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Post by Johnkenn on May 28, 2016 13:18:16 GMT -6
Oh - actually didn't see BAE in the first read. I'm sure that was intentional to establish that both are copies of the original unit...but yeah, you're right...that's playing with fire.
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Post by sozocaps on May 28, 2016 14:06:36 GMT -6
Oh - actually didn't see BAE in the first read. I'm sure that was intentional to establish that both are copies of the original unit...but yeah, you're right...that's playing with fire. Yea... I don't believe in calling out another company,(at least I don't think I ever do) it's like picking a fight ... LOL
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Post by joseph on May 28, 2016 14:07:49 GMT -6
I'm sure all the preamps sound great and flattering for digital recording, I know the BAE and AMS do, and I have no doubt the heritage does as well. Maybe the BAE is a little darker/fatter than the others, but we all know mic position is more important in terms of balance.
As far as I'm concerned it's the eq that is the real attraction of the neve design, and the BAE is beautiful, I can vouch for that. Also with any judgment comes the variable that the sound of the preamps change when you engage the eq circuit or if it lacks one. I think they sound tighter with eq but not as big.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2016 14:41:59 GMT -6
Two Neve cloners disagreeing over who has got closest to copying someone else's design - what strange days..
A bunch of years ago it was really cool that Brent Averill was meeting the demand for the lack of Vintage Neve modules available so built his own, but since Neve have started back up reissuing their old models it sometimes seems to me a little unnecessary for so many clones being manufactured. There seems now to be so many 1073 variations out there.. I've tried a couple of the cheaper 500 one's at a friends and wasn't really taken with them - i'm sure there are some good ones
But still..
It's probably just me..
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Post by rowmat on May 28, 2016 17:41:30 GMT -6
Also regarding the EQ switches... The Heritage uses UK manufactured Blore-Edwards wafer rotary EQ switches which are the same design as fitted to original vintage Neve modules. The BAE uses Elma Type 01 EQ switches which are a smaller, enclosed style rotary switch that were not fitted to original vintage Neve modules. However both BAE and Heritage use Elma switches for the mic/line switch. While I have no reason to doubt that the Elma EQ switches used by BAE are excellent quality switches it appears somewhat disingenuous to criticise the switches in the Heritage when in fact they are more historically correct than the Elma's used in the BAE. Here are the Blore Edwards switches as used in the Heritage Audio 1073 A "few cents"? Hmmm... doesn't appear so. Blore Edwards 2 pole/5 way rotary wafer switch - $37.70 each Blore Edwards 1 pole/7way rotary wafer switch - $35.76 each And some further info from Blore Edwards FaceBook page... www.facebook.com/BloreEdwardsLtd/photos/a.768648593174822.1073741828.768644859841862/1278668095506200/?type=1&theater
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Post by EmRR on May 28, 2016 18:06:07 GMT -6
Jesus, pair of vulture scavengers fighting over clone products with no future vision. I'm disinclined to buy any of their non-inspired products.
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Post by jeromemason on May 28, 2016 18:09:50 GMT -6
All bullshit..... I've got a GAP 573 with it's eq buddy that I put the I guess Audio Maintenance Carnhills in and it rocks.
These guys are all standing on the shoulders of a giant (Rupert Neve)........ get it together GENTLEMAN.
J
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Post by Johnkenn on May 28, 2016 19:27:11 GMT -6
Anyway, please click through our advertiser's (Heritage and BAE) banner ads!
thanks!
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Post by sam on May 29, 2016 12:41:08 GMT -6
Funny enough, I'm the one who posted that phone screenshot on the FB page! I was thoroughly turned off to anything BAE after watching that video knowing what they were saying were blatant lies. The Chinese switches and the transformer talks seemed like I was watching a commercial for a political campaign. The sad thing is neither company followed through with anything. BAE has yet to really combat the proof Heritage has put forth, and Heritage never responded with that statement "a few days later" as planned.
Either way, BAE has lost any money I would have potentially spent, and Heritage is still in my good books.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 29, 2016 12:44:51 GMT -6
Sounds like a mutually beneficial cease fire.
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Post by rowmat on May 29, 2016 13:20:47 GMT -6
I FaceBook messaged Zachary Riley from Big Bad Sound and sent him a link to this thread.
Apparently they're going to post a video comparing the sonics of the Neve, BAE and Heritage 1073's.
It will be interesting to see if they retract the comments made about the Heritage using "Chinese switches" worth a "few cents".
