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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 8, 2016 22:06:56 GMT -6
Am I the only one that was really impressed by the sound of that mic?
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Post by opr on Jun 8, 2016 22:18:14 GMT -6
Congratulations on the mics Dallas! Capsule and bodies look really nice! I see you like the to go point to point on turrets on acrylic too.
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Post by opr on Jun 9, 2016 1:42:44 GMT -6
Enough of the snarcasm already! And as for the profile pic we will easily be distinguished by the absence of snark in my posts.
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Post by hadaja on Jun 9, 2016 9:43:15 GMT -6
Welcome to Opr, there is always room for another Aussie here. Cheers
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 9, 2016 9:46:40 GMT -6
John, you can record Kumbaya with it or am I just being snarky? OPR, people may have a little trouble telling us apart by our profile pics Look - I have zero connection to Dallas Upton. If he gives me a shitty product, I'll let everyone know. The way I figure, if it didn't live up to expectations, I could always buy another capsule that I liked - say a Shannon Rhoades or a Tim Campbell - and still be waaaay under half of a branded reissue or a quarter of a vintage. After hearing that C12 example, I feel pretty damn good about it though.
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Post by jin167 on Jun 9, 2016 9:52:15 GMT -6
Holy Shit! Listen to this. Dallas sent this to me...it's a clip from the C12 they're making. So - same capsule as the 251. The clip is from two years and several revisions ago...but this is really, really impressive if you ask me. That top is pretty damn unbelievable. if this vocal take is unprocessed then I completely agree with you.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 9, 2016 11:56:08 GMT -6
Tim and I have spoken and he has told me that it wasn't his intention to come across overly-critical. So, I apologize that I made that assumption.
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Post by ericn on Jun 9, 2016 12:20:39 GMT -6
Tim and I have spoken and he has told me that it wasn't his intention to come across overly-critical. So, I apologize that I made that assumption. we need a universal sarcasm and humor symbol!
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Post by ericn on Jun 9, 2016 12:29:24 GMT -6
Holy Shit! Listen to this. Dallas sent this to me...it's a clip from the C12 they're making. So - same capsule as the 251. The clip is from two years and several revisions ago...but this is really, really impressive if you ask me. That top is pretty damn unbelievable. That clip sounds great but she ould sound great on a cell phone. The thing is I was just working with a girl and $200 used CAD and it sounded fantastic yesterday ! We live in a time of lots of great mics! Trouble is I can't afford all of them ! Now I want the earth to move when I hear a great mic, I know need to hear it with a voice I know, now Im waiting to hear it with your voice, something I swear I hear in my head after all your twists and turns and accompanying samples!
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 9, 2016 12:34:34 GMT -6
Yeah I hear you. She's a great singer that's for sure...but not really peaking the mic out. Anyway, what gets me excited is the lack of sibilance, but not the lack of top. And also the quality of the midrange. It just sounds really open to me.
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Post by jakeharris on Jun 9, 2016 14:13:59 GMT -6
Look - I have zero connection to Dallas Upton. If he gives me a shitty product, I'll let everyone know. The way I figure, if it didn't live up to expectations, I could always buy another capsule that I liked - say a Shannon Rhoades or a Tim Campbell - and still be waaaay under half of a branded reissue or a quarter of a vintage. After hearing that C12 example, I feel pretty damn good about it though. Tele-USA ELAM's can be had used for around the 6K mark (there's one on GS going for $5'500 OBO)... About that general lack of excitement you were commenting on; a mic this expensive, from an unknown entity, needs to be exceptional... Just looking like a 251 isn't worth $4-$5K on its own. Would love to see much more detailed photo's of the finishing quality to get a feel for where the value is. Pic of the PSU guts wouldn't hurt either.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 9, 2016 15:30:23 GMT -6
There's a certain kind of honk that recording has that reminds me of my mic and of the Neumann M-49. It must be something that comes out in high end mics when many nasty artifacts aren't there.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 9, 2016 15:54:41 GMT -6
There's a certain kind of honk that recording has that reminds me of my mic and of the Neumann M-49. It must be something that comes out in high end mics when many nasty artifacts aren't there. You mean honk in a bad way? When I say honk, I usually mean it in a derogatory manner - like a pronounced 700-2 kHz tone. I didn't hear that at all in that sample. Dallas isn't exactly an unknown in the pro audio arena. He's been producing product for 20 years. But I understand. The proof will be in he pudding. jakeharris - you saw the pics at the bottom of page 3 right? And these are gonna street around $3850 most likely...besides the Wunder glass tube mics, I'm not familiar with many in that price range. Fleas are $4200 and up I thought. Bock is above $4500 ($6 K for the 251). Who else is out there in the high $3s?
