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Post by rowmat on May 28, 2016 9:43:57 GMT -6
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Post by jin167 on May 28, 2016 9:49:00 GMT -6
hmmm... so strange. What does Mr. Huart have to gain from bashing Heritage Audio products? I'm so confused at the moment.. hope all of these are just a big misunderstanding and no ulterior motive is involved as I do respect Mr. Huart and enjoy his youtube channel. Scroll down to the video. www.baeaudio.com/products/1073Yes, I'm aware that Mr. Huart is a user and a fan of BAE gear but I don't think that's enough of a reason for him to bash another manufacturer. And if you watch the video carefully it's not Mr. Huart who has suggested the use of a non elma switch in Heritage audio module he merely repeated the opinion of Zachary Riley.
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Post by jin167 on May 28, 2016 10:04:12 GMT -6
Here are the "Chinese" switches apparently use in the Heritage 1073 and only worth a "few cents" according to Mr Huart's video. Blore Edwards Type PXR rotary switches... www.blore-ed.com/#!type-pxr/agp8g "The Type PXR is a robust and versatile rotary switch. Used in a variety of applications it is particularly suited to high-end audio applications such as the vintage Neve modules..." I don't know about you but the switches in this Heritage 1073 look very much like Blore Edwards Type PXR switches to my eyes. And the history of Blore Edwards... www.blore-ed.com/#!history/f6w7i "Blore Edwards is a UK Manufacturer and distributor of passive electronic components for a number of industries, including Pro-Audio, high-end test and calibration equipment and Mil-spec switches like our Type 72 and 142 (formerly the Painton Multibank)..." From the Heritage website: "The rotary switches we use are Elma Switzerland and Blore Edwards U.K." Looks like unwarranted fear mongering if you ask me. I think a correction is in order. Good information. I think Mr. Riley spoke without too much knowledge in this matter and Mr. Huart gave him more credit than he deserves. But even then the input transformer issue still hasn't been solved..
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Post by rowmat on May 28, 2016 10:05:17 GMT -6
Yes, I'm aware that Mr. Huart is a user and a fan of BAE gear but I don't think that's enough of a reason for him to bash another manufacturer. And if you watch the video carefully it's not Mr. Huart who has suggested the use of a non elma switch in Heritage audio module he merely repeated the opinion of Zachary Riley. Regardless it appeared on his Facebook page. Also the Heritage does use an Elma switch for the mic/line level. As Blore Edwards switches were also used previously in vintage Neve modules the information provided is not only incorrect but appears slanted to give the impression that both the Heritage and Neve/AMS re-issue are inferior products. The inference being that only the BAE is a true replica of the vintage 1073. I'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt and see if he corrects this misinformation.
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Post by rowmat on May 28, 2016 10:08:46 GMT -6
Here are the "Chinese" switches apparently use in the Heritage 1073 and only worth a "few cents" according to Mr Huart's video. Blore Edwards Type PXR rotary switches... www.blore-ed.com/#!type-pxr/agp8g "The Type PXR is a robust and versatile rotary switch. Used in a variety of applications it is particularly suited to high-end audio applications such as the vintage Neve modules..." I don't know about you but the switches in this Heritage 1073 look very much like Blore Edwards Type PXR switches to my eyes. And the history of Blore Edwards... www.blore-ed.com/#!history/f6w7i "Blore Edwards is a UK Manufacturer and distributor of passive electronic components for a number of industries, including Pro-Audio, high-end test and calibration equipment and Mil-spec switches like our Type 72 and 142 (formerly the Painton Multibank)..." From the Heritage website: "The rotary switches we use are Elma Switzerland and Blore Edwards U.K." Looks like unwarranted fear mongering if you ask me. I think a correction is in order. Good information. I think Mr. Riley spoke without too much knowledge in this matter and Mr. Huart gave him more credit than he deserves. But even then the input transformer issue still hasn't been solved.. According to Heritage Audio it has...
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Post by jin167 on May 28, 2016 10:11:14 GMT -6
Good information. I think Mr. Riley spoke without too much knowledge in this matter and Mr. Huart gave him more credit than he deserves. But even then the input transformer issue still hasn't been solved.. According to Heritage Audio it has... Yes, I've read the HAs response but you've also read the response from Carnhills sales manager..
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Post by sozocaps on May 28, 2016 10:22:53 GMT -6
According to Heritage Audio it has... Yes, I've read the HAs response but you've also read the response from Carnhill sales manager.. So... Carnhill is NOT a Marinair !!! and I like the Heritage (OEP) sound much better then the not exciting, sleepy, low mid full Carnhill IMHO.
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Post by ragan on May 28, 2016 10:24:12 GMT -6
Whole thing is weird. BAE and fans came off looking very bad in that GS thread after the simple revelation that Heritage was getting custom xformers from Carnhill.
Is this the same kind of dust up or is something new being claimed? BAE must be really feeling the heat or something.
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Post by ragan on May 28, 2016 10:25:50 GMT -6
Ah I see. BAE is claiming a semantic dishonesty by Heritage.
Well at least that's more interesting.
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Post by jin167 on May 28, 2016 10:33:43 GMT -6
Yes, I've read the HAs response but you've also read the response from Carnhill sales manager.. So... Carnhill is NOT a Marinair !!! and I like the Heritage (OEP) sound much better then the lifeless, sleepy, low mid bloated Carnhill IMHO. Same here. I have nothing bad to say about the quality or sound of their product. I just want them to clarify this issue once and for all.
