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Post by Johnkenn on May 30, 2016 11:03:58 GMT -6
Oh...is this in response to the video? I honestly didn't even watch it.
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Post by stam on May 30, 2016 12:22:39 GMT -6
Maybe I should not step in as I also build 1073´s and both of these companies are my competitors but I will state a few facts.
Carnhill makes great transformers The fact that you use Carnhill does not get your sound closer to the original 1073 The magic on 1073´s is on the output transformer. Carnhill never made the output transformer.
I am sure all 3 units sound great but using Carnhill as publicity on your favour is not a good move, yes, they do have the datasheets for the input transformers and no, they never made the output ones.
My 0.2
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Post by rowmat on May 30, 2016 12:49:16 GMT -6
The reality of the situation is that these guys all used to make records for a living, and now they dont. So like a lot of people who are out of work in the record industry they have had to become infomercial jocks selling preamps to Dads and weekend warriors. Hence this whole "Produce Like a Pro" series. Six years ago these producers wouldn't have given you the time of day. Now you can hire them for your painful personal vanity projects, cool, but sad. I think you've hit the 'nail' on the head. Selling subscriptions to a bunch of 'how to' video clips seems to have become a new business model for some as the big money formerly dished out by record companies has dried up. 'Mix with the Masters' is especially testament to that. The other money spinner for those with a 'name' is having their initials on a bunch of plugins. What's telling is the amount of formerly big time engineers/mixers/producers who now work out of home studios competing for the relatively few dollars from self financed musicians (likely via credit or crowd funding) while they hope to discover and sign up the next 'Adele'. Everything changed the minute you no longer had to drive to the record story to buy that round flat black piece of vinyl. The music business is a very different place these days. As far as 'nails' go... Q. What do you do when you can no longer make money out of selling nails? A. You sell designer hammers instead.
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Post by Martin John Butler on May 30, 2016 12:58:59 GMT -6
I now little about theses things, but I'd like to know for sure what the truth is. I've always kept the Heritage Audio 1073 i the back of my mind as my eventually final choice preamp for my home recording setup.
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Post by rowmat on May 30, 2016 13:02:30 GMT -6
I now little about theses things, but I'd like to know for sure what the truth is. I've always kept the Heritage Audio 1073 i the back of my mind as my eventually final choice preamp for my home recording setup. I'd go for the HA 1084 (a 1073 with nicer EQ) or the 8173 if you want even more flexible EQ. I just realised you are probably referring to the 500 series.
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Post by rowmat on May 30, 2016 13:34:21 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on May 30, 2016 14:16:55 GMT -6
You lost me at Produce Like A Pro. I'm not watching that.
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Post by rowmat on May 30, 2016 14:21:25 GMT -6
You lost me at Produce Like A Pro. I'm not watching that. The video is the very reason for this thread. If you start at 7:00 there's about two minutes of relevent comments and then they move on.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 30, 2016 14:49:50 GMT -6
I get it man...I have known about this feud for about 2 years.
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Post by swurveman on May 30, 2016 15:48:18 GMT -6
This video made me thing of this quote:
Save the cheap salesman talk, will ya, it's obvious. -Gordon Gekko
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Post by matt on May 30, 2016 17:01:28 GMT -6
I've always kept the Heritage Audio 1073 i the back of my mind as my eventually final choice preamp for my home recording setup. Martin, buy one and don't look back. Or get a 2264jr and have comp and pre - just not at the same time. Oh well, you can't have it all.
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Post by drbill on May 30, 2016 17:05:50 GMT -6
Or - make the optimum choice. Bail on the BAE AND on the Heritage and get the AML. #1 clone with MANY of the people who's opinions I value most.
If you don't HAVE to have a legit "clone", the silver bullet stereo Neve and stereo API and stereo NeveAPI pre's in addition to the other stuff it provides (like KILLER EQ and metering) makes it a no brainer. Lots of choices. All of them good to great.
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Post by wiz on May 30, 2016 17:07:20 GMT -6
I was given advice early in my career.. never talk bad about a competitor
It makes you look small...
cheers
Wiz
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Post by Johnkenn on May 30, 2016 17:45:27 GMT -6
wiz you're 2 for 2 on the "we could end the thread here" posts
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Post by raddistribution on May 30, 2016 18:38:04 GMT -6
The Heritage 1073 80 series uses Elma 04 switch for the gain and expensive UK Blore Edwards switches for the eq. The output transformers are, as you know, made by Carnhill transformers LTD in their St Ives factory. The input transformers are exclusively made for us in their Oxford factory. Whether you want to call them OEP it doesn’t matter, we pay them to Carnhill. What really matters here is they outperform the blue ones in being more accurate to the vintage Marinairs.
