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Post by jin167 on May 28, 2016 1:28:04 GMT -6
www.facebook.com/producelikeapro/videos/978558692243067/www.facebook.com/producelikeapro/videos/978558692243067/Shocking... I own a pair of 73jrs and although I think they are fantastic units regardless of what components are used I feel betrayed by the fact they are not using a genuine carnhill xfomers and elma switches like they have advertised on their website... I did a bit of a research on this matter and it seems that they had a bit of an argument with BAE audio over the origin of their input transformer as well. Such a disappointment... I really liked their product until I watched that video. I hope the guys from Heritage Audio has a good explanation for this.
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Post by rowmat on May 28, 2016 2:11:54 GMT -6
I'm sure somebody's lawyers are sharpening their pencils. From the Heritage Audio website www.heritageaudio.net/faqs.phpQUOTE: What components do you use? "We do use Carnhill input and output transformers, and audio inductors as well.The rotary switches we use are Elma Switzerland and Blore Edwards U.K.Our PCBs are manufactured “the old fashioned way”, with no mask and twice the amount of copper as usual, with an expensive silver finish for superior conductivity. Gold plated connectors are used all the way. 90% of all our critical components are made in the U.K." Either Mr Huart will publish a retraction/correction or Heritage Audio will correct their specifications. I have a pair of Heritage Audio 8173's and a pair of 6673's on order which are currently being built by Heritage as we speak. I'm sure somebody will being saying something about this before the week is out.  |
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Post by mrholmes on May 28, 2016 2:23:47 GMT -6
Bought the swedish vintage design dmp 10 years ago it was 850 for one channel if you open the unit it reads carnhill everywhere.
Be careful maybe they use them too.... it should be easy for them to clarify this.
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Post by jin167 on May 28, 2016 3:10:19 GMT -6
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Post by rowmat on May 28, 2016 3:40:15 GMT -6
Although Carnhill purchased St Ives/Marinair there is still some conjecture how close these Carnhill made re-issues are to the originals. I have a few Carnhill VTB9045 transformers which are used in the Seventh Circle Audio N72. These are supposed to be indentical to the transformers used by BAE. I may swap one of these out with the transformer in one of my Heritage 8173's and compare them. Of course the other issue yet to be addressed in Warren Huart's video is the reference to Heritage using Chinese switches worth a "few cents". The switches in my pair of Heritage 8173's look like they would cost more than a "few cents". To be continued I'm sure...   |
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Post by mrholmes on May 28, 2016 5:25:55 GMT -6
Does the dam thing sounds good? If yes I do not see a problem.... |
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Post by jin167 on May 28, 2016 5:47:09 GMT -6
Does the dam thing sounds good? If yes I do not see a problem.... Yes it does matter and it is a huge problem. As I have said I do like the sound of it but part of the reason why I have decided to purchase their product was because I was TOLD that quality components like carnhill xformers and elma switches were used in their product. |
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Post by mrholmes on May 28, 2016 5:55:15 GMT -6
Once again maybe its true and the ones on FB are wrong.
Relax and give them the chance to clarify this.
It should also be asked why a China switch cant be a qualty product.?
BTW the unit is about 800 with EQ?
That spunds like a fair deal to me.... and its the case that it sounds great ....
I would say its a good cost vs. performance ratio.
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Post by jin167 on May 28, 2016 6:09:37 GMT -6
Once again maybe its true and the ones on FB are wrong. Relax and give them the chance to clarify this. It should also be asked why a China switch cant be a qualty product.? BTW the unit is about 800 with EQ? That spunds like a fair deal to me.... and its the case that it sounds great .... I would say its a good cost vs. performance ratio. I'm more than willing to give them the chance to explain themselves but bear in mind that this is not a new issue. BAE thread was made last year in case you haven't noticed. Heritage Audio had more than 6 months to explain themselves but I haven't seen a single thread written by them regarding this issue. And who said that chinese switches can't be a quality product? My point is that it seems they are using chinese switches and non carnhill xformers in their product despite the fact that they are advertising their products to be using carnhill xformers and elma switches. BTW their 500 series preamp module is $899 and their eq module is $999. EQ+Pre is $2200. |
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Post by sozocaps on May 28, 2016 6:23:20 GMT -6
On the transformer deal...