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Post by rowmat on May 28, 2016 10:34:52 GMT -6
I have a couple of Carnhill VTB9045's (as fitted to the BAE's) which are supposed to be the reissued version of the original St Ives L 10468 and also an original St Ives L 10468 mic transformer in a Neve 3115 module.
According to the Neve 'purists' the Carnhill is still not an identical match for the original St Ives.
I also have a pair of Neve 33114's about to arrive also fitted with St Ives L 10468's.
A shootout between all three transformers should decide which is best. I'm guessing the St Ives might still take the honours.
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Post by matt on May 28, 2016 11:13:46 GMT -6
In other news, water is wet. Yes, but how pure is it? What's the PH? Mineral content? Is it bottled by wizened monks in a remote monastery somewhere in . . . the Alps? IMO claims to esoterica are over-rated and, as we see here, debatable. But, manufacturers do need to be reasonably truthful, or things can get out-of-hand and the customer almost always loses when product claims turn out to be inaccurate. All I know is that I love my 2264jr, and it sounds great as either a comp (mostly), or a pre. I just watched the video. IMO Warren and the guys at Big Bad veered into territory, perhaps unintentionally, best left to the electrical engineering community. Warren himself made at least two disclaimers about things being said, and seemed a bit uncomfortable at times. The commentary was clearly unscripted, and ill-advised - non-experts talking trash. They attacked the quality of the Heritage and potentially damaged the brand. I bet attorneys are chatting about it now. But, in the end, one person's hot is another person's cold. Don't believe the bullshit.
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Post by sozocaps on May 28, 2016 11:28:35 GMT -6
According to Heritage Audio it has... Yes, I've read the HAs response but you've also read the response from Carnhills sales manager.. Man I'm glad I got some original Heritage modules before the takeover so they dont make them like the current Carnhill... And with this downtalking of OEP who wants to still use those, I would look for a better Marinair substitute transformer that is even better... LOL joke but kinda crazy to downtalk your acquisition....
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Post by ericn on May 28, 2016 11:29:28 GMT -6
I quit watching and careing when they called those lovely switches cheap Chinese switches. As for the Transformers , a New Carnhill isn't an old Marnier even if Carnhill is the defendant of old Mariner. Wonder who Rupert has doing his winding these days?
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Post by Johnkenn on May 28, 2016 12:06:25 GMT -6
I'm sure I'll get trashed for this, but I'm changing the title of this thread before I get sued...
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Post by Johnkenn on May 28, 2016 12:10:03 GMT -6
I've owned several of the Heritage products. Thought they were great. Had a BAE 1073 years ago that I thought was great too. I can see where semantics over this issue could really rub BAE the wrong way. But I'm not sure the controversy doesn't do more harm than good.
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Post by sozocaps on May 28, 2016 12:28:08 GMT -6
I'm sure I'll get trashed for this, but I'm changing the title of this thread before I get sued... Understood ! all are GREAT products .... BAE is just defending, clarifying why they believe in their products. And my ONLY issue with BAE is the incorrect comment on the other products pots. And my ONLY issue with Heritage is the incorrect comment on their transformers. doesn't that make them both equal ? !
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Post by jakeharris on May 28, 2016 12:29:21 GMT -6
I dunno, Heritage seems to be asking for it – www.heritageaudio.net/product-5-1073.phpDirect reference to their competitors in their product copy for SEO, followed by "We are proud to introduce what, to our knowledge, is the most historically accurate reproduction ever made" Don't want someone talking about you, best not to talk about them...
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Post by sozocaps on May 28, 2016 12:32:24 GMT -6
I dunno, Heritage seems to be asking for it – www.heritageaudio.net/product-5-1073.phpDirect reference to their competitors in their product copy for SEO, followed by "We are proud to introduce what, to our knowledge, is the most historically accurate reproduction ever made" Don't want someone talking about you, best not to talk about them... Again... maybe they are talking about sound compared to the original... I would agree with them on this.
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Post by jcoutu1 on May 28, 2016 12:42:57 GMT -6
How about if someone with a Heritage cracks theirs open and we see what is? Let's see the build quality, pots, tranny, etc.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 28, 2016 12:46:25 GMT -6
I dunno, Heritage seems to be asking for it – www.heritageaudio.net/product-5-1073.phpDirect reference to their competitors in their product copy for SEO, followed by "We are proud to introduce what, to our knowledge, is the most historically accurate reproduction ever made" Don't want someone talking about you, best not to talk about them... The argument is with BAE, not AMS-Neve...but I agree...probably best to just not mention the original. I would think BAE would want to stay out of the fray considering their own use of the Marconi knobs and battleship grey frontplate...but considering Neve hasn't protected their copyright - as far as I know - they've lost the right to do it...
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Post by Johnkenn on May 28, 2016 12:52:24 GMT -6
BTW - I'm not going to censor this conversation, but keep in mind that both of these companies have been kind enough to support this site...so, keep it civil, please. I'm not going to allow baseless conjecture.
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Post by sozocaps on May 28, 2016 13:00:34 GMT -6
All good I'm opening up my anniversary right now... Ill post pix in a sec.
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Post by sozocaps on May 28, 2016 13:08:00 GMT -6
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Post by jakeharris on May 28, 2016 13:14:40 GMT -6
The argument is with BAE, not AMS-Neve...but I agree...probably best to just not mention the original. I would think BAE would want to stay out of the fray considering their own use of the Marconi knobs and battleship grey frontplate...but considering Neve hasn't protected their copyright - as far as I know - they've lost the right to do it... Just saying, when Heritage specifically mentions BAE and AMS-Neve in their product copy, they know exactly what they're doing. Never seen any other brand do that...
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