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 9, 2016 15:57:00 GMT -6
I will see them and hear them for myself in about two weeks...I'll report back
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Post by wiz on Jun 9, 2016 15:59:49 GMT -6
Tim and I have spoken and he has told me that it wasn't his intention to come across overly-critical. So, I apologize that I made that assumption. we need a universal sarcasm and humor symbol! funny or happy 8) sarcasm 8| unhappy or sad 8( angry >8^< cheers Wiz 8|
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 9, 2016 18:28:31 GMT -6
Thanks for asking John. "Honk" was a bad choice of words. There's a certain sound I hear on the M49 recordings I'm familiar with. Listen to Norah Jone's 1st album, that's an M49. There's a certain attack, maybe I'm referring to fast transients, (somewhere in the midrange I guess), that sounds intimate and forward. I have a love/hate relationship with it. Sometimes it's cool, but sometimes I fancy a wider cardioid pickup sound, the kind a K67 capsule gives.
The previous version of my Blackspade mic, the UM-17B had that sound, much more M49-ish than my new mic, The Blackspade UM-18R, which is more like 3/4 U-47, 1/4 M49 to my ears.
I wonder if the "tap" or attack I'm referring to is present on other mics, but in the case of the C-12 you posted and my mic, they're so clean and highs are so smooth, you notice other things more.
At 1:22, she says, "I", and again a few seconds later, That's the sound I'm talking about.
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Post by ericn on Jun 9, 2016 18:55:12 GMT -6
There's a certain kind of honk that recording has that reminds me of my mic and of the Neumann M-49. It must be something that comes out in high end mics when many nasty artifacts aren't there. You mean honk in a bad way? When I say honk, I usually mean it in a derogatory manner - like a pronounced 700-2 kHz tone. I didn't hear that at all in that sample. Dallas isn't exactly an unknown in the pro audio arena. He's been producing product for 20 years. But I understand. The proof will be in he pudding. jakeharris - you saw the pics at the bottom of page 3 right? And these are gonna street around $3850 most likely...besides the Wunder glass tube mics, I'm not familiar with many in that price range. Fleas are $4200 and up I thought. Bock is above $4500 ($6 K for the 251). Who else is out there in the high $3s? All I can find is Flea 12 without vintage hardware, Pearlman 250 with Tim's capsule and Lawson 251. These are the only ones I can find that are in production that I would use and are Brand spanking new.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 9, 2016 19:10:19 GMT -6
Forgot about the Pearlman and Lawson. There's also the Peluso...but I didn't think it sounded like that previous clip at all when I used it...
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Post by jakeharris on Jun 9, 2016 19:59:20 GMT -6
At 1:22, she says, "I", and again a few seconds later, That's the sound I'm talking about. I dunno, just sounds like performance dynamics to me. Best method is to consciously make an effort to sing whatever you don't like softer. It's like the vocalist in this C12 sample, she's actively controlling her own esses, and as a result sounds amazing. Mic technique goes a really long way. Also, cardioid width is an electrical (capsule voltage) and mechanical (headbasket shape) thing. If you have a multi-pattern mic, change the polar pattern and the width will change. Towards omni makes it wider, towards Fig. 8 makes it narrower. Have you not played around with your settings before?
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Post by ericn on Jun 9, 2016 20:05:52 GMT -6
Forgot about the Pearlman and Lawson. There's also the Peluso...but I didn't think it sounded like that previous clip at all when I used it... I as arrogant as it may sound don't consider Peluso a real clone ! He might get the Freq response right but he just can't get "the feel" or that sense of dimension you get from the real thing !
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 9, 2016 20:39:22 GMT -6
Jake said: "Have you not played around with your settings before?
Thanks for your comments Jake. I have tried moving my settings toward omni. On my power supply I have an infinite number of positions. I want to like it, but it just doesn't feel right to me, I don't know why.
There's something about the K67 capsule pickup pattern that feels right to me. I had it when I used a U-87 and when I used the new Soyuz 0-17. I'll try again soon, maybe it will work in a smaller increment, in case I made a mistake when I tried it.
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Post by Ward on Jun 9, 2016 21:11:41 GMT -6
Martin John Butler she says 'out' the 'i' and pops both a bit with some guttural push. An M7 capsule is often said to 'fold' when you git it a certain way with too much force. I think this might be what is happening here but overall, I can abide it as I love this vocal and its sound so much!!
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Post by tasteliketape on Jun 9, 2016 21:27:16 GMT -6
How come you don't see any m49 clones? Something difficult about the design ? I mean seems like everything else there's an abundant number of choices
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Post by Ward on Jun 9, 2016 21:46:42 GMT -6
Flea makes one.
Rather spectacular too.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 9, 2016 21:56:01 GMT -6
Here's a comparison:
I bet it is Ward, but in this case here, I felt the Flea seemed lifeless next to the M49.
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