Heritage transformers are way better(closer to Marinair) sounding then the BAE in my opinion, that's why I own them.
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Post by rowmat on May 28, 2016 6:26:05 GMT -6
I get the impression that BAE are feeling some competition from Heritage which are less expensive must be taking some market share away from BAE.
Also Mr Huart is quite a fan of BAE and I do wonder a little whether the was some ulterior motive in bagging the Heritage in the video.
The emphasis on the Heritage apparently being fitted with Chinese switches costing a "few cents" was reiterated more the once.
That itself did ring some alarm bells with me.
If what was claimed in the video is incorrect, if it was me, I would be contacting Mr Huart and asking for a retraction.
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Post by sozocaps on May 28, 2016 6:30:01 GMT -6
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Post by jin167 on May 28, 2016 6:36:40 GMT -6
hmmm... so strange. What does Mr. Huart have to gain from bashing Heritage Audio products? I'm so confused at the moment.. hope all of these are just a big misunderstanding and no ulterior motive is involved as I do respect Mr. Huart and enjoy his youtube channel.
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Post by sozocaps on May 28, 2016 7:48:41 GMT -6
This video also talks about the carnhill ... I dont care I dont like the current carnhill anyway !
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Post by jin167 on May 28, 2016 8:02:24 GMT -6
It's not about whether or not I like a particular brand of xformers or switches. I just feel uneasy about Heritage Audio not being honest about the components they are using in their product.
If they said that they are using chinese switches and non carnhill xformers in the first place then none of these would have mattered to me as I really like the sound of their product.
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Post by sozocaps on May 28, 2016 8:06:26 GMT -6
It's not about whether or not I like a particular brand of xformers or switches. I just feel uneasy about Heritage Audio not being honest about the components they are using in their product. If they said that they are using chinese switches and non carnhill xformers in the first place then none of these would have mattered to me as I really like the sound of their product. Oh they marketed that way? Then I get it ! |
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Post by svart on May 28, 2016 8:10:30 GMT -6
So a competitor is accusing another competitor of having shoddy business practices and/or products? Say it ain't so!
In other news, water is wet.
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Post by jin167 on May 28, 2016 8:18:09 GMT -6
So a competitor is accusing another competitor of having shoddy business practices and/or products? Say it ain't so! In other news, water is wet. But the problem is that it isn't just an accusation. Visible evidence is presented and that's what is so disturbing to me. |
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Post by svart on May 28, 2016 8:28:41 GMT -6
So a competitor is accusing another competitor of having shoddy business practices and/or products? Say it ain't so! In other news, water is wet. But the problem is that it isn't just an accusation. Visible evidence is presented and that's what is so disturbing to me. But you have to ask.. Who presented the evidence...? |
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Post by jin167 on May 28, 2016 8:53:28 GMT -6
But the problem is that it isn't just an accusation. Visible evidence is presented and that's what is so disturbing to me. But you have to ask.. Who presented the evidence...? Oh.. I'm not talking about the video made by BAE. I'm referring to the video made by Warren Huart. He may be a user of BAE gear but he certainly does not work for them and I don't think there's any incentive for him to bash Heritage audio. |
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Post by rowmat on May 28, 2016 9:23:28 GMT -6
