right? Must be nice to have that opportunity, companies ask me for my credit card number ... Also at $5k one needs to be in good financial standings to purchase this mic as well. Not to pick on you but I see you do this a lot .. How is the REDD the best mic ever? Sounds better than a 47 and 251 ( two different sounding mics ) but more open/ less scooped and nasally than a 67.. You also know it’s the BEST sounding mic ever made and you haven’t even used it yet? Soyuz is going to be pissed at you 😂 Oh yeah, you say you can’t purchase acoustic treatment, did you know they make artsy decorative acoustic panels that look like pictures/ photos/ paintings? This would truly create a difference in Every Single One of your recordings and it doesn’t cost $5k 🤠😎
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 21, 2017 14:39:47 GMT -6
Cranky
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Post by ChaseUTB on Oct 21, 2017 14:59:46 GMT -6
I have the Chandler REDD for a week, and it is to me, the best sounding mic ever made. It defies your senses that it can actually sound better than a U67 or an Elam 251, yet it does. Careful with the hyperbole. Unless you're comparing side by side, there's no way you can make these judgements. I tried one of these in Frankfurt, and it was very bright. Ears I trust say it sounds pretty much the same as their Sony, which is very bright too. Smooth, but bright. This won't be the ultimate mic for everyone. I agree, way over the top and bordering on BS.. I mentioned it to him below when i quoted his post as well. He also states he hasn’t used the REDD mic yet either. Yeah Chandler has a been big on the hype train recently. I am all for customers loving their investments and relating experiences when USING said gear. Chandler, most of their gear, seems to be top of the line, it doesn’t need gimmick phrases like “ sounds better than a 47 and 251 “.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Oct 21, 2017 15:03:19 GMT -6
Careful with the hyperbole. Unless you're comparing side by side, there's no way you can make these judgements. I tried one of these in Frankfurt, and it was very bright. Ears I trust say it sounds pretty much the same as their Sony, which is very bright too. Smooth, but bright. This won't be the ultimate mic for everyone. There’s a thread on Gearslutz where someone claimed it sounded like their c800. I can absolutely vouch that it sounds nothing like a c800. Nothing. That is bad information. (At least any c800 I’ve heard). To me it sounds very natural not rolled off, and not particularly hyped on the bottom. Must be multiple variations then because I know that user and that user has no reason to BS, he wanted to purchase a pair of the REDD mics but found them way too close to his Sony C800’s .. He said he will Be demoing again soon to see if anything has changed.. Paul G from Morcheeba is who I am referring too, and no his word is not gospel, just experiences from using said mics.
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Post by aremos on Oct 21, 2017 15:04:55 GMT -6
Hey John, So basically what it all boils down to is it's an Upton mic with a completely different capsule that Shannon created? Or is it an Upton mic with it's capsule tweaked ... & retweaked - which, I guess, renders it a "different" capsule also? I begin to wonder things like "how would it sound with a Tim Campbell capsule", etc. But at least you've arrived where you wanted to ... At least for now.
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 21, 2017 15:05:48 GMT -6
There’s a thread on Gearslutz where someone claimed it sounded like their c800. I can absolutely vouch that it sounds nothing like a c800. Nothing. That is bad information. (At least any c800 I’ve heard). To me it sounds very natural not rolled off, and not particularly hyped on the bottom. Must be multiple variations then because I know that user and that user has no reason to BS, he wanted to purchase a pair of the REDD mics but found them way too close to his Sony C800’s .. He said he will Be demoing again soon to see if anything has changed.. Paul G from Morcheeba is who I am referring too, and no his word is not gospel, just experiences from using said mics. Well, ok. But I'm directly refuting that claim...so, does that count? I guess everyone should judge for themselves.
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