IMO the video did rather look like a hatchet job on both the Heritage and even the AMS/Neve re-issue and seemed to imply only the BAE was equal to an original vintage Neve 1073.
Also the way Warren Huart would say in one sentence he wasn't a technical expert but seemed to have no trouble in repeating the line the Heritage used Chinese switches worth a "few cents". When he tapped on the Heritage EQ switch with his finger a repeated yet again "A few cents" my alarm bells went off.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 29, 2016 14:02:22 GMT -6
How about we not drag this thread into the argument?
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Post by sozocaps on May 29, 2016 14:04:44 GMT -6
Sounds like a mutually beneficial cease fire.
Yup.... all these companies are very good and we are lucky to have choices. Kinda like 2 scoops of raisins in Kellogg's raisin brand marketing commercials. All taste great !
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Post by thehightenor on May 29, 2016 14:05:43 GMT -6
Here's a picture of the inside of my BAE 1073D .... it does look very similar to the inside of the HA.
They both look like they're using really good components, it's hard for me with my limited experience of electronics to see much difference.
It seems a shame they have fallen out as I'm sure they're both quality manafactueres.
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Post by M57 on May 29, 2016 14:17:35 GMT -6
How about we not drag this thread into the argument? Yeah, it puts John in a tricky spot in between his advertisers and his commitment to honest discussion. There are a lot of previously purple people who were banned on Tos (that other site) for speaking their minds about similar issues, and that's a big part of the reason they're here. It's a delicate situation for John to moderate, and ultimately we all should win if cooler heads prevail.
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Post by rowmat on May 29, 2016 14:21:09 GMT -6
As both BAE and Heritage make excellent replicas of vintage Neve's they are targeting exactly the same customer base.
That's where the problem lies for both of them IMO.
Heritage is the newer kid on the block and will have been taking some sales away from BAE.
The issue is how can you delineate that your product is better than their product when both manufacturers are making almost indentical products?
It comes down to hair splitting and I think that's what occurred in this case.
Both are trying to find something, anything to convince a potential buyer why their version is better when there is very little difference between their equivalent products.
I think whether you own a BAE or a Heritage both will sound pretty damn good and frankly I wouldn't care which.
My reason for going with the Heritage's I own was the attractive deal I got from the Australian distributor.
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Post by sozocaps on May 29, 2016 14:25:33 GMT -6
Wouldn't kick either out of bed so to say ROFL
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Post by tasteliketape on May 29, 2016 14:29:15 GMT -6
Well in the end it all comes down to what works for you . One thing I have learned is YOU HAVE TO TRY IIT FOR YOURSELF I've been in one Nashville studio where the engineer tells my brand x sucks would never use them Next studio there's a rack full of brand x and they made the latest Grammy winning cd on Anyway don't care if they make the stuff out of recycled yak crap if sounds good to me and works for me I'm buying it .....
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Post by Johnkenn on May 29, 2016 14:42:14 GMT -6
Imogene Heap uses a TLM 103 and Avalon 737...
Pick one and go.
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Post by rowmat on May 29, 2016 14:46:35 GMT -6
Well in the end it all comes down to what works for you . One thing I have learned is YOU HAVE TO TRY IIT FOR YOURSELF I've been in one Nashville studio where the engineer tells my brand x sucks would never use them Next studio there's a rack full of brand x and they made the latest Grammy winning cd on Anyway don't care if they make the stuff out of recycled yak crap if sounds good to me and works for me I'm buying it .....
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Post by jdc on May 29, 2016 18:41:26 GMT -6
I'm not going to allow baseless conjecture. !!!!!
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Post by rowmat on May 29, 2016 19:25:30 GMT -6
I'm not going to allow baseless conjecture. !!!!! 42
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Post by ericn on May 29, 2016 20:24:00 GMT -6
I'm not going to allow baseless conjecture. !!!!! It's not a Neve ! I don't see any switches or Transformers.
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Post by rowmat on May 29, 2016 20:51:47 GMT -6
!!!!! It's not a Neve ! I don't see any switches or Transformers. It's all just a matter of degrees.
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Post by yotonic on May 30, 2016 10:10:26 GMT -6
The reality of the situation is that these guys all used to make records for a living, and now they dont. So like a lot of people who are out of work in the record industry they have had to become infomercial jocks selling preamps to Dads and weekend warriors. Hence this whole "Produce Like a Pro" series. Six years ago these producers wouldn't have given you the time of day. Now you can hire them for your painful personal vanity projects, cool, but sad.
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