Here are the "Chinese" switches apparently use in the Heritage 1073 and only worth a "few cents" according to Mr Huart's video. Blore-Edwards Type PXR Rotary Switch"The Type PXR is a robust and versatile rotary switch. Used in a variety of applications it is particularly suited to high-end audio applications such as the vintage Neve modules..." I don't know about you but the switches in this Heritage 1073 look very much like Blore Edwards Type PXR switches to my eyes.  Blore- Edwards History"Blore Edwards is a UK Manufacturer and distributor of passive electronic components for a number of industries, including Pro-Audio, high-end test and calibration equipment and Mil-spec switches like our Type 72 and 142 (formerly the Painton Multibank)..." From the Heritage website: "The rotary switches we use are Elma Switzerland and Blore Edwards U.K." Looks like unwarranted fear mongering if you ask me. I think a correction is in order. |
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Post by sozocaps on May 28, 2016 9:27:28 GMT -6
Here are the "Chinese" switches apparently use in the Heritage 1073 and only worth a "few cents" according to Mr Huart's video. Blore Edwards Type PXR rotary switches... www.blore-ed.com/#!type-pxr/agp8g "The Type PXR is a robust and versatile rotary switch. Used in a variety of applications it is particularly suited to high-end audio applications such as the vintage Neve modules..." And the history of Blore Edwards... www.blore-ed.com/#!history/f6w7i "Blore Edwards is a UK Manufacturer and distributor of passive electronic components for a number of industries, including Pro-Audio, high-end test and calibration equipment and Mil-spec switches like our Type 72 and 142 (formerly the Painton Multibank)..." From the Heritage website: "The rotary switches we use are Elma Switzerland and Blore Edwards U.K." I think a correction is in order. so if i follow... BAE and the such needs to correct ? |
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Post by rowmat on May 28, 2016 9:30:21 GMT -6
Here are the "Chinese" switches apparently use in the Heritage 1073 and only worth a "few cents" according to Mr Huart's video. Blore Edwards Type PXR rotary switches... www.blore-ed.com/#!type-pxr/agp8g "The Type PXR is a robust and versatile rotary switch. Used in a variety of applications it is particularly suited to high-end audio applications such as the vintage Neve modules..." And the history of Blore Edwards... www.blore-ed.com/#!history/f6w7i "Blore Edwards is a UK Manufacturer and distributor of passive electronic components for a number of industries, including Pro-Audio, high-end test and calibration equipment and Mil-spec switches like our Type 72 and 142 (formerly the Painton Multibank)..." From the Heritage website: "The rotary switches we use are Elma Switzerland and Blore Edwards U.K." I think a correction is in order. so if i follow... BAE and the such needs to correct ? I didn't see that BAE made any claim about the switches used by Heritage Audio but Mr Huart's video certainly did. |
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Post by rowmat on May 28, 2016 9:33:55 GMT -6
hmmm... so strange. What does Mr. Huart have to gain from bashing Heritage Audio products? I'm so confused at the moment.. hope all of these are just a big misunderstanding and no ulterior motive is involved as I do respect Mr. Huart and enjoy his youtube channel. Scroll down to the video. www.baeaudio.com/products/1073 |
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Post by mrholmes on May 28, 2016 9:40:41 GMT -6
Here are the "Chinese" switches apparently use in the Heritage 1073 and only worth a "few cents" according to Mr Huart's video. Blore Edwards Type PXR rotary switches... www.blore-ed.com/#!type-pxr/agp8g "The Type PXR is a robust and versatile rotary switch. Used in a variety of applications it is particularly suited to high-end audio applications such as the vintage Neve modules..." I don't know about you but the switches in this Heritage 1073 look very much like Blore Edwards Type PXR switches to my eyes. And the history of Blore Edwards... www.blore-ed.com/#!history/f6w7i "Blore Edwards is a UK Manufacturer and distributor of passive electronic components for a number of industries, including Pro-Audio, high-end test and calibration equipment and Mil-spec switches like our Type 72 and 142 (formerly the Painton Multibank)..." From the Heritage website: "The rotary switches we use are Elma Switzerland and Blore Edwards U.K." Looks like unwarranted fear mongering if you ask me. I think a correction is in order. Switzerland is not a town in China LOL Its EU and they are famous for super small mechanics aka as watches. They work on the highest standards money can buy.... I see this story going into the opposite direction. Smart move by Heritage to shut up, because you do not need to comment high quality. Best story ever I read on this board... |
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