Seth Berman Dealer and End User Support Manager RAD Distribution (845)642-3697
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Post by EmRR on May 30, 2016 18:55:52 GMT -6
What matters is the one true big old Neve I used to work on full of 33114 and 33115 got chopped up and sold off to weekend warriors, and I don't expect to ever hear that assemblage of sound again.
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Post by rowmat on May 30, 2016 19:01:39 GMT -6
What matters is the one true big old Neve I used to work on full of 33114 and 33115 got chopped up and sold off to weekend warriors, and I don't expect to ever hear that assemblage of sound again. We have one 3115 and I am literally about to pick up a pair of 33114's from the post office within the hour. The ability of the 3115 to salvage a dull sounding acoustic guitar from the dead without it sounding like you've just 'salvaged a dull sounding acoustic guitar from the dead' still amazes me!
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Post by EmRR on May 30, 2016 19:05:26 GMT -6
Enjoy that slice of the real thing!
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Post by rowmat on May 30, 2016 19:11:08 GMT -6
Enjoy that slice of the real thing! I guess I must be one of those weekend warriors! (Well I do actually work nearly all week) Who knows the pair of 33114's I'm picking up may even have some of your DNA on them? They came from Vintage King in Michigan.
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Post by rowmat on May 30, 2016 19:24:40 GMT -6
The Heritage 1073 80 series uses Elma 04 switch for the gain and expensive UK Blore Edwards switches for the eq. The output transformers are, as you know, made by Carnhill transformers LTD in their St Ives factory. The input transformers are exclusively made for us in their Oxford factory. Whether you want to call them OEP it doesn’t matter, we pay them to Carnhill. What really matters here is they outperform the blue ones in being more accurate to the vintage Marinairs. Seth Berman Dealer and End User Support Manager RAD Distribution (845)642-3697 Good to hear it 'straight from the horses mouth' so to speak. I have a pair of 8173's and a pair of 6673's being built at the moment. I had inspected the workmanship of my 8173's when I got them a year ago and couldn't fault them. Likewise the EQ's switches which are faithful to the original Neve's. I was pretty surprised to see the comments made in the video. I currently have around $15000 invested in Heritage gear and having it potentially devalued by 50% through misinformed comments didn't go down too well. I hope now this is cleared up a correction is made.
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Post by EmRR on May 30, 2016 19:37:17 GMT -6
Enjoy that slice of the real thing! I guess I must be one of those weekend warriors! Hey, I don't own any, as a 'pro' engineer/tech guy. Always out of range for my biz plan, such as it is. But really, my main point is the holistic console sound I experienced is GONE, and I don't expect to hear it again.
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Post by rowmat on May 30, 2016 19:40:04 GMT -6
I guess I must be one of those weekend warriors! Hey, I don't own any, as a 'pro' engineer/tech guy. Always out of range for my biz plan, such as it is. But really, my main point is the holistic console sound I experienced is GONE, and I don't expect to hear it again. As they say... " it's the sum of the parts"
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Post by marcedona on Feb 12, 2022 20:12:11 GMT -6
"Although Carnhill purchased St Ives/Marinair there is still some conjecture how close these Carnhill made re-issues are to the originals. I have a few Carnhill VTB9045 transformers which are used in the Seventh Circle Audio N72. These are supposed to be indentical to the transformers used by BAE." About the transformers, at least Marinair, Carnhill sound the same.
If I remember correctly, the original LO 10468 has the primary halves wound with a slightly different thickness wire, to better balance the impedance of both. But not noticeable in context. The amount of DC running through the primary of output xfmr, condition and type of capacitors used, etc matter much more.
Anyway it seems the transformer already existed, and was used in some other amplifiers, when good old Rupert took it and used it for (maybe) the best preamp ever. He used what was good and available, Marconi knobs, etc. A (rather racist) proverb says it "is the indian, not the arrow". Just test the sound, look and finish of the product, buy wich makes you happier, and let your wonderful music flow.
Love, peace, todo eso.
-I had written something longer but I removed some off topic parts
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Post by ericn on Feb 13, 2022 12:54:04 GMT -6
Right now I think everyone would be happy if they could get any switch.
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