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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 23, 2016 15:45:29 GMT -6
I'll post experiences...I'm vaguely familiar with it...I've had it for a while, but find myself slowed down, so I always end up back in PT's or Cubase...but it has a ton of features. Anyway, just in case anyone is interested...
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Post by formatcyes on Jan 23, 2016 16:09:47 GMT -6
Make sure you check the latency and make the adjustment manually. Recorded an audio track I use a simple drum loop then then loop it back it and adjust the logic pro x, preferences, audio, move the recording delay around until they line up. Once you get that right you should be golden
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Post by wiz on Jan 23, 2016 16:14:05 GMT -6
Its the same for me, when I have tried/used pro tools... but then it was the same when I switched from Cubase to Sonar, then Sonar to Logic. 8)
What I did last time (Sonar to Logic 9) was payed $1 for a month trial of MacProVideo's tutorials...
I sat down and watched a couple of days worth of videos, with a pen and note pad and just wrote down everything that was applicable.. key commands for stuff I did already..
that helped a bunch.
cheers
Wiz
(I know you can't probably stop work for a few days or week, but maybe see if they have the trial still going, and watch some videos)
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Post by wiz on Jan 23, 2016 16:15:04 GMT -6
Make sure you check the latency and make the adjustment manually. Recorded an audio track I use a simple drum loop then then loop it back it and adjust the logic pro x, preferences, audio, move the recording delay around until they line up. Once you get that right you should be golden or instantiate an I/O plug in on a track, set the in and out the plug in to your Interface in and out you have linked with a patch lead, and hit PING! the readout is the recording delay cheers Wiz
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 23, 2016 16:24:15 GMT -6
Um...huh? Are you talking for external HW latency?
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Post by wiz on Jan 23, 2016 16:26:21 GMT -6
Um...huh? Are you talking for external HW latency? Yes cheers Wiz
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Post by mrholmes on Jan 23, 2016 18:48:26 GMT -6
logic has a ping plug in if you like to use your hardware with it. make sure to use your personal key comands that makes using logic super fast.
check out the synths, special the ES2 is underrated....
it will take time but since logic 10 I think its super easy to learn.
i use logic since version 6.
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Post by formatcyes on Jan 23, 2016 19:54:27 GMT -6
Make sure you check the latency and make the adjustment manually. Recorded an audio track I use a simple drum loop then then loop it back it and adjust the logic pro x, preferences, audio, move the recording delay around until they line up. Once you get that right you should be golden or instantiate an I/O plug in on a track, set the in and out the plug in to your Interface in and out you have linked with a patch lead, and hit PING! the readout is the recording delay cheers Wiz Little slow here wiz how's do I do this step by step? sounds the go if you get the recorded delay. Cheers
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Post by formatcyes on Jan 23, 2016 19:57:00 GMT -6
Um...huh? Are you talking for external HW latency? Yep Logic has no auto HW latency correction you have to set this manually.
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Post by mrholmes on Jan 23, 2016 21:40:09 GMT -6
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Post by popmann on Jan 23, 2016 21:46:00 GMT -6
The Burl is 36 samples more than the RME at 88.2. FWIW. I know because I tested and put a post-it on the front. There actually is a significance in tracking-not just using hardware IO for mixing....though, if admittedly more theoretical than actual "issue causing" like you might have with hardware inserts. I just set the recording offset to 36 samples in Cubase....though, as I think about it, I haven't tested with the Mac and the Tascam USB.....which points out how theoretical it is--not like you're gonna hear 36 samples of "incorrect" placement. But, to the original post point....I did this a while back with Logic9....and simply uninstalled it afterwards. I'm too far gone. Considering my feelings about where Apple is going as a company, there's just no good reason to jump into Logic now. ProTools, Cubendo, and DP will work 99% the same on Windows. On the less mature end, Reaper, StudioOne, Mixbuss---there are just too many cross platform options to invest a lot of time into Logic or Sonar IMO. I mean--if you are already a user of either, there's no reason to switch, but....function inside the DAW is WAY more of a factor than the OS it runs on, IME.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Jan 24, 2016 0:01:00 GMT -6
let me know if you need help. logic is super easy to use!
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Post by RicFoxx on Jan 24, 2016 8:00:30 GMT -6
This is the only reason I don't use Logic as my primary DAW. With the Apollo I feel like the recorded tracks are not played as recorded (timing wise.) This does not happen in PT! Otherwise I would just use Logic all the time. I monitor through the UA console...do I need to enter a global offset???
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 24, 2016 8:27:49 GMT -6
John, don't forget to record with Low Latency activated, that solves a lot of problems. Once you get past the fundamentals, I think you'll enjoy Logic. Their plug-ins are so easy to work with. I use the channel EQ and Analyzer on every track, and their compressors, especially the 2nd and 4th ones work as good as any plug I've tried. The 2nd is the Focusrite, the 4th is a DBX 160 I think.
I'm only at a mid-level with Logic, there's so much there, you tend to learn what you need. Automation's quick and easy too.
I'm not so comfortable with the way the Drummer works, though I'm sure there are some who can make it sing, but using Superior Drummers loops, I can copy midi to a new track, and use any of the dozens of drum kits Logic comes with. That's worth the price of entry alone.
Try to be patient, the learning curve is frustrating, I know.
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Post by mjheck on Jan 24, 2016 8:49:50 GMT -6
This is the only reason I don't use Logic as my primary DAW. With the Apollo I feel like the recorded tracks are not played as recorded (timing wise.) This does not happen in PT! Otherwise I would just use Logic all the time. I monitor through the UA console...do I need to enter a global offset??? Hey Rick, This is interesting, as I found my Apollos have removed all latency concerns/issues from my workflow. I no longer have to use Logic's low latency mode at all when recording live instruments. I did have to take care in two specific areas - one, was to make sure there were no plug ins that always induce latency in my document (Adaptive Limiter and the Linear Phase EQ are two that always have latency). The other involved auxes, busses and routing. I find that during recording, I want all active inputs to go to "output 1-2" rather than to the various busses I have set up in my template (I route them at the mix stage now). I believe this has something to do with a drop down menu in Logic's preferences that allows you to chose whether or not it has delay compensation set to "none", "all" or something like "instrument and software tracks." Its been a while since I thoroughly read the manual (and the last time they had physical manuals was Logic 8) but if I recall correctly, it stated that is you are using low latency mode when recording, you do NOT want it set to "All" as the busses do shift things a bit. It may have changed over time of course, but I wanted to chime in as I simply have no issues with latency anymore (unless I screw up, which sometimes happens when I go back and record a track after I've already moved into the mixing stages). When I do external routing for mixing, I do have to use the ping button on the I/O plug just as every one says, but my impression was John was discussing tracking in Logic. MJH
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Jan 24, 2016 8:55:35 GMT -6
my experience with Logic is that if I use any UAD plugins while recording, whatever I record will not be lined up to where I originally played it. So, the solution is to bypass all UAD plugins. if you look in the UAD meter and control app, it'll tell you how many MS of latency UAD plugins are adding.
What happens while recording is that the playhead is at bar 2 or wherever, and X ms later the sound actually comes out of the headphones due to the latency UAD and other plugins add.
I don't or haven't noticed if other plugins add latency like that. all of the plugins that come with it don't, and neither do the ones I use to substitute for UAD reverbs, such as EWQL Spaces and MH ChannelStrip
Also, turn on Low-Latency-Mode while recording to fix most issues.
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Post by Ward on Jan 24, 2016 9:44:53 GMT -6
I was with logic from Version 2 to 5. I have been tempted to go back to it, as an alternative but not replacement to Pro Tools. Considering that Avid seems filled with professional tools these days, I might more strongly consider returning.
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Post by tonycamphd on Jan 24, 2016 10:16:01 GMT -6
I find it appalling that all daws don't completely ping/align themselves upon any instance of internal/external plugin/insert, the fact that they don't is astonishingly short sighted to me, and is a major reason why i think DAWS are the devil, every time you get on a creative roll, some inexplicable bullshit happens that drags you out of your happy place, and into a dark, creativity killing, technical glitchfest of despair and ever foreboding doom haha.
I heard this guys holds the patent on ADC for all daws
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Post by henge on Jan 24, 2016 10:25:42 GMT -6
Good luck Johnkenn. It's a huge step to learn and use new DAW. Looks like you'll get a ton of great advice here though. You'll probably love being PT free !!lol
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 24, 2016 10:50:54 GMT -6
Good luck Johnkenn. It's a huge step to learn and use new DAW. Looks like you'll get a ton of great advice here though. You'll probably love being PT free !!lol I'm not totally unfamiliar with Logic...I've used it enough to know how to get around...and I've actually been using Cubase for a while now.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 24, 2016 11:22:45 GMT -6
If you are tracking through your apollo with ua plugs, they should be in its console and you shouldn't have latency issues. UA has a logic set up video.
I am just doing my first project in Logic too.
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Post by henge on Jan 24, 2016 11:43:56 GMT -6
Good luck Johnkenn . It's a huge step to learn and use new DAW. Looks like you'll get a ton of great advice here though. You'll probably love being PT free !!lol I'm not totally unfamiliar with Logic...I've used it enough to know how to get around...and I've actually been using Cubase for a while now. Ah my bad!
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 24, 2016 12:12:15 GMT -6
I don't have latency issues when recording with my Apollo. I don't really track with plugs anymore, except an occasional touch of LA2A. I do use UAD's reverb in my cans when tracking though I don't print.
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Post by M57 on Jan 24, 2016 12:46:52 GMT -6
I'm probably doing something wrong, but in Low Latency mode, I'm unable to send to a headphone buss (the sends are greyed out when record is armed - and it doesn't seem to matter if I have 'allow input monitoring' selected or not). I don't know why, but I also always have level problems in LL-mode. I always have to put a gain plug on the track. - but I have no latency problems because once ITB, I stay ITB.
MJB, I hear you about drummer - I'm having a love/hate relationship with it. I think it's really good for down and dirty tracking - with fills mostly in the right places and the kick and snare following reasonably, and some basic tweaking by moving regions and playing around with the matrix goes a bit further, but beyond that further progress is painstaking and to get it any closer without pulling my hair out (and I have VERY little hair) is to render to a midi track and edit away - but then at that point, I'm usually ready to bring in a real drummer.
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Post by RicFoxx on Jan 24, 2016 13:36:35 GMT -6
I monitor using console not software monitoring in logic while tracking which provides very low latency tracking with console but audio playback is not in time with what I tracked (barely out but out nonetheless.) Kcatthedog I've had Apollos for a couple of years and watch those setup videos many times
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